Blue Armour

I see where you're coming from, but at the end of the day, the punishment has to fit the crime. Failing to report finances correctly for FFP, is different from actually falling foul of FFP by a huge margin for a season (for which Everton was, admittedly, a bit unfortunate to fall of in the 21/22 season). In Chelsea's case, there were the reporting irregularities which the current owners self-reported (and got fined by UEFA for and is currently being investigated by the FA/PL), and now recently, the alleged irregularities reported by the Guardian's investigative journalists. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/15/Chelsea-fc-face-new-questions-over-how-roman-abramovich-funded-success Let's assume for argument's sake, that these unproven payments were actually made. How would these be directly linked to Chelsea and it's success? We can review each of the two major ones reported by the Guardian individually, and see there's nothing clear about what the implications are for any of these 'new' allegations: 1. Conte's 2nd season contract extension (AFTER he won a title for us) - "On 18 July 2017, the files show, an Abramovich-owned company called Conibair Holdings, based in the British Virgin Islands (BVIs), signed an agreement with Federico Pastorello, an Italian football agent. The Italian has been described in multiple reports as being close to Antonio Conte, the former Chelsea manager, and has spoken about the manager’s contract negotiations in the media. Conibair agreed to pay Pastorello £10m for a 75% stake in Excellence Investment Fund (EIF), a business based in the US state of Delaware, documents suggest. That same day, Chelsea announced that Conte, who had just guided the club to the Premier League title, had signed a new £9.6m-a-year contract." Pastorello declined to comment on whether the two deals were linked but said: “Antonio Conte is not our client. " Questions to ask here - Is it so easy to prove that the deal with Pastorello has anything to do with Conte, when he himself states Conte is not a client? How does a deal with Pastorello even incentivize Conte to sign an extension (and also a shitty second season to follow, with just one token FA cup). Does that fee, even if proven true to be linked with Conte's extension, necessarily make the club fall foul of FFP? 2. Hazard's agent fee when he first signed for us - "Hazard had joined Chelsea in 2012 for €35m, in a marquee signing that followed fraught negotiations with the player’s agent, John Bico-Penaque, who reportedly wanted a sizeable commission worth about £6m. On 29 March 2013, documents suggest, BVI-based Leiston Holdings, owned by Abramovich, agreed to pay €7m to a Dubai-based company called Gulf Value FZE for “advisory services […] related to […] sport research and consultancy”. The contract was signed on the company’s behalf by Bico-Penaque. It is unclear whether the payment was declared to footballing authorities including the FA and Bico-Penaque did not return requests for comment." This one is a bit hilarious because a bunch of internet Gooners are claiming that Hazard would have joined them if it were not for the agent fees. But the two things to note here - There is no proof whether the payment was already declared for FFP. And even if it wasn't, does that €7m fee actually make Chelsea fall foul of FFP? Hazard was bought for fee less than Torres. Saying that the club failed to report an agent fee and went on to win several titles on the back of Hazard as a result, is as ridiculous as it sounds. I'm not even going to go into the Eto'o & Willian transfer related allegations because it just isn't frankly worth the time. At the end of the day, I will agree with you that I am more worried about Chelsea's recent spending, than the alleged past transgressions. The club could end up in deep trouble like Everton, if all the crazy spending in recent windows is not matched by success on the pitch, and financial success. All it takes is another international level crisis, or a high money signing with a gambling problem for the wheels to come off.

All speculation at this point. Also the club hasn't officially been charged with anything. At this point. The FA regulations for FFP are also believed to be less severe than UEFA's.

This article is a good read: https://www.football.london/Chelsea-fc/news/Chelsea-points-deduction-relegation-truth-28132310 Explains why it's ridiculous to throw Chelsea into the same hat as Everton and City for now, because the club hasn't officially been charged with anything. The fear mongering can wait until something truly materializes.

UEFA has already fined the club 10 million for inadequate financial reporting, after the new owners self-admitted, and have left it at that. I'd be surprised if the PL/FA response is drastically different.

As per the article, UEFA already fined Chelsea 10 million for it in July, and left it at that. You can try and guess what the FA and PL response might be.

Also, probably reading into it too much, but it looked like Kovacic quietly celebrated Palmers penalty goal, if you look at the highlights.😄

Yeah they did. Thankfully Chelsea fans educated them by singing "We've won it all..."

Lol.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12722913/James-Maddison-snaps-John-Terry-former-Chelsea-captain-mocked-Tottenham-loss-Blues.html JT trolling Spurs again.

I think we would have continued to get chances, because of their high line. But, with our wastefulness in front of goal Spurs probably would have edged it in the final result.

Yeah, we need a reliable goal scorer. Nkunku can't return fast enough. Maybe he can grow into a better striker as he matures. I still like him as a player, especially with his contributions to build up play., but we need a lot more from a starting 11 striker.

I like to cling on to this fairy tale of Kylian Mbappe realizing his childhood dream of playing for Chelsea. Maybe a fat chance, but the fat lady hasn't sung yet. Florent Malouda still thinks it's possible, lol. Could become a battle of the blues in the Premier League. Mbappe in one corner, Haaland in the other.

Could even go false 9, like against Arsenal. It confused the heck out of the Arsenal CBs because they didn't know who to mark. I don't like false 9 formations, but if your strikers are coming up with duds, then why not.

Wow. Every single post of yours is just negative. You really just come on here to rant (or troll) don't you.

Massive attitude problems and seemingly no end product. Would be typical if we went in for him.

Agreed. Essien is more skillful on the ball than both Kante and Makelele. Even a decent aerial threat. Also a great passer of the ball, long and short. Also had great shooting range. Even played RB for us in the Champions league final in 2008. I would in fact take prime Essien over Makelele & Kante.

Ramires could score double figures in a season.

And revert to the usual setup he did. Don't know why he prefers to stick with only 1 flying fullback. Gusto and Cucurella had Arsenal pegged back for large periods last week, but for Brentford he wanted to go for more defensive solidity. Why do this against Brentford at home? And why use Disasi for this? Guy has been directly/indirectly responsible for at least 3 goals conceded this season. Was Gusto dropped because he failed to stop Trossard for Arsenal’s equalizer? If any one should be dropped after that game, it should've been Sanchez.

I don't think last week was a blip though. We were in winning form coming into the game. Momentum killed after a silly mistake. The problem is that this squad is ripe for making mistakes. There are talented players in here, but also quite a few weak links that can drag down the team.

We should stop affording players like Disasi and Sanchez more chances. They are 25+, and should be nearly there if not already. Maybe someday we will get a French coach and Disasi will undergo a Rudiger like transformation, but why that's just wishful thinking

We nearly beat Arsenal last week. (Sounds like a Spurs DVD title) Fast forward to next week, they are cruising and we are back in the mud. Repeat of what happened against Liverpool at the Bridge. We were the better side. We draw, they go on to put together a winning run. We fall flat.

All our attackers are struggling, yet one of Arsenal’s 'bang average' strikers gets a hat-trick.

The next PL game is on a Monday. Another Monday game in just...2 months? 3 non-weekend games from the first 10, and one game moved to Christmas eve. They just love Chelsea.

Disasi ball watching for the first goal. The 2nd one was just comical. Ideally Sanchez would have slide tackled the attacker and got himself sent off.

Didn't watch the game - but why was Gusto dropped for Disasi? And both Gusto & James on the bench?