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One is better offensively while the other is better defensively. Can we find a way to merge them both?

Fuck Bayern! We are not here to be helping other big clubs with their squad depth!

https://theathletic.com/2112592/2020/10/04/chelsea-callum-hudson-odoi-bayern-munich/?source=user_shared_article According to the latest from The Athletic, Bayern are planning another offer for CHO but the club are expected to turn it down no matter what. Lampard and the club don't want to let him go and there are no suggestions that CHO will force the move.

Even then, let's not pretend like there weren't circumstances - such as his management style - that led to people questioning Sarri during his time here. And for the record, no one is crazy enough to suggest that Lampard should be sacked right now (something that some fans seem to think so every time there is something negative - even the slightest negative word - said about Lampard) but at the same time, let's not pretend everything has been or is rosy. No one associated to Chelsea wants to see him fail at the job and if he can improve us, get us to where we want to be, then great, all the better. As I said before, all the talking is one thing but ultimately, it'll come down to what Lampard does with the team on the pitch. It'll come down to team progression and results. If those don't happen, then we know how this will all end up.

In theory, that may happen but we won't know for sure until we play more teams/games. Not every team is gonna be as obliging as Hodgson's Palace - sitting back with two banks of four and not bothered to press aggressively etc. And we saw what happened at Spurs in midweek. In the first half, Spurs just sat off us, defended deep and Jorginho and Kovacic looked comfortable and we controlled the game but in the second half, when they started to be more aggressive and press higher up the field, those two struggled.

Really, Tomo? Are you gonna pretend like circumstances (e.g. Juventus came calling) didn't lead to Sarri wanting to leave? And given what subsequently happened with Sarri at Juventus, are you gonna say we made the wrong decision to let him leave for Juventus?

Careful mate. We're not allowed to say anything negative about Lampard...

But how many teams will give him all the space and time? How many games will he get that freedom? Generally, anyone can shine if you give them the time and space.

Yup, saw him mention this earlier. Fucking tapping up player in the public. Fucking classless!

Okay but he has hardly been mentioned at all by the media. And I doubt Gladbach will let him go at this point.

People keep on mentioning Zakaria and I don't think we have even been linked with him at all.

Firstly, I do not know why you and maybe even some others are so sensitive to any negative thing said against Lampard that you must respond immediately. Why? Is it a crime? Secondly, I wasn't even criticizing Lampard. I was merely disagreeing with the points Simon Johnson used in his piece and given he used the Klopp-Liverpool and Guardiola-Man City comparison as opposed to say what you mentioned - Klopp-Dortmund and Guardiola-Barcelona - was I wrong in stating the facts above? And given the kind of reputation The Athletic have built and the access that their journalists have, I was expecting more from them than putting out arguments that can be found elsewhere on the internet.

But we should be firm and decide what we want to do. Either we want to keep him and just turn down whatever the offer is from Bayern or we don't want to keep him and are looking to negotiate. Right now, it feels like we're caught between two minds.

It's one thing having to wait because of a transfer ban and then 6 months but it's another to wait potentially 12 months to solve a problematic issue in the team.

I don't get what's the play here, from both the club and CHO himself. The club went through all the trouble last year to keep CHO and offer him a new contract but they are now just going to let him go? And it seems like CHO isn't keen to leave at all but what makes him think that he will get more game time at Bayern than here? Is he going to be ahead of Sane, Coman and Gnabry? Is he going to feel valued as much as there as he does here at the club? This drama feels so unnecessary after what has been a good transfer window for us.

No one said we shouldn't.

Dortmund were in financial trouble back then and had to be built back up. They weren't at the level that they are now. So they could obviously take a punt on a relatively unknown Klopp back then. For Guardiola-Barcelona, I don't necessarily disagree with you but it definitely helps when he had the best player in the world. And just because it worked for him, it doesn't mean it'll work with others. In any case, that isn't the comparison argument used by The Athletic, is it? I simply disagree with what they said.

This is a very lazy piece of journalism TBH, especially coming from The Athletic. The comparison argument feels like one straight out of a fan forum. Yes, Klopp and Guardiola were given time to build their team at Liverpool and Man City respectively but the one key difference between them and Lampard is that they already had a track record of success before they joined their current club. So Liverpool and Man City knew that while things may not go according to plan to begin with, they knew they will actually turn out to be alright. They knew what they were getting from Klopp and Guardiola. But what track record does Lampard have as a manager before joining us? Only 1 year of managerial experience in the Championship. That's it. We don't have much to fall back on apart from what Lampard is doing right now at the club. We can only judge him based on what we have seen over the last 13-14 months and one can hardly be blamed for questioning him (and no, don't confuse this with asking Lampard to be sacked). A better way to go about arguing whether Lampard will be given time (by Roman) would be to analyze what he has done right, what he has done wrong and what he needs to do to ensure we as a club progress and achieve the objectives we want to achieve. Heck, it might even be good to get some inside info! All the talking is one thing but ultimately, it's all about progression and getting results.

WHAT THE F IS GOING ON!?

It's very on brand though.

I know it's an option to buy but it's 70 million...

Cavani linked with Man United all of a sudden...

A reminder that one person's trash can be another person's treasure.