Stingray

You did confirm he is more than mere 'average', no? Plus, as I said before - he is a different player than Messi or Ronaldo. so I do not see the problem. Stats are a dangerous thing sometimes (Wikipedia because im an old fart): 1. Ronaldo did that when indeed 22 (23 in that season since february so older then Hazard) in his 4th season at Manu. since that changes a LOT - judgement has to be suspended. 2. Messi : at the age of Hazard (21 when arriving here if I am not mistaken) 16 goals and 13 assists in 40 games. Hmmmm Hazards year when 21 was not so bad as well :-). It is only the year after Messi exploded as your numbers point out. By then, however, it was his fifth season at Barca. Judgement has to be suspended although Messi's stats from that point on are stellar!! 3. Mata : 9 goals in 43 appearances at 21 - 4th year at Valencia. So .... Can anyone say Hazard is not going to get to that qualitative heights? There is no data to suggest that, let alone it is an easy conclusion to come by. Does my posts imply Hazard is Messi/Ronaldo or meant to be of such quality in the near fututre: no as well. What the data does suggest (when you take at the right - comparable - variables) is that he is a very, very talented one and a very good finisher for one in his position. What i also wanted to point out is that jumping the bandwagon about him being an average finisher is NOT supported by data.

Lets take this to the pub then my friend.

sorry but then I will nominate Kojo man! Edit: Ow and Santiago for most dramatic exit

sold! I will pay you in Duvel.

I give up ....

Also public apologies from my part, tribe members!

So sarcasm only goes from you to me and not the other way around? See how easy it is ? Thats why it is wrong. Quod erat demonstrandum.

Wrong copy pasta: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder This being my point. And I am out! Bye bye.

Histrionic personality disorder Look it up.

I already did that remember .... you were going to get back to me but never did.

Stop it Leif. Really. You were dissing people that went to school actually in that thread. Don't feel so threatened by me.

I do know. You just feel defensive because I pointed out facts about the dangers of stigmatising others. Enough said. I know what kind of people cannot take feedback - so I don't feel attacked actually by you. Live long and prosper.

You talked about dropping out of school and bragged about it in the pub dude. don't make me quote it. So no I am not an asshole on that matter. If you feel touchy about that, maybe there is some frustration on the subject you are not ready to admit to?

Fair enough. Is it amplified emotions doing the sarcastic slating of me as well? I can give you some anger management if you like :-)

If there is a reason I am not there it is because I have a business to attend to and cannot cancel my contracts in that short notice. I also have a family and wife that has a full time job. So, yes you are a bit of an A*hole to 'sarcastically' say that, Leif.

Dude. You miss the entire point. I was talking about the NEED to slate members that are not your 'tribe'. That is ingroup/outgroup psychology. That is what is dangerous and short sighted. My argument was all about the fact that there is no need to glorify that. Ffs, you could just as easily make a case for racism - which in fact you did a bit if you are consistent in your argument there. sigh.

What are you, 12?

You did Leif. Rhis is why I reacted, also because you slated Backstreet, which I found a little unneeded. Thats all. Don't spindoctor out of it now.

A conversation would be an overstatement for the exchange of sounds such an encounter would produce. I will happily decline the invitation.

If you like cheap shots .... think twice.

Sigh. you have no idea how uneducated that sounds do you? I feel a little sorry for you now. You should have gone to school longer. Go watch The Experiment - the wave and look up the Harvard Prisoners experiment. Then go watch youtube videos of the Getto of Warchau and see the footage of concentration camps being liberated. Then realize what an unauthentic group creature you can be/are when you say shit like that. It is dangerous, Lif - not something to be proud of - also not those moronic gang bangers you refer to (I saw a gang shooting once - you would pee your pants dude. Nothing, NOTHING honorable or wise about it). So , don't glorify it in footie as such. especially don't hate others that can love a beautiful goal, even scored by an opponent.

Personally I don't think thats true. But I guess a good old hostile tribal mentality is a necessity to be 'tha real deal' for chelsea, Leif? In the 1930's there was another group really good at that sort of ingroup outgroup stigmatisms. Check it out sometimes.

I know mate. It wasn't a jab at anyone - especially not you. I know we are all delighted with him I just don't agree with some of the claims on here. thats all amigo. I see his finishing as really good actually, as I do his composure. What he lacks to be truly consistent is age - and not some other attribute. That was the point of my whole post. Somehow people confuse inconsistency caused by age with a lack of attributes. I do not get that nor do I agree. Thats all.

No! They are saying he is an average finisher. I have all the facts highlighted above. Check again. I hate groupthink.