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This is reasonable thinking, however in my simple man's mind you need to buy cheap and sell for big money for it to work. If we are buying mediocre talents for thrice their worth to start with and still need to write off those who will fail (and it might be some and might be most of them) I understand the owners bet on average footballer's price doubling or tripling in next 3-5 years for the numbers to add up. Plus if we will somehow manage to create a superstar, shouldn't the club of our format just… well, keep him? I guess the flipping model comes mainly to selling mid-to-low tier players to mid-to-low table clubs, so the max selling price is limited too. Or we are openly going to become midtable feeder club, who knows. In terms of wages, well, I do not endorse the buy-to-win model of PSG or City, but pretty much the only way we could compete with oil money clubs without going full plastic was ability to make things happen if needed to, like a little cheeky joker card. If we are limiting ourselves to mediocre players (or worse, as I can't really see any player who came here under Clearlake who'd I call smart business or a steal, at least on Marina's level) by principle, it's a highway to become Arsenal or United type of club, stuck in B-tier and unable to jump forward, so pretty much what we were left with after CL win. I take Pool out of this equation as it was a freaky product of smart management, process, talent, mentality and luck and I don't believe it's possible to replicate in our circumstances.

Let me rephrase this - the new wage structure, actively hurting our potential due to it being overconservative and bightonizing us even further, was put in place due to owners carelessness to put it lightly, as they were personally deciding to hand out way too high contracts to players who were not worth it and it was visible to anyone remotely watching football from time to time. I think our new owners trying to save the club from themselves is a generally sound idea, but the execution should be prioritized elsewhere. By the way, I find the club trying to cap the wages at midtable level and, at the same time, burning tens of millions buying some random, overpaid players with doubtful potential absolutely ridiculous mode of operation. What is even the point? (even from cynical, business-only standpoint)

Perfect, get the front shirt sponsor for 6 years and then immediately proceed to spend quadruple of this income for random 17yo player who will surprisingly prove League 2 level at best.

Predictable effect of losing any mentality criteria when buying players. I don't know what those guys have in their heads, can't understand why would one say this kind of shit in private, much less livestream it to whole freaking world.

It's not much about skill, more about character. Sort of Cahill type player. Gallagher is hard working, modest and dedicated player who graduated our academy. If we don't need this kind of player, who do we need? I'd much more prefer seeing our academy in first team for better or worse (until they go haywire a'la Mount), than flipping our youth for profit and replacing them with meh youngsters from all over exotic corners of the world. As @Vesper pointed out, we wouldn't need profit from selling HG players, if only our owners wouldn't toss truckloads of money on players you don't need much footballing knowledge to see were worth maybe 1/3 of their price. Don't throw cash into shitter, you won't deseperately need to generate it from selling out our identity.

Yet people still raged about Tuchel's endless crosses into box and losing games with 99% possesion. The thing is, you need an extra edge in form of creative player(s), who can break the pattern and thus score when moment is right, something that City has plenty of, we not quite (actually proactive manager will do too perhaps), otherwise it will be same frustration as it was with Sarri or Tuchel aka lack of end product.

Zero emotions about this appointment, seen too much in recent years, can only hope this guy will finally click with circumstances here and won't be boys gave everything yes-man. Good luck. Very much this. Bit baffling, if it's not some accounting trick, the club had shown least trust to objectively most legit manager they managed to get. Or it was Poch who didn't fancy to be locked in here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same Ted Lasso visionary bs was being said about GP, not like it translated to anything here. Actions, not rumors. Plus, thinking our current squad has no ego is delusional. Looking like Pep is one thing, having something to back it up is another and he needs to act on it fast or things in dressing room may go south quickly.

Well, it's not really about Maresca as such. We are once again forced to make a downgrade from previous manager, this time from Poch, whose presence here would be unthinkable few years ago btw and him jumping off ship is solid indicator of how much of hot mess the club is inside, so that's not an optimistic view. While appointing him, club pretty much insulted Nagelsmann and co with their PR communication, successfully deterring big names from interest in this position now. And owners pretty much made fools of the club, by claiming it's "1000% proven, sure-fire forever manager", who suffered badly and is gone after one season. Same with Potter – he'd be gone a lot sooner if only owner's would not put their good name and dignity on this gamble and stand with him till the end only not to admit, that this choice didn't work out and their vision was a mistake, much to fans outrage. Generally, talking shit is important in sports, but there are some occasions where it's better to refrain from talking shit and manager's appointment is one of them. And about Maresca or whoever else, in my opinion it's having Potter written all over it again. Owners are "excited" on some wishful-thinking, high-risk idea, will back it up until their dead body, the manager will probably suffer badly, here we go again, another year, the same stuff. AND to add insult to injury, our players had enough time to go from mr nobody to mr elite footballers in their minds, so manager from outside top-level football will probably hit a wall in dressing room again.

Yeah. Whichever chancy, Championship-level manager it will be, I hope the club won't repeat the same mistake THIRD time in form of burning bridges and literally insulting everyone they had held talks with, making the guy unsackable as a bonus; But yeah, I won't be surprised with another After high-tech, 10 year long reaserch we decided to go with X from Faroe Islands third division as dAtA shows this is absolutely best and eXcItInG manager, levels above any elite manager that miraculously shown interest in managing Clearlake's Chelsea and we put full trust in him, while other candidates suck and then proceed to hover around 12th place.

The emerging problem I see is that everyone still acts like it's a first day, while we are entering third (?) season under this ownership and the direction we are going is still unclear. I doubt this project is designed to last over the supposedly contracted 10 years before another sale, so the clock is ticking. Meanwhile all those candidates seem to me like looking for a way to start over AGAIN, instead of picking up the smallest signs of momentum we had shown towards the end of season. You won't win a race if all you do is burning rubber on the start lane. And while Poch managing Chelsea was ridiculous and unthinkable thing to me, I don't understand why all media report he was sacked, while it looks like he quit himself. And it's a very bad review of club's inner workings and plans. This fella was somehow scammed into investing in Chelsea instead of Brighton, wasn't he? There was a lot of talk, even here, we should sack Tuchel because the team doesn't play mUh BeAuTiFul fOoTy, whatever it means. Yeah, go on and try to play like Madrid or Barca, with little dancey-dancey and occasional rabona with sub-par players in PL, where even the worst team have 10 times faster and stronger defense and 10 times more intense press. It will get you to losing 0-5 at best and visiting hospital at worst. Good manager adjusts the style of play to opposition. I can't remember us parking the bus and trying to use physical advantage as it's all we have, while I can remember us struggling with parked buses while trying to play some poor-mans tiki-taka instead of adjusting accordingly.

True, but wonder how reliable these news are. Brighton? Fair enough, fits their philosophy somewhat, even if it's bit of a stretch. But United? I'd still expect them to go after proven manager. Last week Tuchel supposedly almost in, so it may be usual "everyone to United" rumor. Meanwhile we are trying to organize some from zero to hero story at all costs, so it may be an only solid offer tbh.

Would be funny if Championship manager would be reluctant to take over Chelsea and prefer some other lower-table team, but nothing will surprise me now.

Bruno looks like solid manager, given that shortlist.

That's the joke that's way too plausible to be funny 🤡

Of course it will be downgrade. All that "search for new Alonso/Artreta" is a cope, done by Twitter. Remember club didn't sack Poch. He left. And surely had reasons to do it. So if the project bears no hope or it's impossible to work with owners for Poch, who isn't exactly an elite manager, we aren't suddenly getting Flick, Nags (whom the club pretty much slapped publicly when appointing Poch) or whoever. We are getting an "exciting" Scottish 2nd division manager or someone sacked by Brighton at best.

Isn't it what most of clubs outside the top of the top are forced to do anyway? It's one of most proven ways to make club's operation profitable on books and only way to sustain for most. There was a lot of talk Clearlake is going to do this. On the other hand, the club is overpaying massively for meh-players in the beginning and doesn't really have a structure in place to develop them, so I don't see how would it be supposed to work. Selling out all decent academy players seems like the only way imo.

So, time for a downgrade again? Fuck me if the club will hire "exciting" manager after a miraculous campaign of bringing whatever fc from 4th to 3rd Croatian division as this is what I see a more realistic direction, than appointing an actual elite manager unfortunately. BTW, it's not surprising yet still surprising. Doubt Poch was axed due to lack of performance, given all the bs talk from owners. So did he bail out due to no hope of scrapping "the vision" and getting some experienced players, meaning suffering continues or played the money card too hard?

I think his position should pretty much depend on what the club want's to do with itself. If owners want to spent next 3-4 years doing the Vitesse duty ourselves, eg. developing the talent / "talent" and look for top4 in Clearlake's 6th year of ownership then sure, Poch is fine to teach the kids football and his lackluster ability to manage games proactively doesn't really matter, except fans frustration. IF club wants to get some serious players and bite now (that I highly doubt, judging by what we've seen so far) Poch won't cut it. Either the true heavyweight or one of those fresh and coming new wave manager is needed for such project. Poch is safe all-rounder, but for top level some more punch is needed. His PSG stint could be a fluke or cold be not, but I can hardly imagine him conquering the world.

Son trying to hang onto each of our players all the time, super annoying to watch this, crybaby, having issues with pressure, please no.

Absolute legend this guy, dropped in as kinda random mercenary, put the work in, defied limitations of human body but most importantly shown the character and commitment that some of our academy players lack. Utter respect.

So… we're gonna turn it around, right? 🤡

All I know we didn't get any better than him since. Not even close. And nothing in perspective. And we pretty much lost the chance of getting any top-tier manager with that so-called rebuild. And he actually cared and it doesn't happen often. It's a wired tweet as he was know for relying on rather unobvious players in BVB. Hell, he even improved our players way more, than anyone afer him and not many before. Not convinced with his transfer target choices, but maybe he would provide some reality check about our hundreds of millions in „potential and exciting talents” unlike the Clearlake yes-men. Well, pointless talk anyway. Except some fifa kids, we share the problem with Arsenal fans a while ago and Man U to some extent. Losing is fine, losing due to driving the club into wall and showing nothing but losers mentality is not fine and has nothing to do with entitlement.

Yeah, us out of Europe is a crime from the owners and they should be held accountable for it, but realistically, should we somehow in wacky lucky way qualified to Europe, what would we get? Going 0-3 down with 3rd team of Slovakian league, with due respect? At this point I'm just wondering whether ultra-dumb move of sacking Tuchel will haunt us for longer, than letting De Bruyne and Salah go (only difference they would probably rot here had they stayed). Whoever will be appointed there should be two fundamental rules: Stay clear of freaking Brighton (like, fucking seriously this time) and shut the hell up - bs spoken by owners and PR team put owner's personal reputation at stake when appointing Potter (got flashbacks by just typing this name) AND they did exactly the same freaking thing with Poch - it made both practically unsackable. DO NOT say the appointment is a pinnacle of your footballing knowledge, vision, data system, faith and brainchild of intensive work from all the best people in club. Shut up. Just say welcome to the club and move on.

Yeah, so, maybe, like, actually enforce the current FFP rules. If petrodollars would actually bother people in charge, they would be contained. Just a quick reminder that Chelsea had an actual freaking government on its back for a few years, trying to do as much problem for the club as possible. Petrodollars will find a way no matter this mumbo jumbo. Anyway, all those "fairness" ideas seem bit delusional to me. Did motorsport became more interesting after pushing F1 and WRC teams to be pretty much same thing? Unfair advantage is a problem that ruins sport, but the advantage is pretty much the point of sport. Let the big clubs be big clubs, smaller be smaller, just stop pretending to not see what City or PSG are doing. Reminds me of the pseudo-draft idea of choosing random players from few years back. What is even the point of owning and investing into the club then? You earn more, you spend more, trying to enforce equality sounds like making the football one corporation with few different logos. Meanwhile PSG or Real won't care for any caps, so it's shooting the world's best league foot off.

No. Don't give me hope the club would actually trade Poch for equal or better manager and not the up, coming and exciting manager in from of a guy who happened to jog in vicinity of training ground and seen Brighton's U17 reserves training once.