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Well I simply disagree that he can even be considered in the same class as Giggs & Scholes, because not only is he a few years younger than them, but he is a significantly better player & also has far better fitness & stamina than either of them. They are most definite has-beens in my books - still great players, indisputable club legends - & continue to contribute to the team with occasional flashes of former-brilliance in their cameo roles - but they are without a shadow of a doubt past their best days simply because age has finally caught up to them after all of these years. Unless they're coming on as subs, they do look a little haggard & as if they have run out of steam towards the tail ends of their shifts in intense matches. That's why Fergie hasn't been using them as often as he did last season, because they are essentially bench-warmerss nowadays rather than trustworthy potent weapons on the pitch. This is nowhere near the case for Frank. Maybe you see it differently, but I certainly don't & Frank certainly doesn't believe that is the case either. He may not be the same player he used to be, but he is by no means a waning old greyhound either. He still has the ability to perform at the very top level at Chelsea - & even the the fat fool Benitez recognises just how vital he is to the team. To even consider halving his wages cut in half is absolutely preposterous. Of course in real life terms that means nothing to his overall financial security, he's made plenty of money already in his time here, we all know that - however considering what he has done for the club & the player that he still remains today - he does not in any way deserve to have his wages cut by any percentage. You can use his age as justification behind your opinion all you want - but for me, that is just a number & by no means a reflection of what he still has to offer this club as a player. Let me put it to you this way - Steven Gerrard earns 140 grand a week & is probably about to sign a new contract that is going to extend his current deal beyond 2015 - http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/23/liverpool-steven-gerrard-contract-new. That is how we should be treating our legends. Now considering Lampard is a better player than him & especially nowadays is undoubtedly declining at a far less rapid rate in comparison to his scouse counter-part who is two years younger, how you can even attempt to convince me that he does not deserve at least the same contract is utterly perplexing. I realise that it seems like a lot of money, & it obviously would be for any of us mere mortals - but in terms of modern football & Roman's overall pay-roll, it really is nowhere near as outlandish as you seem to suggest. You do realise that Torres is on something ridiculous like 170K+ right? That is what I call insane for a player who has been as appallingly mediocre as he has been for two years now, especially in addition to his extortionate transfer fee. But if we can afford to entertain his fruitless endeavours & continue to do so for the forseeable future - then surely there is no reason that Lampard should not be rewarded with whatever it is that he is asking for. Surely that is only fair. It is not a matter of money, it is a matter of respect as well as a club's loyalty to a player who has given his all & been so unquivocally instrumental for this club during a decade that has brought so much success & so many timeless memories. It is a matter of the player he is & still continues to be. It is a matter of the fact that this player that we are talking about - is none other than Frank Lampard.

I apologise for being so blunt - but due to the overwhelming evidence of your post - I can only possibly come to the conclusion that you are ignorant beyond salvation. The point I was making was who else could have made those kind of passes against the best team in the world? The answer would be possibly a select few players consisting of the likes of Gerrard/Alonso/Modric - & even then it is unlikely that they would have had the intelligence & composure to make the right decision, as well as the actual ability to execute the final ball with such inch perfect precision. It was not a competition of who was our best player of the year/competition or whatever - I never suggested anything of the sort - & I certainly didn't mention any kind of list. Ramires was exceptional throughout the season & he was probably the most consistent player which is why he was voted to be so by the rest of the team. Do you actually think I didn't realise he was the player on the end of BOTH of those Lampard passes? I was screaming his fucking name to the heavens when that glorious goal went in, you have no idea of the sheer ecstasy that was sent erupting through my body when that flew into the back of the net. But as you said, it takes two to tango. & not once, but twice Lampard provided the incisive pass that set him on his way - which in a footballing sense, was the most impressive aspect of the build up to the goals. Maybe you're not much of a footballer yourself - but trust me when I say pulling that kind of technique out of the bag, let alone in a Champions League semi-final against Barcelona is no trivial matter as you seem to be dismissing it as - of all the components involved in those two goals that you mentioned, the most important was what you didn't mention in those Lampard passes. Of course Ramires did amazingly well thereafter, but those two passes set him up to be in an advantageous position against the defenders & ultimately that is what was most vital in those goals along with the absolutely brilliant finishes from himself & Drogba. However, unfortunately he was suspended for the final - & I was obviously rather upset for him along with Ivanovic & JT that they would have to miss the greatest night in our history (& at the time I feared the worst due to such key players being out). That by no means discounts his efforts prior to that as he was amazing & yes his chip against Barcelona was just as marvellous as the assist that set him up - but he was not one of the heroes on that night, simply because he didn't play. Lampard did, & he put in an awesome captain's performance & led our team to the greatest achievement ever witnessed. That does not disregard the fact that Drogba & Cech were the real highlights of the night if you want to be picky about it - but it also doesn't change the fact that Lampard & Cole were also exceptional. It was a team effort, for the entire tournament & I'm not sure why you are particularly trying to discredit one player's valiant efforts in it when you should be hailing every one of their performances - but nevertheless I would imagine that the majority of Chelsea supporters would agree that the aforementioned players were the true heroes, all things considered. As for the rest, I disagree with your thoughts on the AVB issue...because from what I heard your recollection of the events differs to mine based on the evidence provided...but I'm not going bother arguing about what our previous cunt of a manager may or may not have done/said, when we already have a new one in charge at the moment. & I'm not sure why you have made the point about playing counter-attacking football...I think that was fairly obvious for anyone who watched the games...but it certainly doesn't discredit our performances in any way, because I couldn't be more proud of them. For the most part, the reason for playing more defensive football was because we were up against Barcelona & Bayern - arguably the two best teams in the world at the time. Prior to that, we certainly weren't overly defensive against Napoli until we had scored all of our goals in the second leg - in the first leg, I still have no idea what the fuck AVB was thinking tbh. But yer since we're talking about Lampard, he did put in a brilliant performance against Napoli & just as much as anything else it made a difference & we went on to the next round where he did it again & well, the rest is history.... Anyway, as for the Super Cup & CWC, I wasn't glossing over those at all, although to be perfectly honest judging from your retort, I'm guessing that they don't mean quite as much to me as they do to you. But yer, players have bad games, of which the Super Cup was one for our entire team, not just Lamps in particular. My memory though is that our defence & Mikel were to blame that night more so than anyone else, so not sure what your point is once again. The CWC was a slightly different occasion as it's not as if we played that badly in terms of making mistakes or conceding hapless goals, it was more a case of a generally lifeless performance due to complacency & it was fairly obvious that most of our players just didn't give a shit/were too tired to care considering we all thought it would be a routine victory. Lamps certainly didn't have a shocker in that game though, at least not compared to the likes of Torres, Mata & Ramires. Ramires being particularly culpable for the goal (but of course you couldn't possibly blame him for that right?). I don't understand why you think that I am not providing a rational debate, considering the various points that I have continuously provided in rather substantial walls of text. & if you're saying that it is a rehash of the same thing then you obviously are to lazy to actually read them thoroughly & put some actual thought into a reasonable response rather than choosing to simply resort to being entirely dismissive of what I have to say just because we are talking about my favourite player. Again, your immaturity & ignorance seem to get the better of you. That, or you're just a bit of a cunt.

Well if you're not going to respond to full sentences & points at least, then don't bother because you're basically going out of your way to take what I'm saying out of context & you clearly have a rather notorious habit of doing so based on my past feuds with you. & okay so if you actually do in fact recognise his abilities as a player, then sentimentality aside - surely you realise that he still deserves to be a first team player for this club? I would have to guess not considering you appear to be saying that it would not be 'best for the club' & 'our long-term future' - but I think you need to stop getting so hung up on the immediation of a revolution & evolution of our club & realise that these things take time. You can't expect to let the likes of Lamps & JT & Cole & Cech just walk out the door & suddenly a whole new generation of players are just going to fill their boots without any trouble. These are the kind of players that are truly irreplaceable to a team - & it is going to take a lot of time & money before we can build another trophy-winning side for the next generation. It certainly isn't going to happen over a single season. You can already see what the hastiness of transition has done to our team in the last 2 years - we are most definitely nowhere near as formidable as we were prior to the AVB disaster - which is why fans like yourself who desire the kind of radical change that has ultimately proved detrimental to this club need to take a step back & think about what is truly best for us if we are going to continually challenge for trophies WHILST simultaneously building our side for the future. There really is no point in attempting to immediately replace legends who simply can't be, especially when they are still performing as they currently are. It is an unnecessary & pointless exercise that will inevitably backfire & create even more disrest & disrepute amongst fans, players & owner alike - as has been evident from past experience. Of course I agree that we need to think about the future of this club & integrating young players into this side to reign in the new era - however, you can't expect to do this over such a short period of time & you certainly can't expect to have any kind of success attempting to do so. The likes of Piazon, KDB, McEachran, Chalobah, Coutois etc. will have their time soon enough, but I think many of you are getting a little too over-excited & impatient with all of our exceptional youthful talent bubbling under the surface. They will be unleashed at the Bridge once they are ready & well-equipped enough to do so - however, for now, we still have a golden-era of world class players at our disposal - the best this club has ever been fortunate enough to witness & support through thick & thin - so leave it to them to lay down & stabilise the foundations that we can build this new team on so that we can continue our success & growth through the transition rather than jumping the gun & plunging us into the depths without our anchors before we are actually ready.

Do you remember this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mmYEi2jre4 We would never have even made it to the final if it wasn't for those two unreal passes (& we would never have made it to the semis if it wasn't for his goal against Napoli). Of course Drogba, Cech, Cole, Mata, & Ramires were vital too - because it was in fact a true team effort. I never said they weren't instrumental. But as captain for the last two games, he was exceptional in his performance & the true heroes were himself along with Drogba, Cech & Cole. They wanted it the most, & they showed it. In reality, that's what got us the trophy we have been trying so desperately to win for the last 10 years. & I'm not sure what you mean by throwing a tantrum in the first half of the season - that was quite clearly because AVB was an insolent little cunt & was being a right knob to Lamps (along with others) - to be perfectly honest I never liked him from the very start. & guess what? The moment he was sacked & Lamps was reinstated to the starting line up, we went on to win the CL & the FA cup. Coincidence? I think not... Yes, I am a fanboy (surely my username was a bit of a giveaway?), I'm more than happy to admit that because he is my favourite player of all time & that is never going to change til the day I die. I'm sure that you're exactly the same way about your own hero or favourite band, no? However, I don't simply say that 'he is the best, because he just is' - I actually justify my opinion with what I feel is sound reasoning regardless of any prejudicial allegiances, because contrary to what you suggest, there is in fact genuine cause for my beliefs. & I certainly am not offended by anyone not giving him 100% praise - I am however more than willing to display my objections & aggrievances when someone doesn't give him the praise that he deserves. Because if there is anyone who has been wildly underrated & overlooked in the football world for the last decade, it is Frank Lampard. & yes, I guess I do take offense when you go as far as to discredit him as a player, due to the bitterness that has accumulated everytime I have had to listen to some babbling bafoon attempt to dismiss him as if he is just another reasonably-talented player or even simply 'not as good as Stevie G'. I'll be the first to admit that he didn't have an outsanding start to the season, nor did he last year - however that was mostly down to the manager not picking him as opposed to Lamps actually doing anything wrong. However, the moment RDM came in, he did what he does best & put in consistent performances for the rest of the season, along with a few truly exceptional ones when it mattered most in knockout cup competition. This season, he wasn't picked by RDM for a couple of games & then put in a few good performances before getting injured for 2 months - so how you are able to make any form of reasonable judgement from that alone, & furthermore a comdemning one, is truly beyond me. You must be some kind of football expert god to be able to ascertain that kind of information about a player's performances; when he is not even actually on the pitch. The reason his good performances have been fewer & fewer is because at the start of the season he was being played with a generally useless Mikel most of the time & also because he was obviously being asked to perform a considerably different & more restrictive role to what he is used to - & thereafter as I mentioned he was sitting on the sidelines in case that has escaped your attention. However, he has now just retured from injury in the last two weeks, & already he has put in a good performance as well as a rather brilliant one in the space of 5 days since Wednesday night - so clearly he is making a pretty promising return to fitness & form unless you haven't been watching the last two games. & in combination with Luiz, it looks like we may just have finally solved our midfield dilemma. How you are not encouraged by this is rather perplexing indeed...& furthermore how you can in fact suggest that Lamps only puts in a decent performance every now & then is truly beyond me. Not a single player on this planet has a blinder week in week out - that includes Messi & Ronaldo - & most of our team in general have been fairly inconsistent throughout this season, obviously some more so than others. But the simple fact is that he has been one of the most consistent players on the globe over the last decade & when he (along with JT) is on the pitch & performing - it truly does take the team to a different level. It is not an illusion, it is not simply 'experience' or any kind of faux-dependancy on them as you suggest - it is simply because we truly do rely on them as the world class players that they are, & the confidence it instils in the rest of the team having full knowledge & awareness of this. It is because, at the end of the day, we need them far more than they need us. & that is why it would be a disgrace to dicard a player like Lamps for the sake of these 'long-term aspirations' that have no actual guarantee of bringing any kind of success. You don't build a trophy-winning team in a day, or a week, or a month, or even an entire season - it just doesn't work as was so painfully evident when AVB tried to pull that amateur bullshit last season. It takes time & patience (& a fuckload of money) to do that. Eventually, when the likes of Lamps & JT & Cole & Cech do become liabilities to the team & to the club, I am sure that they will be the first to recognise it & call it themselves, because of the respect & humility they have as players who actually care about their fans - & I am sure that by that point there will be others who will be able to fill their boots adequately at least in some aspects. But right now, at this moment, & for the forseeable immediate future - & it certainly doesn't even take a die-hard Chelsea fan to see this - their numbers definitely aren't up yet.

Mate, if you're only going to pick & choose minute phrases out of that entire wall of text that I posted - seriously - just fuck off. I quite clearly made the point that it is not on reputation/sentimental value alone that he deserves a contract - it is based on the player that he still is today. I know that he is not the same player he was 5 years ago, no one is claiming that & in fact I said that much but conveniently you didn't bother to quote that part. But he isn't exactly a shadow of his former self either, he definitely still has the technical prowess, vision & composure that he has always had, even if he doesn't have the legs that he once did. The fact is though, that pace/pure running ability was & never will be the focal point of his game - so it is ultimately irrelevant. Especially so when he has a midfield partner such as Luiz who is relentless in his desire & hunger for the ball. & I really don't know where all of you are getting this 'inside scoop' on contract negotiations, but how exactly is it that you happen to know what Frank is asking for? I would imagine that is relatively classified information available only to the player & his agent & the club...but maybe you know something that I don't? & maybe you don't realise what Lamps makes for the club in terms of merchandise sales too - him & JT are easily the best selling prints - & though it may be minor in the overall annual revenue compared to gate sales, profit is profit & they make it on a daily basis with their names alone. Nevertheless, I'm sure that if push comes to shove, at the end of the day Lamps will have no problem taking a slight pay cut - but a significant one? That would be insulting to him as a player & a servant to this club. Business or not, it is a matter of respect & even Abramovich is able to grasp that concept of humanity. Again, he may not be the player he once was - but he's still certainly one of the best around & there would be many a top club more than happy to have him in their ranks - I'm just not sure why you aren't? It's great to think about the future & all, but the way you speak is as if a player like Lampard is a dime-a-dozen average run-of-the-mill midfielder who comes & goes - when in reality, he is indisputably irreplaceable & I guarantee that none of us will ever see a goal-scoring midfielder as complete & inspiring as he is any time soon.

Well to be honest, even though I think his perceived weakness defensively is vastly over-exaggerated by his detractors considering he does get back & make tackles a lot if you actually watch him for an entire game, he doesn't need to be particularly exceptional in a defensive capacity with a genuinely solid & more-than-capable defensive player in Luiz alongside him - last time I checked players like Gerrard/Modric aren't exactly the greatest defenders either; but that's why they ideally have a partner in there (Lucas/Alonso/Essien/Sandro etc.) who can make the challenges & break up the play. It's even more of an advantage that Luiz happens to also be a brilliant player in possession - & this just might be the best midfield partnership we have seen for a few seasons, it definitely holds a lot of promise, surely you can see that much. But yer none of us can predict the future, so we shall see how that pans out against more proficient opposition in the coming weeks with Norwich/Everton/Swansea/Arsenal on the horizon. From today's performance however, you would have to be a fool to believe he doesn't still have it in him to perform at the highest level for at least a couple more seasons. It's also rather contrived to attempt to justify your reasoning with a 'business perspective'. How you can actually think of Lampard in such a way is astounding. It is not purely for sentimental reasons alone that we should give him a new contract, he is not a statue to be paraded around the Bridge just to give us a little inspiration when the younger guys get all emotional & stroppy - & he's not some old hairy grey welshman/ginger midget that makes a half-decent cameo every now & then - it is because of the player & talisman that he still remains today, especially despite his age. If he was truly in steep decline & actually losing the traits that make him the player that he is, then of course sensibility would prevail over any kind of blindly sentimental value - but that is simply not the case here. He might not be the exact same player he was 5 years ago, but he's still Frank fucking Lampard - & he is still one of the best midfielders in the world. Do you think Madrid would have ever let Zidane simply walk away at 34 just because he was 'old'? I'm pretty sure Perez along with most Real fans would have rather died than let that happen. Likewise do you think Gerrard is ever going to be let go by Liverpool due to 'business reasons'? Fuck no. That would be complete & utter madness in every sense. It is more likely for the world to end than for that to actually happen. & yet Gerrard in fact hasn't been performing to his very best in recent times, whilst being injury prone for a number of years - but does that change the fact that he is indispensible to Liverpool? Not one single bit. That is the kind of situation we are looking at right now, except that Frank is even more deserving than the aforementioned individuals - a genuine bona-fide legend who has earned the right to anything he wants in reality considering what he has given to his club week in week out for the last decade - being dismissed & discarded as some kind of unwanted has-been; when he is quite clearly the furthest thing from that as evidenced none more blatantly so than in today's performance. If anyone deserves a contract extension as an exception to the supposed 'rules & policies' for older players at the club - it is Frank. Right alongside Cech, Cole & Terry. All 4 of them are still constantly proving all of their doubters wrong every single season & all 4 should be Chelsea players as long as they continue to perform as consistently & outstandingly as they have done for this club over the years. This is in terms of the football that's played on the pitch, as well as & their presence in the dressing room. They are legends for what they have done in the past - but they continue to be 4 of the best players in the world because of what they are still doing today in the present - as well as what they still have left to contribute to the immediate future. Tell me something...after letting Drogba walk out the door this summer, can you honestly say without any kind of deception or deflection, that it was not a massive mistake to let him go & that we would not have been so much better off if we still had him this season? Because I find it simply implausible to believe that coming from a true fan of this club who has been watching them every week for years & knows exactly what these legendary world class players bring to the pitch when it matters most. We are quite literally a different team when we are missing JT & Lamps - the stats alone prove that - but you can see it on the pitch too. Of the two however, Lamps is the one we miss most because of his ability & talent, & the importance of having that in the middle of the park. It really doesn't make sense under any kind of circumstances to allow a player of his class & calibre to just walk away when he is quite clearly still the heart & soul of this team even with the everchanging faces around him. Look, if you don't agree with me, that's fine - you're entitled to your own opinion as much as I am to mine - but from my point of view I just can't possibly fathom how you are unable to see that Lampard deserves at least a 2 year contract to reward him for all that he has done for this club; if not for his exceptional ability & inspiration on the field that is still there to this very day. Maybe it didn't tug on your heart-strings as hard as it did mine when he smashed in that absolutely sublime sumptious half-volley today & came off to a standing ovation to celebrate an unbelievable accolade & achievement with his best friend - but for me, the mere sight of it brought emotions too powerful to even put into words - it truly encapsulated exactly why I love this game, why I love this club, & why I love Super fucking Frank Lampard.

Exactly. It's great to see Luiz clicking so perfectly in that position as well, that should truly be considered his optimal place in the side every week. But even better was the manner in which both he & Lamps controlled the game from the middle of the park. That's the major aspect that I have to admit Rafa finally got right - it's exactly what I wanted to see & I guess he delivered in that sense, as did the players. They were quite literally everywhere today & for me they were easily the two best performers on the pitch aside from Hazard's exceptional last 30 minutes. If he endeavours to maintain that partnership of two incredible ball-playing individuals at the heart of the team along with giving Oscar the nod ahead of Moses on the majority of occasions, then at least he will gain a few points in my book in terms of reverting back to a more adventurous attacking style reminiscent of his Valencia days. Like I said though - he's still a fucking cunt - that part's never going to change unfortunately.

I admittedly & begrudgingly give credit to Rafa today for selecting the best team (besides Moses where Oscar should have been) - but in reality the rest was down to the players putting in an all-round exceptional performance against inferior opposition. & as spectacular as this win was & as happy & blissfully positive as I ever could be about anything; nevertheless, I want him out by 2013...but at least there is some hope that we won't be dropping too many points til then if he has learnt from past mistakes & decided to go with his best team as often as possible. Unfortunately though, despite getting it right today - the fact remains that he's still a fat spanish cunt. I hope that none of you forget that amidst the ecstasy & joy of this glorious victory.

You just don't get it do you...it is not a single good performance that I base my opinion off of - it is the literal hundreds that he has put in season after season. Are you seriously going to attempt to convince me that he wasn't instrumental to the greatest achievement this club has ever obtained in the Champions League? & even this season, when many claim that he is past it, he had good performances earlier (such as against Norwich) that have been simply forgotten in similar fashion to the fact that he has just spent almost 2 months out injured. It's not really fair to make a broad assessment of a player when he isn't even on the pitch... & now that he has returned, by no stretch of the imagination has he been poor by any standards - & clearly he is regaining both fitness & form as his last two performances have shown. In fact his partnership with Luiz today was the most solid & dangerous that our central midfield has looked for a long time, since the days of Ballack/Essien as his partners in crime - surely you're encouraged by that rather than preferring to revert to the outright inefficacy & impotence of the Mikel/Ramires partnership? Well in any case, regardless of whatever your understanding/lack thereof when it comes to the actual football played on the pitch - at the end of the day, the fact remains that you simply don't dismiss a player of his calibre just because of his age or a minor period of less-than-stellar form - he is indispensible to this club whether you care to admit it or not; & in reality with every post you make you are only further proving your own ignorance & immaturity. It's great that you have an opinion to challenge my own - but when you're going to use the phrase 'Blah, blah, blah' as a retort - well then it pretty much invalidates anything you have to say. But perhaps that is merely a display of your intelligence rather than your apalling attempts at a genuine discussion...only you will know the answer to that...

Well it's not really the first time in a while - he was probably the best player on the pitch against Leeds as well - but I'm sure that went unnoticed to you. & what you aren't really taking into account is the fact that for the period that Lampard was on, Villa were actually still playing like a semi-decent side & actually bothering to defend properly - the flood gates only really opened when they had completely given up all heart & hope after his goal. & what an absolute peach of a goal it was - surely even your blatant bias couldn't cloud your objective judgement beyond admitting that. There are few players in the world capable of exhibiting such class, composure & precision time & time again - & yet Lamps did so once more today for his 130th Premier League goal in his 500th appearance. No sane individual can possibly dispute that kind of record with any plausible validity. Sure, overall the team had an amazing game & additionally Villa were generally atrocious - but nevertheless Luiz, Hazard & Lamps put in particularly exceptional performances from the first minute - & in reality Lampard controlled the vast majority of our possession & direction for the period of the game that Villa were still fighting for. I'm not sure what you're focusing on when you're watching a football match - but if you actually succumbed to your senses & saw what a shift Lamps put in today, then you would have realised that he is a player who is deserving of any kind of demands he may have considering what he has done for this club over the last decade; & what he still can do in seasons ahead. It is YOU that should get a grip mate. He is the best player to have ever pulled on a Chelsea jersey & it's about time that you showed a true blue legend some fucking respect.

Watching that moment when JT congratulated him truly touched my heart Can't wait til they're both back on the pitch together - the title race may yet be over :blue scalf: How any individual who calls themselves a Chelsea fan can actually believe he is past it is entirely beyond me...they clearly have no idea of the eternal legend they are talking about

Could pick any one of Luiz, Hazard or Lamps for MOTM - but for the sheer unreal quality of that goal as well as being his milestone 500-not-out appearance - it's gotta be Frank. This is why I love being a Chelsea fan - because despite all of the shit we have had to endure over the last couple of months - the players came through today & warmed our hearts with the performance of the season at the Bridge. The perfect Christmas present for us lot! Haven't smiled like this watching our team in a long time :blue scalf:

I've been waiting for a moment like this just so I can tell all of you plastic pieces of shit that seem to constantly doubt an untouchable legend due to your delusions of unnecessary perpetual progression - to either realise & accept the degree of your mistaken judgement & feel the remorseful embarassment of having been humbly proved wrong by the man himself - or alternatively if you wish to continue along your path of self-righteous insolence; as politely as I can possibly put this - please kindly go fuck yourself. Frank is the best & always will be - & he is far from done with capturing the hearts & souls of every True Blue around the world. It will be a travesty beyond all comprehension & logic if ridiculous idealistic notions deceive the board into allowing the greatest player this club has ever seen to simply walk away when he clearly has so much more left in him. #Lamps4Life

Challenge accepted. At least you've shown you have half a ballsack, & I commend you for that. But if it means that you're still going to continue gargling Rafa's genital fluids all day then could you please just save us the trouble & leave now? Pretty please, with a cherry on top

Once again, you have managed to diligently epitomise the definition of 'ignorant douche'. You so conveniently left out the rest of that line you quoted which happens to hold the answer to your ponderings - 'As long as it's not Rafa, who the fuck cares?' So assuming that you didn't really bother to actually read, let alone comprehend, what I was coneveying in my previous post - ANYONE. Literally, ANYONE will do. As long as it's not Rafa. & if you somehow still maintain this bemusing belief that there aren't any other managers who would take the job at this current moment - well then no one works just as well in that case. I would rather have no manager & let JT take the reigns as so many have said in tentative jest (regardless if it is an official position requiring qualifications or not) than have this fat fuck calling the shots for the rest of the season. But assuming that's not within Roman's inclinations, well I'm not going to bother giving you pointless names when the list is quite literally endless. It could be anyone from Gus Poyet to Mark Hughes, or any other manager who wants to make the step up or is currently out of a job or will likely be by January. It really doesn't matter - as long as it's not fucking Rafa Benitez. 'I actually think Benitez can get us a top-four position and then I'll wish him farewell.' - & you see, much in a similar manner to what I recall from a response of yours a couple of weeks back, this is where I pretty much disregard any form of credibility you may have once had - simply because it would take either an extraordinarily brave man or an irrevocably ignorant fool to make such an audacious statement. I'm sure you can figure out which of those you are...

Does it actually matter who else comes in? As long as it's not Rafa, who the fuck cares? I find it absolutely baffling that you can still be here supporting him with your self-righteous bullshit - 'in the best interests of the club'. I'm sorry for being so obtusely blunt - but that's complete & utter bollocks. Actually you know what I take that back; I'm not sorry. You know what's in the best interests of the club right now? Somehow getting our shit together & finishing in the top 4 THIS SEASON. I have no idea where your misguided beliefs are conceived from, nor do I ever really want to find out. But I would imagine that I am speaking for the vast majority of supporters around the globe when I say NO ONE GIVES HALF A FUCKING SHIT ABOUT NEXT SEASON AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME. Not when the team that we love is quite literally disintegrating in front of our very eyes; fuck knows about all the shit behind the scenes that we don't actually get to see/hear as well. You can attempt to justify this absurd notion of no one wanting to take the position of being Chelsea manager if we sack Rafa (which is a complete fucking joke to be quite frank) - but the fact is that if we don't even make it into the CL, then you can forget about your dreams of sucking off that Catalonian man-hunk Guardiola altogether, because he's not going to waste his time with a team that isn't even at the very least competing at the top level in Europe. I don't see how you can constantly maintain this disgustingly elitist demeanour & suggestive attitude that you are somehow above the rest of the supporters & that you care more about the club, simply because you 'want what's best 6 months down the line' - & yet you continually fail to acknowledge the situation that is currently at hand in the present, which will ultimately affect our future endeavours more than anything else. It's complete idiocy & pure insolence to disregard what is happening right now just for the sake of some speculated future 'super-manager' that has nowhere near any kind of guarantee to actually take the job - in fact the majority of reports actually suggesting otherwise. Are you honestly going to tell me that you're willing to let this season capitulate into complete shit with that obese cunt in the dugout, purely because you think no one will want to manage the club if we get rid of him? That, my feeble-minded fellow, has to be the most ridiculously delusional load of bollocks I have ever heard. You seem to be forgetting that WE ARE MOTHERFUCKING CHELSEA FC - & we also happen to have a certain Russian quadrillionaire owner to fund our most extravagant ambitions. Do you seriously believe that any manager out of a job wouldn't jump at the chance to take our team to the brink of glory once again - when even failure to do so will result in no more than a pretty pay cheque & an early holiday? & so fucking what if Pep is 'a man of integrity' & requires job security or whatever other nonsense is supposedly part of his desired criteria - I couldn't give a flying fuck about him to be honest - I don't really understand all of the hype that so many on here seem to divulge his name in. Honestly, I would take Mourinho over him every single day of the week til the end of the world...but maybe that's just me?

Seriously - fuck this shit. What an absolute fucking joke. I hope the few remaining Benitez advocates finally realise what a complete & utter disgrace he is to this club & what a disaster it is going to be for our season if we continue to entertain this ridiculous appointment. I'm reluctant to admit it - & it truly does embarrass me to say it...but I actually wouldn't mind one bit to lose at Elland Road if it means that Roman wakes the fuck up & kicks this cunt to the gutter where he belongs. But unfortunately losing to Leeds is probably beyond us even in this dire situation...& any form of victory will undoubtedly restore false hope to the insolent supporters who continue to believe in Rafa's delusional tactics & pseudo-pedigree - whilst it's only going to extend this unfathomable nightmare for the rest of us. Here's to hoping that Roman can find it in his frozen Siberian heart of stone to somehow at least have an inkling of sympathy & compassion for the suffering fans - enough so to give us an unforgettable christmas present in removing this waiter/clown/cunt from our club so that we might actually stand a chance of salvaging the season. In the mean time, as hard as it seems to be right now - just keep the Blue flag flying high boys - it's all that we can do for the moment...

As much as I adore Mata to death...he has had an absolute shocker. Marin/anyone needs to come on because he just hasn't affected the game whatsoever

Oscar on for Moses. Needs to be done. In reality it should've have been done at half time if the fat cunt actually had a clue

In the exact same way that Drogba used to - so for me it is really his duty as a player who is exceptionally strong in the air to be back to help out for set pieces. The duty that he isn't fulfilling however - is putting the ball in the back of the net.

HEY GUYS I THINK I'VE FINALLY FIGURED OUT THE PROBLEM!!! The best defender in our team - is apparently the same guy who's playing up front - http://www.dailymail...fa-Benitez.html! But don't worry, he scores in training all the time... Fucking lol. Think I'm starting to like Rafa a little more already...at least he knows how to make me laugh...

1. Okay, well if you really want to get particular about things, then it's less that he has lost the dressing room - & more that he never has & never will have it. The players will never respect him, simply because he doesn't deserve it. & I don't understand how you are able to connect individually under-performing players to RDM's influence - because he was undoubtedly a significant part of our success last year especially in selecting the correct team & unifying & insipring the team to push themselves to the brink of glory - the players carried us over the edge, but I don't think AVB would have got us anywhere near it in the first place with the manner in which he was spontaneously self-imploding. This season, in my opinion the real issue with RDM was not just in some of his tactics, but also due to the unfortunate occurence of the team-crippling injuries that have afflicted Terry & Lampard. We have missed them both severely during their absence - both in terms of leadership & inspiration, as well as ability & consistency on the pitch - & that has translated in our results ever since. It is beyond the manager's power to perform miracles of instantaneous healing on key players, so I really don't see how that part is his fault whatsoever. What he failed to do however was to address & resolve the consequent issues adequately - & players like Luiz/Cahill/Mikel/& of course our dear Fernando did not help him with that - but not for one second do I believe that the players were not still playing for him as they had been doing. At least not up to the point of the Clattenburg saga - wherein, as we all know, things truly went to shit. 2. Of course you need some luck. In football, luck is an enormous aspect in ultimate success - I don't think any team has ever won a trophy without more than a bit of luck. But the difference between your examples & Rafa is that he didn't just escape from defeat thanks to a sprinkling of luck on a single or even a handful of occasions - it was a constant throughout his entire reign at Merseyside - & continuously outstanding individual performances from his key players dragged his arse out of the gutter when his awfully naive team selections & ignorant tactics would have otherwise all but assured defeat. & yer sure, everyone gets this kind of 'luck' once in a while, it happens - but for the players on the pitch, that's not really completely down to luck - I would rather call it coincidence/skill if I'm being entirely objective since it is due to certain individuals on the pitch being in the right place at the right time or a little moment of magic/amazing display of ability that turns the game on it's head. Rafa was generally 'lucky'/'fortuidous' in the sense that he shouldn't have won many of the games he did based on the questionable tactics that he employed & the negativity it evidently caused within the performances - but in the significant moments of the big games, particularly in knock out competition when the stakes were exponential, his player's passion for the fans & will to win saved his blushes on numerous occasions. His key players made things happen when his strategies failed, which to me, was extremely lucky for him. & nevertheless due to his reliance on the likes of Gerrard & co, when they couldn't quite pull the rabbit out of the hat every week in the league, his team suffered some embarrassing defeats & thus he was never really able to maintain the consistently positive results & performances together for any significant stretch of time. But that's the kind of luck that makes the world go around to be honest - in reality what I was particularly referring to was the fact that a goal, that wasn't actually a goal, was incorrectly judged to have been so - that is the kind of shit that is complete & utter indisputable injustice - & thus pure unadulterated luck for him as a manager - no matter how you look at it. A cataclysmic error in performance on the official's part bailed him out of a match that his team simply shouldn't have won - which allowed them to get to a final that they shouldn't have been in. That's the truth - & assuming that you were a Chelsea supporter back then, you would have seen the exact same thing. It is significantly different to Iniesta smashing home a late goal in extra time or Bayern dominating possession yet being unable to break through our defence to finish off the game - or Drogba putting a bullet header into the back of the net to equalise at the death. That's the kind of luck that I guess I can accept, because it just happens & in reality it is made by the players on the pitch themselves (even if it's just by being there at all). Benitez's incident of fortune that put him in the position to win the CL was artificially manufactured through a grievous mistake, & the worst part is that he took no shame in dismissing & denying it all, as is his usual position on things. That is why he is the luckiest cunt - ever. 3. Well obviously when I say 'the league' I'm talking about the BPL because that's the one that we play in last time I checked...if your first language is Spanish, then I can understand the confusion, otherwise I'm not sure how that wasn't already fairly deducible... But okay fair enough, maybe that wasn't made clear enough on my part - so I'll go ahead & humour your response. He won the La Liga 10 years ago with an incredibly strong Valencia side that had made it to two consecutive Champions League finals in the years prior - they had the likes of Canizares, Ayala, Mista, Vincente, Carew, Baraja & Aimar - all of whom were exceptional players at the time. This was also at a point when Real & Barca weren't necessarily the outright best teams in the league considering how competitive & frankly impressive Valencia, as well as Deportivo & Real Sociedad were back then - they certainly weren't able to dominate their rivals in the same way they do in this current age because those other teams mentioned were just as consistent as they were & had a range of top class players at the pinnacle of their game. Benitez also had a vastly different philosophy back then - because his Valencia side were one of the most attacking teams in Europe - & they could afford to risk such an audacious mindset having one of the best goalkeepers & centre backs in the world along with Baraja dominating everything in the midfield - whilst Aimar was quite simply a wizard going forward, & Carew & Mista were exemplary finishers anywhere in & around the box. That is why he was actually able to string together such consistent results back then, because his team always took the game to the opposition & strived to get goals whilst having an extremely reliable backline to allow for their ambitious nature & absorb pressure against better sides. That Valencia team were good enough to compete with just about any other in Europe at the time, so it is ignorant for so many individuals on this board to suggest they were just some average team in & around Real & Barca that Benitez somehow miraculously transformed in some kind of rags-to-riches underdog fairytale; when in reality they were right up there with them & had been for some time before his arrival. There used to be a genuine top 4/5 in Spain too you know. Anyway back to the point that I was actually making...his Liverpool team took up a very different tactical approach because of the intially poor results that he experienced early in the season. & although they may have excelled in cup ties throughout the season, where in reality the objectives of his strategies were 'not to lose at any cost', they were really rather poor in the prem & that didn't actually change apart from the one season that he got close enough to get a sniff of Manure's arse. This is because you can't rely on conservative defensive ideals & encouraging & allowing opposition to pile on the pressure & dominate for long periods of the game over an entire season; & expect to win the league. 4. Of course not having an in-form striker is a massive issue - but the real problem is the way in which we haven't resolved it - & that is not going to change until at least January due to Abramovich's reluctance to give up the ghost on the shadow of the player Torres once was. Even I still hold the admittedly desperate & futile hope that he can find some kind of form in the near-future - because I've always loved him as a player since I sat in the stands of the Vincente Calderon & watched him score a hat-trick as a 19 year old captain of Atletico & continued to admire him at Liverpool despite his annoying habit of scoring against us, so it was truly a dream signing for me when he finally made it to the Bridge - however the longer this recently realised nightmare goes on, the less likely it seems it will actually happen. So yer, I think it's overwhelmingly obvious to anyone who understands football in the slightest sense that we need to sign a new striker. But for the situation we currently find ourselves in until then, there is no reason we couldn't, at least theoretically, try something like putting Moses up front instead. I realise it will never actually happen, not in the starting line up at least - but it is an optional solution nevertheless. However in reality, in addition to the fact that Mazacar are finding it difficult to find the same form they had earlier this season - what we are severely lacking is the service & goal scoring capabilities from the heart of the midfield - & yet again, in my genuinely objective opinion at least, it is down to a key component in our offensive play that has been missing from our team since his injury & our dramatic dip in form - Super Frankie Lampard. Once he & JT are fully fit & back in the team - then we may just have a chance of turning this catastrophic shit-storm around. But for now - for tonight - all we can really do is pray to a god that has clearly been absent for us in recent weeks & hope for the best - whilst being prepared for the worst...

What she is saying is that Rafa is a frivolous incompetant delinquent of a manager who has not only lost his mind - but the dressing room along with it. You must be almost as deluded as the paella-guzzling cunt is if you can't see that yourself by now. To be perfectly honest, his footballing ideals & philosophy have never been particularly 'solid' as you describe. At least not in comparison to truly great managers such as Mourinho, Fergie, Pep etc. who understand that winning at all costs is what matters most if you want to get the results that bring success - rather than playing for the draw due to unnecessary over-cautious conservatism. Rafa's convoluted beliefs & methods simply do not induce the aura of confidence & relentless never-say-die attitude that a truly dominant trophy-winning team should possess & exude constantly. He is not in any way, shape, or form an astute or intellectually superior manager - unless you enjoy hopelessly negative strategies that seem to rely far more on individual brilliance & blissful fortune to save his blushes than actual tactical prowess. & so I guess you'll go with the typical 'oh but he won the Champions League/he has a proven record' - & in response to that retort I will gladly tell you that he is the luckiest piece of shit to have ever won anything at all, let alone the CL, considering they shouldn't have even made it to that final at all if justice was in fact upheld in the football world. He basically makes RDM seem like the pinnacle of engenuity, which I'm not going to even for one second pretend is the indisputable truth. You know why he could never win the league? Because the only thing that he excelled at was trying to not get beaten whilst frustrating the opponents into either submission - or rampage - & the only reason his Liverpool team ever recovered from the less-than ideal positions they constantly found themselves in due to this was down to Gerrard & Alonso pulling their shit together when it actually mattered most. & so once again he would ride his luck to the very end & pretend for all the world that it was all of his own doing & was always part of the plan all along - despite the fact being that when his luck has run out on him & he has failed to achieve expectations, it is only the players who didn't perform on the day. Don't think I've ever witnessed anyone spew such an absolute load of shit at press conferences over the years... & seriously - who in their right sane mind would even attempt to make us play anything like Dortmund when they have one of the best finishers in the world to rely on for the majority of their goals in Robert Lewandowski - & we have the massive flapping vagina that is Fernando Torres up front? No one but Rafa I guess.

To be perfectly honest, I would take Grant over Benitez in a heartbeat right now. But both of the fat cunts together? Bloody hell someone please stick a fucking fork in me - I'm done.

The sheer irony in some of your posts is actually somewhat astounding...even at this point when I should really be half-expecting it. Despite whatever the pragmatist in you believes is best for the club to succeed, to simply look past the issues that have occurred off the field in the hope of a brighter future; unfortunately you don't seem to be taking into account just how incompetant a manager Benitez is & always will be. If you truly want us to succeed, as a team & as a club, then you would realise that the first & most vital action that needs to be taken is to remove him from this position that he doesn't deserve whatsoever - & send him back to serving tapas in whatever hole it is that his fat arse crawled out of - before it is too late & he irrevocably fucks up our season even more so than it already appears to have been. That is what every Chelsea fan blaring 'Rafa out' at the top of their lungs desires most at this point being in the severely dire situation we do currently find ourselves entangled in - not just because he is a shit person - but also because we all know that he is a shit manager too & has clearly run out of the luck that carried his Liverpool team through 6 (vastly trophyless) seasons. I think you must be existing in some kind of twisted alternate dimension if you actually think that his 'ability', 'experience' or 'inspiration' (lol) is going to compensate for that & bring us any form of actual success. 'I'm not advocating his presence at the Bridge - I'm pointing out that for the foreseeable future he IS going to be at the Bridge. Those are vastly different concepts. I don't want him there, but he's going to be. I didn't want him to be hired, but he has been. Can you see the difference between those ideas?' - the only difference I can see here is that you are clearly able to accept/support him as our manager for the forseeable future, whereas I absolutely refuse to do any such thing through hell or high water. Maybe you somehow, in your deluded self-righteous beliefs, think that actually differs to advocating his presence - but I really do struggle to find a way or a world where that is true when you have quite clearly & categorically said 'that is why he has my support' along with 'getting behind my team and yes, my team's coach. That is what he is'. If that is not accepting/supporting/advocating - whatever the fuck you want to call it in your book of nonsensical hypocrisy - well then I really don't know what is. & no one is 'trying to change time' or go 'back to the future' to reverse his appointment or anything as outlandishly & illogically intrinsic as you seem to suggest. What's done is done, I don't think anyone is disenchanted enough to believe otherwise at this point, such have been the immediately sobering & humbling effects of the events that have transpired over the last 10 days. Di Matteo is gone & he's not coming back. It's deeply depressing for many of us who believed that he deserved far better, however we have to move on from the past because I don't believe any of us do currently have a time-travel enabling flux capacitor in our possession at the moment. But that certainly doesn't mean we can't influence & alter the future. That is why the fans need to voice their unified opinions at every game & anywhere else they can - because eventually, something has simply got to give. I refuse to believe that Roman's patience is going to outlast the fans' forever. History definitely proves otherwise. If you truly don't want him here - as you seem to keep on insisting despite your relentless contradictory statements - then it is utterly beyond my comprehension as to how you can be so spineless as to simply roll over & 'just deal with it', which is the position you seem to be encouraging. & I definitely don't approve of that. I would have thought that an individual who has such an elitist attitude towards supporters of 'modern Chelsea' would at least be enough of a man to actually give a fuck about what is happening to his club & stand up & fight for it; rather than just bending over to 'begrudgingly' but 'graciously' take it like some oh-so-loyal 14-year-old girl who 'accepts'/'supports'(/'points out?') the presence of her fat abusive Spanish boyfriend inside her rectal cavity. You apparently don't like him, hate the idea of him being here - yet you more than easily forgive him for his past transgressions & don't want him to get the fuck out like most self-respecting True Blues would - & in fact you want him to succeed - despite it already being made abundantly clear that he is not going to be doing a whole lot of that with or without the fan's support? All of which you are now attempting to justify by saying that firing him would harm the chances of obtaining a better manager next season? So basically you are willing to accept the disastrous consequences & results that will inevitably continue & sacrifice any potential success of this season; all for the sake of getting Pep/whoever when this nightmare finally comes to an end? I think you must be even more confused about your own beliefs than I currently am... You're quite clearly a hypocrite in every sense of the word & it's just sad if you choose to divulge your time in continuing this pointless charade. You need to make up your fucking mind mate - you can't claim that you dislike a guy (who you have already forgiven where most wouldn't), & publicly voice your support for him in his quest for success - yet entirely refute the idea of employing a different manager when it is clear that the current one is not succeeding whatsoever by any stretch of the imagination & definitely doesn't seem as though he is going to be able to change that anytime soon - not without running us dead into the gutter first. You can't maintain that you want us to succeed, when you are continuing to advocate the presence of the very man that prevents that from even happening & will only prove increasingly detrimental to our efforts to salvage something the longer we allow this maddening situation to go on. So which is it - do you want us to have the worst season in the last decade all for the sake of nonchalantly supporting the club's impeccably disastrous decision, or do you want us to actually get a half-decent manager (& that means just about ANY other manager) in before christmas so that we might actually have a chance of being in Europe next year? You, as a fan, need to decide & align yourself with your true beliefs - because you're confusing the fuck out of me (& seemingly yourself?) with so much of what you are saying & it is quite frankly exhausting at this point to have to continually point out the fallacies that your puzzling arguments are shrouded in. Stand up for yourself as a fan & fight for what is right - if you truly believe in the success of this club above all else - then surely you don't want to just sit here & watch as Rafa's reign unfolds & leaves our club in an unrecoverable situation of complete turmoil that no sane supporter should want us to be in. Or have the rotund spheres between your legs managed to suddenly elude you in the same way that your logic & reasoning seems to have done?