The difference between Torres, Ivanovic and Ramires is that the last two actually proved that they are important for Chelsea. People are patient with the players who deserve patience. I've personally been patient with Torres for almost two years, but I'm done. I know that Ramires and Ivanovic are great players and I hope they will be back at their best soon, but I can't say the same thing about Fernando. Not anymore. Enough it's enough. P.S: Tell me one single game since Torres is here when everyone was poor, but Fernando was great. P.P.S: I forgot to mention that Ivanovic and Ramires are forced to play as RB and RM. Ivanovic is clearly a CB, and Ramires is a CM.