Callum Hudson-Odoi

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11 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Unless it is proven that Bayern DID tap up CHO (and this is a possibility at least) then the 2 main people I blame in all this is Sarri to a point, but especially CHO himself. I mean, wtf, Sarri has now backed him a bit, Eden is 80% or so probably leaving, and he just turned 18. He has been Chels since a wee lad, and everything is breaking his way. How does he repay? By cutting and running, and putting us in a bad sutuation.

If we dont buy a superb LW to replace Eden, and CHO also leaves, we are left with Willian (gag) and an ageing Pedro as only real options, unless we slot Pulisic there. Moses is clearly not good enough, and RLC is not a real winger.

Bad situ, just bad.

Again with the tapping up. Look, nobody in their right mind does a tap-up. At least not intentionally, you just need to be really forgetful. All you need to do to avoid being accused of tapping up, as per FIFA regulation 18.3, is to inform the holding club in writing that you intend on starting negotiations. That's all. You don't need approval or a confirmation. When Bayern first decided to start negotiations with CHO, all they needed to do was send a fax, email or letter to Chelsea simply saying "We will be holding negotiations with Callum Hodson-Odoi." And then the negotiations can start while the holding club (Chelsea in this case) has no legal right to stop them. I can't think of a reason why Bayern would be so absent-minded as to forget sending this one-liner fax/email/letter to Chelsea's offices before meeting up with CHO or his agent, because ONLY THEN would it be considered tapping up.

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5 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

That is why I think you'll find for us it's more than the money.

LOL Well I think that depends whether you ask a fan or Mz Penny Pincher!

Where he isn't the finished article he does have, what so many on here like saying, 'potential. And he would be important for us in several ways

To show our Yoof that hard work and loyalty can pay off

To show that we are finally willing to use our kids

To show that we prioritize young talent more than money.

But as Ive said before how much playing time will he get next season??

Eden / Pully will take both spots. IF Edens offski we will be replacing him HOPEFULLY with an expensive replacement anyway. And IF Willi9ans still soddin here .....................................................!!!!!!!

So he will HOPEFULLY get more time than this season but will that be enough for him - OR our SUPPORTERS!

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3 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

LOL Well I think that depends whether you ask a fan or Mz Penny Pincher!

Where he isn't the finished article he does have, what so many on here like saying, 'potential. And he would be important for us in several ways

To show our Yoof that hard work and loyalty can pay off

To show that we are finally willing to use our kids

To show that we prioritize young talent more than money.

But as Ive said before how much playing time will he get next season??

Eden / Pully will take both spots. IF Edens offski we will be replacing him HOPEFULLY with an expensive replacement anyway. And IF Willi9ans still soddin here .....................................................!!!!!!!

So he will HOPEFULLY get more time than this season but will that be enough for him - OR our SUPPORTERS!

The issue comes down to what it has been all season which is trust and faith by the manager.

I've mentioned in previous posts why I can understand Sarri trusting in Willian and Pedro over CHO so far,

But similar to RLC, it seems that in time he is trusting him a lot more.

All being equal, Sarri will be here next season with four wide players to use and choose from regularly and CHO would be one of those. I think he is also starting to realise just how much more intense it is playing in England and the volume of games bunched together compared to Italy and the need to rotate and keep some players fresh is vitally important.

We are still talking about an 18 year old. If he did stay at Chelsea, I don't see why by the end of the season he won't have played 15-20 games for Chelsea this season. That's a real solid number and a great starting point to build upon. The club will always be looking to maintain a challenge for everything domestically and playing in Europe. There's a lot of games available and next season I don't see why he can't push on to 25-30 games and keep progressing as such.

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1 minute ago, Superblue_1986 said:

We are still talking about an 18 year old. If he did stay at Chelsea, I don't see why by the end of the season he won't have played 15-20 games for Chelsea this season. That's a real solid number and a great starting point to build upon

Well I know that, you know that, but will his advisers and Bayern who will be blowing smoke up his arse telling him that he deserves to be playing every week, and needs to be playing in the CL every year etc,

I am always one of playing the best player we have available and not just playing yoof for the sake of it.

 

It was only a very short time back that Sarri came out in a interview saying that we had too large of a squad at 25 and we only needed 20/21!! It amazed me when he said it but IF all of those were of the standard they could all be starters then just maybe. But with Sarris rotation he might need even less.

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2 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Well I know that, you know that, but will his advisers and Bayern who will be blowing smoke up his arse telling him that he deserves to be playing every week, and needs to be playing in the CL every year etc,

I am always one of playing the best player we have available and not just playing yoof for the sake of it.

 

It was only a very short time back that Sarri came out in a interview saying that we had too large of a squad at 25 and we only needed 20/21!! It amazed me when he said it but IF all of those were of the standard they could all be starters then just maybe. But with Sarris rotation he might need even less.

All of us though can pinpoint 3 or 4 players that could be shipped out and don't really need replacing within the squad (Cahill, Drinkwater, Moses for starters) so I can understand that comment. In an ideal world you'd have 22 players, two for every position. The quality of some of your first team, let alone backups is questionable so again it boils down to Sarri trusting that group of say 21, 22 players that he could put any combination in and still be confident there was sufficient quality to try and get a result. At the moment I don't think that trust is there, but it is improving.

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Finally I understand all this confusion with tapping-up. There are different regulations related to tapping up, and they're described really well at https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/sports/item/tapping-up-in-football-complying-with-domestic-and-international-transfers-rules

In a nutshell, the Premier League rules are much more stringent than the FIFA rules. In the former, you need prior written consent of the club under which he is contracted. In the latter, which is the one Bayern are obliged to follow, they simply needed to inform Chelsea that they intend to negotiate with Hudson-Odoi, in writing... Chelsea could have replied with a "don't you even dare" but Bayern could legally negotiate after that.

So it might have been considered tapping-up had it been Tottenham making the approach, but since it was Bayern who needed to follow the FIFA rules, nothing's been broken as long as Bayern informed Chelsea in writing about their intentions beforehand (again, no consent would be required).

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13 minutes ago, MUTU said:

So it might have been considered tapping-up had it been Tottenham making the approach, but since it was Bayern who needed to follow the FIFA rules, nothing's been broken as long as Bayern informed Chelsea in writing about their intentions beforehand (again, no consent would be required).

I think theres legal and moral ways to do things.

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23 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

I think theres legal and moral ways to do things.

Agreed, but if German teams decided that one should scratch his balls before submitting a request to sign a player in intra-Bundesliga transfers, it doesn't mean that it would be immoral for Premier League club owners to not scratch their balls the next time they sign the next big thing in the Bundesliga.

Personally I already find the FIFA rules overkill. I don't mean to intrude, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say you have a full-time job. Imagine if you apply to work for another company and the latter company would be required to get consent from your existing company in order to conduct a job interview. You'd probably complain about your lack of privacy, wouldn't you? It's the same thing here. At least the FIFA rules only require sending prior notification not also requesting consent.

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5 minutes ago, MUTU said:

I don't mean to intrude, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say you have a full-time job

Only in a very grey sense and am ummm self employed lol

Whereas I get your point we are talking of people earning £millions and companys that could also lose £millions.

I also suppose it depends on which club is getting shafted too.  Your club is well known for doing anything and everything they can do get players.

I do wish we would take more of that stance. Go into a player like we were Billy Big Bollox! A big pocket full of cash determined to get who we wanted and fuck everyone else. But sadly we don't.

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13 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Only in a very grey sense and am ummm self employed lol

Whereas I get your point we are talking of people earning £millions and companys that could also lose £millions.

I also suppose it depends on which club is getting shafted too.  Your club is well known for doing anything and everything they can do get players.

I do wish we would take more of that stance. Go into a player like we were Billy Big Bollox! A big pocket full of cash determined to get who we wanted and fuck everyone else. But sadly we don't.

You don't? Dude, I know this is a Chelsea forum and it's not my place to do this but seriously this is too much... Chelsea have at least TRIPLE Bayern's amount of professional players on contract, whether playing or out on contract. We super rarely buy players just to loan them out. Gnabry was a big exception. You have 37 players out on loan. We have 1, who's a youth product anyway. You're making it sound like we're able to get players while you aren't.

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1 minute ago, MUTU said:

You don't? Dude, I know this is a Chelsea forum and it's not my place to do this but seriously this is too much... Chelsea have at least TRIPLE Bayern's amount of professional players on contract, whether playing or out on contract. We super rarely buy players just to loan them out. Gnabry was a big exception. You have 37 players out on loan. You're making it sound like we're able to get players while you aren't.

Grass is always greener on the other side?

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1 minute ago, El P. said:

Grass is always greener on the other side?

There's more than just a case for that

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9 minutes ago, MUTU said:

There's more than just a case for that

Ok... while we may have more money to spend, Bayern is more attractive club these days. We are not in UCL that often, and even when we play in UCL we are not good.

Also, some players like more to play in easier league, not to play 2 cups, having winter break, not being often kicked on the cold rainy night in Stoke, having more energy to win UCL, having winning league guaranteed...

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3 minutes ago, El P. said:

Ok... while we may have more money to spend, Bayern is more attractive club these days. We are not in UCL that often, and even when we play in UCL we are not good.

Also, some players like more to play in easier league, not to play 2 cups, having winter break, not being often kicked on the cold rainy night in Stoke, having more energy to win UCL, having winning league guaranteed...

Out of curiousity, if you think the Bundesliga is easier, doesn't have Stoke, and allows you more energy and breaks, what reasons would you give for Bundesliga clubs consistently having more injuries than Premier League clubs? This is a fact not an opinion.

I understand that you play more matches, but you get around that by having a larger squad. For the first half of the season, we had 19 outfield players. Now we have 20 since we've added 18yo Davies. You have 24 outfield players, so you can afford much more rotation.

I also understand you don't have a winter break, but that only results with us having a more congested rest of the season. You mentioned more energy to win the UCL... but hear me out. When the referee whistles full time in Liverpool's last match before playing the 1st leg against Bayern, Bayern would still need to play TWO matches.