haranr 485 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Listen mate. I will be really honest and this can piss a lot off. Personally, as an Arab, Egyptian, and a Muslim I have no problems with the Israeli people or any Jews. I do have friends who happen to be Jews. But I do have a problem with your politics and I think everyone has the right to, including yourself. So whatever I am saying is not directed at you personally. I don't know you, you might be a good guy or a bad guy, I don't know and I don't judge people.Regarding the incident it was clear and there have been many other incidents too where innocent civilians have suffered and the Goldstone report said it. I know many Israelis who are against the violence and were in favor of peace however like in every country there is also people you are racists and love violence. That is in every country. This incident was a true criminal act.If you think they actually aimed to the child's head in purpose in order to kill him. I disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonlol 154 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Listen mate. I will be really honest and this can piss a lot off. Personally, as an Arab, Egyptian, and a Muslim I have no problems with the Israeli people or any Jews. I do have friends who happen to be Jews. But I do have a problem with your politics and I think everyone has the right to, including yourself. So whatever I am saying is not directed at you personally. I don't know you, you might be a good guy or a bad guy, I don't know and I don't judge people.Regarding the incident it was clear and there have been many other incidents too where innocent civilians have suffered and the Goldstone report said it. I know many Israelis who are against the violence and were in favor of peace however like in every country there is also people you are racists and love violence. That is in every country. This incident was a true criminal act.Its so simple for israelis to make peace with these people. IT MUST BE ISRAELS FAULT FOR NO PEACE. Model partner for peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohammed Seif 1,451 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 So your saying israeli's a western styled country has a policy of targeting unarmed kids?Non sense. In israel if a soldier did that he would be brought to the courts, israelis have much to live for in their country , its a relatively free country where you can pursure life liberty and happiness. And shall we talk about egypts wrong doing to Palestinians? Egypt/gaza borders produces way more casualties. LOL, you are so cute man. I don't know why you brought Egypt in it but that is ok . All Arab nations and Israel admit and the important role that Egypt plays in the middle east. How it has helped the Palestinians while maintaining its peace with Israel. But like every nation we have the right to protect our borders. As far as the Palestinians are concerned they are treated in Egypt as Egyptians. Same education and health benefits. We don't deal with terrorists that is it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Listen mate. I will be really honest and this can piss a lot off. Personally, as an Arab, Egyptian, and a Muslim I have no problems with the Israeli people or any Jews. I do have friends who happen to be Jews. But I do have a problem with your politics and I think everyone has the right to, including yourself. So whatever I am saying is not directed at you personally. I don't know you, you might be a good guy or a bad guy, I don't know and I don't judge people.Regarding the incident it was clear and there have been many other incidents too where innocent civilians have suffered and the Goldstone report said it. I know many Israelis who are against the violence and were in favor of peace however like in every country there is also people you are racists and love violence. That is in every country. This incident was a true criminal act.I have a problem with our politics too. I DO NOT approve the settlments, I think it is something wrong and should have never been done! But that's just about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonlol 154 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 in israel kids aspire to be doctors and enginners and much more.But in palestine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohammed Seif 1,451 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Its so simple for israelis to make peace with these people. IT MUST BE ISRAELS FAULT FOR NO PEACE. Model partner for peace. Oh yes it is. The only leader from Israel who attempted real peace was Isaac Rabin. Guess what? he was assassinated by an Israeli for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonlol 154 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 about 16 percent of israel is muslim and 4 percent christians. Now lets talk about religious diversity in "palestine" Oh wait there is none they booted the Christians out who seeked assylum in guess what? ISRAEL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonlol 154 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Oh yes it is. The only leader from Israel who attempted real peace was Isaac Rabin. Guess what? he was assassinated by an Israeli for thatThats because he agreed to "Holocaust borders" . Israel has every right to guarantee hers security first. You can't make peace with people who want to kill you. What israel must do is retake the gaza, and stop palestians from robbing their kids of a future by indoctrinating them with anti-west jew hatred and give them a western education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohammed Seif 1,451 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Egypt could have taken GAZA a thousand of times but they cared "NADA" for them. And left it to Israel.LOL. We will never take Gaza. Gaza is not ours. We don't simply take others lands . This land is for the Palestinians and the Egyptians Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Oh yes it is. The only leader from Israel who attempted real peace was Isaac Rabin. Guess what? he was assassinated by an Israeli for thatNo. Itzhak Rabin was the only leader who agreed to lose a lot in order to achieve peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohammed Seif 1,451 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Thats because he agreed to "Holocaust borders" . Israel has every right to guarantee hers security first. You can't make peace with people who want to kill you. What israel must do is retake the gaza, and stop palestians from robbing their kids of a future by indoctrinating them with anti-west jew hatred and give them a western education. LOL, there goes your talk about PEACE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Thats because he agreed to "Holocaust borders" . Israel has every right to guarantee hers security first. You can't make peace with people who want to kill you. What israel must do is retake the gaza, and stop palestians from robbing their kids of a future by indoctrinating them with anti-west jew hatred and give them a western education. To mention that this killing is ABSOLUTLY NOT SUPPORTED! All israel were crying when he died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonlol 154 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 end the pursecution of christians by hamas http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748704304504574610022765965390 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 LOL. We will never take Gaza. Gaza is not ours. We don't simply take others lands . This land is for the Palestinians and the EgyptiansGaza is not ours either but you CANT FUCKING LET THEM BE ON THEIR OWN WHEN THEY WON'T STOP ATTACKING YOU! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohammed Seif 1,451 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 No. Itzhak Rabin was the only leader who agreed to lose a lot in order to achieve peace. So he got assassinated! Well if you legitimize his assassination then you can't blame the Palestinians for fighting for their land and refusing your settlements. Also you wouldn't let them give their LAND to Egypt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 LOL, there goes your talk about PEACE.PEACE won't be achieved. There is too much hatred between the sides. This is my conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 As I said before - cringeworthy thread, serving only ingroup outgroup points of views to be displayed with absolutely no intention of hearing each other out. A politics thread/arena should only be entered when there is at least the will to listen and the option your own position could be false. Before anyone shoutes: 'what do you know!', mediators and negotiators are picked for exactly that - being a third neutral party. Some things soldiers (or terrorists) do for 'the cause' can never be made ethical. Period. It takes guts to get away from the tit for tat. Ask all the dove Rabin that is killed for it, hell: ask Gandhi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonlol 154 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 LOL, there goes your talk about PEACE.if Palestinians were rational and not motivated by radical islam among other things than two states and returns are possible. But not until an intellectual revolution of accepting diversity and tolarence on a politcal level will that ever happen. However I am optimistic. Bunch of Palestinians in west bank now come to Israeli schools and build start ups together. This is what build peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 So he got assassinated! Well if you legitimize his assassination then you can't blame the Palestinians for fighting for their land and refusing your settlements. Also you wouldn't let them give their LAND to Egypt.......................... I was replaying about the way you put it like the only leader who wanted peace was Rabin. We had a lot of leaders who wanted peace but didn't agree to lose so much. NOBODY LEGTIMIZE HIS ASSASSINATION HERE IN ISRAEL 99 PRECENT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonlol 154 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 So he got assassinated! Well if you legitimize his assassination then you can't blame the Palestinians for fighting for their land and refusing your settlements. Also you wouldn't let them give their LAND to Egyptassassination is wrong and condemnable, but his approach was suicide. His ratings in polls at the time suggest vast majority were against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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