kc_blue 265 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, MUTU said: For 35m nowadays, you can bring back Thorgan Hazard. I remember watching Thorgan Hazard play 90 minutes against England in Kaliningrad. Maybe my memory evades me but I don't remember seeing Hudson-Odoi also playing in that match At this point in time, you can consider Thorgan Hazard an upgrade over Hudson-Odoi. Furthermore, maybe that'll help Eden want to remain at your club so you hit 2 birds with one stone too. All this misses the really big point. Callum is homegrown and been with the club for over 10 years. Thorgan doesn't replace this. CHO breaking into the first team helps instill confidence in our academy players that it is possible to make it into the first team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTU 37 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, kc_blue said: I don't disagree with this statement at all. Unfortunately we have the scouts and the board that we have. We also play in England and everyone knows the English teams have lots of money and prices go up accordingly. In the meantime, Stoke sold Shaqiri for £13.23m and Arsenal had sold Gnabry for £4.5m. Good deals exist and are indeed common. It's actually deals sized £35m and above which are rare... according to Wikipedia, the 50th most expensive signing of all time is £42.5m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc_blue 265 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, MUTU said: In the meantime, Stoke sold Shaqiri for £13.23m and Arsenal had sold Gnabry for £4.5m. Good deals exist and are indeed common. It's actually deals sized £35m and above which are rare... according to Wikipedia, the 50th most expensive signing of all time is £42.5m Neither of those two examples are homegrown talent. That needs to be taken into account as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamcfc 182 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, MUTU said: In the meantime, Stoke sold Shaqiri for £13.23m and Arsenal had sold Gnabry for £4.5m. Good deals exist and are indeed common. It's actually deals sized £35m and above which are rare... according to Wikipedia, the 50th most expensive signing of all time is £42.5m This is based on years and years of transfers, in the last few years it is not the same. We spent 56m on Pulisic, the bar has been set. I give you that deals can be had but as I said previously there are so many variables it’s not easy to compare transfers , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTU 37 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, kc_blue said: I thought he was at least 40m? €42m = £37.15m. Worth selling CHO for if that would keep Eden, because if it's as bad as you say, for the £100m you're asking for Hazard you'd sign who in return... Raheem Sterling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTU 37 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, kc_blue said: All this misses the really big point. Callum is homegrown and been with the club for over 10 years. Thorgan doesn't replace this. CHO breaking into the first team helps instill confidence in our academy players that it is possible to make it into the first team. Do you acknowledge that Thorgan is also your academy player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTU 37 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, dreamcfc said: This is based on years and years of transfers, in the last few years it is not the same. We spent 56m on Pulisic, the bar has been set. Pulisic is expensive not only because of his skill but also because he has unparalleled marketing potential. If he ever becomes a top, top, top player, he'll be worth his weight in diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 33 minutes ago, MUTU said: Serious question: why should it matter if your owner is broke, a millionaire or the richest man of all time? Aren't there still FFP rules you're required to abide with? AFAIK it's not like the owner can say "oh, £35m is nothing, here's £500m for the transfer kitty from my own personal funds". Because it's a lot more than just £35m for us FFP or not. Firstly, the chances of us getting someone that much better than him with that money in this climate is slim let alone someone who is currently or could eclipse the potential he has got. Secondly he is our homegrown boy and someone who is seen as the next generation at this club, whether the club successfully put this into practice is a totally different matter but the idea going forward is to have James, Ampadu, Mount, RLC, CHO and potentially Sterling, Abraham and Gilmour forming our British HG base, Hudson is the star in the jewell, the others have the potential to be top players, especially Ampadu, but Callum is the one out of them lot that would have the "it" factor. If he's got his heart set on joining Bayern with no scope to change his mind then ultimately there is nothing we will be able to do, but make no mistake we won't roll over and will be doing everything in our power to keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTU 37 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, Tomo said: Because it's a lot more than just £35m for us FFP or not. Firstly, the chances of us getting someone that much better than him with that money in this climate is slim let alone someone who is currently or could eclipse the potential he has got. Secondly he is our homegrown boy and someone who is seen as the next generation at this club, whether the club successfully put this into practice is a totally different matter but the idea going forward is to have James, Ampadu, Mount, CHO and potential Sterling, Gilmour forming our British HG base, Hudson is the star in the jewell, the others have the potential to be top players, especially Ampadu, but Callum is the one out of them lot that would have the "it" factor. If he's got his heart set on joining Bayern with no scope to change his mind then ultimately there is nothing we will be able to do, but make no mistake we won't roll over and will be doing everything in our power to keep him. With £35m there are maybe 3 Bundesliga wingers you wouldn't afford to buy (providing the club is ready to sell). Just sayin'. In fact, if Bayern would want to sell any of their current wingers, I bet they wouldn't ask for as much as £35m for any of them Pretty sure you can sign players like Julian Brandt, Thorgan Hazard, Leon Bailey, Emil Forsberg or Reiss Nelson for that money or whereabouts. Heck, as of today (quote by Salihamidzic) our board is not sure whether or not to spend £37.15m to trigger James Rodriguez's clause and sign him permanently and we will monitor his progress until the end of the season before taking a decision. The same board that has ACTUALLY BID £35m for CHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamcfc 182 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, MUTU said: With £35m there are maybe 3 Bundesliga wingers you wouldn't afford to buy (providing the club is ready to sell). Just sayin'. In fact, if Bayern would want to sell any of their current wingers, I bet they wouldn't ask for as much as £35m for any of them Pretty sure you can sign players like Julian Brandt, Thorgan Hazard, Leon Bailey, Emil Forsberg or Reiss Nelson for that money or whereabouts. Heck, as of today (quote by Salihamidzic) our board is not sure whether or not to spend £37.15m to trigger James Rodriguez's clause and sign him permanently and we will monitor his progress until the end of the season before taking a decision. The same board that has ACTUALLY BID £35m for CHO. But none of these players give us what Callum does. Why are you not trying too sign them if they are so good. There is 1 player there that could come close to replacing him, Thorgan, but he’s much older, already been here and didn’t do much.. it’s hardly something we should be desperate to make happen . Johnnyeye and Unionjack 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 44 minutes ago, MUTU said: Because it was said that £35m is nothing. £35m is a lot of money. I'm sure you can buy the majority of Bayern senior squad players in return, for that kind of money. That amount of money won't buy you starting quality replacement? Let's see... Kingsley Coman cost us £25.2m (I'm including money we paid to loan him in) Serge Gnabry cost us £6.3m (I'm excluding money we were paid for to loan him out) Alphonso Davies cost us £9m Total: £40.5m Basically, given that Ribery and Robben are moving at the end of the season, Bayern are bidding almost as much money for CHO as they spent on the rest of their wingers altogether. What I think you really need are good scouts to get players at decent prices. Well, or get a Drinkwater for that price. Your choice. With a proper DOF to go with them and a system in place where theres conversations and a meeting of minds before players are bought and sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTU 37 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, dreamcfc said: But none of these players give us what Callum does. Why are you not trying too sign them if they are so good. There is 1 player there that could come close to replacing him, Thorgan, but he’s much older, already been here and didn’t do much.. it’s hardly something we should be desperate to make happen . We're not trying to sign them because we don't want to weaken the opposition Really, the reason is that we're rebuilding and want to build for the future not for now. We want to build wings that are set for over a decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamcfc 182 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, MUTU said: We're not trying to sign them because we don't want to weaken the opposition Really, the reason is that we're rebuilding and want to build for the future not for now. We want to build wings that are set for over a decade. Why can't we want the same thing with our own player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTU 37 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, dreamcfc said: Why can't we want the same thing with our own player? Because your staff already convinced him that it won't work with you guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamcfc 182 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, MUTU said: Because your staff already convinced him that it won't work with you guys. Really, How so? Facts that we know for sure would say otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTU 37 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, dreamcfc said: Really, How so? Refer to all newspaper reports. You can choose to not believe them, sure, however it seems pretty clear he wants to move because he doesn't feel he'll get enough playing time at Chelsea as opposed to Bayern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamcfc 182 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, MUTU said: Refer to all newspaper reports. You can choose to not believe them, sure, however it seems pretty clear he wants to move because he doesn't feel he'll get enough playing time at Chelsea as opposed to Bayern. All the newspaper reports that have gone quiet, the only thing keeping this alive right now is that your club keep coming out in public saying they want him which unfortunately doesn't work when your dealing with another big club who can offer him the same. Newspapers are also reporting recently that he denied reports he wants to leave etc, so yea, you can choose to believe whatever you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTU 37 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, dreamcfc said: Facts that we know for sure would say otherwise. If you want to talk facts, tell me how many Premier League minutes CHO played in before Bayern knocked on Chelsea's door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamcfc 182 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, MUTU said: If you want to talk facts, tell me how many Premier League minutes CHO played in before Bayern knocked on Chelsea's door. So MAYBE, you have done us a favour, thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTU 37 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, dreamcfc said: So MAYBE, you have done us a favour, thank you If by "us" you mean CHO, who's the only one who seems to have gained something, then yes. However, I'm pretty sure that CHO is wondering that if the window closes before he has a chance to move to Bayern, would he be getting the playing time he was getting before Bayern's interest or after Bayern's interest? At least, if I was CHO, that'd be what would keep me awake at night. The difference is quite notable, I'm sure you'll agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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