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If you're looking at it objectively, then in reality - he is the indisputable greatest Chelsea player of all time. & that status will be immortalised beyond all plausible doubt once he gets those last 8 goals. To be honest - I believe most Chelsea supporters would find your derogatory views on Lampard far more insulting than being called a pedo, cunt, wanker, or any other obtuse adjective for that matter. You might think yourself a more genuine & superior supporter because of the fact you've been to games for 20 years & you apparently know so much more about this club than the rest of us do - but you certainly don't display half the heart that I expect from a True Blue. Not when you speak about Frank with such chilling dissonance, as if removing all emotional attachment from the situation makes your argument far more plausible & this outrageous decision easier to accept. If you were truly a blue-blooded Chelsea fan through & through - there is no way you could possibly bring yourself to do that. Not when we are talking about the eternal legend that is Super Frankie fucking Lampard.

I never said that was what defined Zidane's game either, that is just you shoving words down my throat. Maybe if you'd bothered to read my previous post in full then you would have realised my full appreciation for Zidane's talent & ability. He's easily the most technically gifted & fluid footballer I have ever seen, & that does him absolutely no justice whatsoever. But neither does the way you speak about Frank, as if he is just some run-of-the-mill English midfielder that pales in comparison to the international class & stature of the legendary Zizou - when that couldn't be further from the truth. You seem to be misinterpreting what I'm saying as usual, which is probably intentional as I have learnt. I'm not saying that Zidane isn't the most talented player to have ever walked the earth, I think someone like Messi has nothing on him in all reality - when it comes down to how impressive players are, no one possesses the same refined poise & composure as Zinedine Zidane did. But as impressive as he was, Lampard has undoubtedly won far more games due to his performances, assists & goals; & that is what matters in football. Call it a difference of opinion/footballing values/whatever you want to call it - but I would honestly take a player that is capable of this over Zidane without a doubt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4LCqNciODk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8NI69nlUw8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mmYEi2jre4 That last bit gave me a nice little chuckle though. I mean, how entirely up your arse does your head have to be before you realise how much of an conceited condescending mug you actually are? Just because you've been going to games for 20 years doesn't make you the all-seeing all-knowing super-fan that you feel the need to convince & remind everyone of every other post. I don't know about clues, since you apparently have some kind of covert ops inside intel at the Bridge if I'm not mistaken - but I do know that I have considerably more of a heart than you do when it comes to this club the players that you claim to 'love'.

Oh really? Well I apologise in that case, because here's a few more for you: & that is just this season...not including the last few wins...when he is apparently past it according to yourself & others. Maybe you don't realise because you are as naive as the paedophile, but Lamps doesn't just make the players around him play better, he makes them score goals & win games when he's in the team. You may hate statistics, but they are merely to keep record of events - if you actually need visual proof due to some kind of conspiracy theory, then as I mentioned previously, you'll be able to find plenty of evidence on youtube or any Chelsea season review DVD from the last 10 years.

LOL Can't believe you're still raging on about your poor pedo feelings being hurt. & 'scum'? Fuck man, that one really stung... Look, if you don't rate Lampard among the names that you have just mentioned, then I don't know how much more obvious it could be. In fact I would have to assume that you don't include Gerrard in that column either in that case, which is equally as ridiculous. It is clear that you regard flair & skills & flicks & tricks above all else - which explains why you don't appreciate Lamps the way that myself & many others do. It is the same reason he is so underrated by much of the football world who will always choose the guy who can take on 3 players at a time & score a handful of wonder goals, rather than the one that can land a 60 yard pass on his teammate's foot 9 times out 10 & provides a more lethal goal threat than all of the players in front of him. The same reason he didn't win FIFA World Player of the Year & the Ballon D'or in 2005 when there was no other coherent decision that could have been made other than awarding him the accolade that he more than deserved. It's nothing but prejudice, all driven by this old-school elitist attitude & it's inherently snobbish condescending ignorance - going by traditional values rather than the ones that actually count when you want to win games. There's no point arguing about who's the better player in our own opinions, because I believe that is entirely subjective - but to say that Zidane is objectively a significantly better player than Lampard? Well that's simply not objective whatsoever.

If that is not a vagrant display of your ridiculously poorly veiled anti-Lampard attitude - then I have no idea what is. Mate, we're not talking about talent here - if you actually bothered reading my post you would have been able to deduce that yourself. In my personal opinion Zidane is THE most talented footballer to have ever played the game. No fucking question. He sent defenders sprawling all around him, & they could still barely get near him - truly was mesmerising to watch him in action at the peak of his powers. Definitely the classiest footballer I have been lucky enough to witness & one of the most memorable. But to say that he had 5 times the talent of Lampard is a wild over-exaggeration, & rather derogatory coming from a Chelsea supporter. If you actually knew anything about football, you would realise that Lamps has always had plenty of talent, his shooting & passing has been exquisite from the start & has only got better, as has his positional awareness & decision making, to the point that he can now read the game like an open book. There's no question Zidane was one of the most stylish & skillful of all time - but the gulf between Lampard & himself is by no means as great as you seem to believe. Flair & talent does not determine greatness in my opinion. In terms of how effective they were on the pitch - I'm sorry but you can't dismiss Lamps as easily as your prejudice seems to allow you. He's scored 194 fucking goals for this club, all from fucking midfield. It's going to take one hell of a player to ever top Frank's record, & he's not even done yet. Although you may find more appreciation for Zidane's aesthetic appeal & artistry - I find considerably more appreciation for not just how you hit the back of the net, but also how many times you hit the back of the net - how many times you can provide the final pass to set up a teammate. That is the point of offensive players - to create & finish opportunities. That is what wins you games & that is what football is all about when it comes down to it. & that is why midfielders & forwards command such extortionate transfer fees. Offensively, as a playmaker, Lamps simply surpasses Zidane in terms of both goals & assists. It's not a convenient coincidence, nor down to sheer luck - that record is there because of the player that Frank Lampard is. As much as you can gush about Zidane, the stats do not lie. Scoring up to 12 goals a season & double figures in assists is a more than impressive haul for any midfielder - but it doesn't even come close to Lampard's five season streak of 20 goals & 10+ assists every season - including an unheard of 27 goals along with 20 assists in 09/10 - the only midfielder in the top 7 hitmen & the #1 provider in the prem; the golden boot winner, Didier Drogba, as well as this club, benefitting directly from that as we laid claim to the first league & cup double in our history. If that isn't utterly world class - then I really don't know what is. During the 5 seasons that Zidane was at Real Madrid - for all of his visionary magic & elusive brilliance, he only won a single La Liga title along with the Champions League in his first two seasons. If you compare that to Lampard's last 5 seasons in which he has supposedly been 'on the decline' in many people's eyes - he has won a double, along with another 2 FA cups & a Champions League medal of course. Take from that what you will, but I know that I would take 5 trophies over 2 whether a player, fan, manager, chairman or owner. Zidane may be able to shimmy, slither & roulette his way around every player on the field as effortlessly as Santi Cazorla goes to ground - but scoring goals wins you games because that's how football is played, & no midfielder is better at making that happen than Frank Lampard. If you're talking about which player I would want in my team if it came down to just the two: I will take efficacy over extravagance every time - & that's not to say that Lamps doesn't have his own brand of extravagance in his locker as well.

You sound like you're blazed as fuck right now - either that or just mildly insane - but that was actually rather brilliantly hilarious. Def deserves a like for commitment & creativity at least lol

I rate Baines massively & have done for many years, there is no doubt in my mind that he is definitely only second best to Cole. However, as magnificent as Baines is going forward - Ashley's defensive ability is unrivalled. Do you remember the CL semis & final against Barca & Bayern, easily the two best teams in the world at the time? Cole was impeccable & managed to keep players like Messi, Iniesta, Lahm & Robben quiet for the vast majority of those matches, which played an enormous part in actually winning us the trophy. I'm not sure I've seen a more inspirational display from a defender in recent times. You could tell he played his heart out in those games - because he left it on the pitch for all to see. I would rather have that kind of quality & commitment at left back than Leighton Baines. As impressive as his constant & rapid improvement & growth as a player has been over the last few years, I don't think he's quite there yet. Baines will have a claim to best in the world if/when Ashley falls significantly below his own standards - but for now - only those who don't rate Cole in any case would choose to make such audacious statements.

What do you mean 'good fullbacks' - Ashley Cole is the best left back in the world & in all reality has been for the last 6 years. You're a complete fool & severely lacking in actual understanding of football if you don't think he deserved to be in the team of the year ahead of Marcelo. The reality is that we need to keep hold of both of them at all costs, because it is just pure insolence to allow world class players to walk out the door for absolutely nothing. There is only more of a focus on Frank at the moment because he has been at the club for almost 12 years & is the greatest Chelsea player to have ever walked out at the Bridge - & he just happens to have hit top form & fitness after coming back from injury, making the club's stance even more perplexing & incomprehendable. Cole is a legend in his own right, but if JT is the current reigning king of Stamford Bridge - then Lamps is the half-blood prince. The fact is that if they don't get what they more than deserve & United manage to sign them both for free this summer, allowing them beef up their defense & invest in a world class keeper with all of the budget they have will have saved - then they are probably going to win everything for the next 3 seasons. I don't know about you, but I'm not really willing to allow two of our best players to just walk away at the end of their glorious glittering Chelsea careers - only for any one of our rivals to snap them up & give them a chance to show us just how grave a mistake we will have made. It is simply illogical in every sense of the word. That is why this entire situation with both of them is so maddening for even rival & neutral supporters, as well as world class players, revered managers & many of the few not-entirely-incompetant pundits. Any club in the world would jump at the chance to have them in their team - apart from their current one it seems.

In my opinion, Zidane is easily in the top 5 midfielders of the modern era - one of the indisputable greatest players of all time. But so is Lampard in my books. There are only a couple straight up midfielders still at it today that I would honestly rate on Zidane's level in terms of the players they have been as well as the ones they still are - which would be Lamps & Gerrard - purely because of their sheer efficacy on the pitch & ability to dictate entire matches when they are at the top of their game; as well as set up & score the goals that decide not just results, but ultimately, titles & trophies. If you said Zidane was the most talented midfielder in history - I would agree without a doubt - he may possibly have been the most talented individual to ever kick a ball in many individual's perspectives. However, considering the fact that at the end of the day, football is really about putting the ball in the back of the net - & seeing as Zidane struggled to make double figures every season while Lamps has done so for the last 10 in a row without fail - you do have to look at the fact that one of the aspects of footballing ability that Frank has never been outdone in by any other midfielder - is scoring goals. I regard that as possibly the most valuable talent of all, because his goals as well as the countless ones he has set up for others are what win you games & they have quite literally carried us through periods of many seasons - & yet in reality that is just a part of what makes him so special. It's also his unique intellect, unrivalled positional awareness, spectacular precision, unbelievable consistency, & most of all, his undying loyalty & commitment to the game & his club. As much ability as Zizou had, talent & flair don't simply trump all of those attributes on the pitch. You can say what you want about stat sheets not reflecting the entire player, & that Zidane's moments & goals were that of an immortal legend - fair enough because they don't show how fluid & seamless he was in possession, or the kinds of passes he saw that no one else would have been able to, along with all of the glorious goals - but anyone who has been watching Chelsea for the past decade knows there is so much more to Lamps than the record-breaking stats alone. & as sweet as that sublime volley against Leverkusen in the 2002 Champo League final was (I went absolutely mental when that flew in since I've always been a huge fan of Real), to this day I am still yet to see a better goal hit the back of the net than Frank's against Barca in 2006. Maybe it escapes your memory since it was over 6 years ago, but I was lucky enough to witness it in person at the Nou Camp while rabid Catalonians displayed their bloodthirst a few feet in front of me as they attempted to rip & climb the flimsy 'protective' netting that was the only thing separating us; so naturally it is carved into mine for all eternity. That night, Frank proved once again that impossible is nothing - it wasn't the first time he had done so, & it certainly wasn't the last. For every magical moment of Zidane's that you can fit on a highlight reel - I can offer you one of Lampard's that I would hold in equal regard & magnitude. For every amazing Zidane goal or pass you can show me - I can show you 3 of Frank's. It is true that Zidane was a legend at both club as well as international level because he led them to world cup glory as well as (losing them) a final - & Lamps has never lifted an international trophy. But the fact is that at club level alone, there's not really any legitimate comparison between them. You can't just dismiss the stats as if they obscure the truth on the field, because when we're talking about something as definitive in football as goals & assists - when that is the very essence of what midfield playmakers are all about - they really just don't lie. 194 goals & 130 assists in 581 appearances for this club - & still counting. Zinedine's still stuck on 128 last I checked... & that is from over 100 more appearances than Frank has made to this day. If those numbers don't mean anything, you should be able to find plenty of visual evidence of them on youtube without much difficulty. As much as saying that Lampard is better than Zidane might be wrong to you - saying that Zidane is outright better than Lampard makes you just as wrong from my perspective.

Well okay, for the benefit of those that require the TL;DR... He's a delusional fuckwit because he is obsessed with youth & radical progression to the point of this prejudice obscuring his objective judgement & additionally tends to go out of his way to defend & consequently convince himself & everyone else to believe in the board's decisions as if they were his own. He attempts to be the constant iconoclast of this forum since he clearly revels in the controversy & enjoys being part of the minority since it provides him with the illusion of exclusivity which caters for his elitist mindset - yet in the end it almost seems like he is more of a puppet than anything else. All in all, just a generally frustrating member with which to discuss more sensitive issues & topics such as this where there is really no middle ground in the matter. Mostly due to his sheer ignorance & constant deflection whenever he finds himself unable to respond to an argument with any valid points of his own - somehow that goes down as yet another victory in his books though so he just pretends like it never happened... Pretty sure it's all just some peculiar superiority complex that an aging man is having to deal with (hence so much discrimination towards senior players of similar years?), but who knows. When he takes such oddly severe offense to what was - apparently according to his convoluted perspective & reasoning at least - a genuine accusation of being something that he's not - well then such a ferociously defensive stance just might suggest he may be a pedo after all. So yer mate, that's what I really mean

LOL. You're still actually going on about that crock of shit? Yer you're really in a position to criticise other's supposedly incessant harping aren't you... So because I used what I view as a fairly commonplace & casually thrown around slur (at least among peers & social circles from the modern age that I have existed in) saying 'you have a penchant for those younguns (winky smiley)' - referring directly & specifically to players who are aged 17-23 & up in this case - that is somehow taken as a genuine paedophilic accusation in your eyes? Even more perplexingly, what you have previously described along the lines of 'the most offensive thing anyone has ever said to you in your life'; which is actually rather amusing since that quite clearly displays your characteristic naivety. & you're still going on about it two weeks later? Fucking jokes mate, absolute fucking jokes is all I can say. Maybe I'm entirely oblivious to the kind of lifestyles & beliefs the rest of you possess, but suggesting that you have an extreme fondness for the romantic ideals of youth players blossoming in the first team (as mentioned by FB, a fetishisation of the promise of theoretical potential if you will), with everything you have posted on this site being more than blatantly evident of it - I don't see how that is even insinuating anything close to yourself actually being a 'child rapist' whatsoever considering we're talking about football players here last time I checked. I'm puzzled at the fact you seem unable/unwilling to realise it was nothing more than artistic license utilised to convey the baffling extent of your radical beliefs in youngsters via a common colloquial phrase that I have heard being used in various situations in real life, none of which were in reference to literal paedophilia in any way. Are you actually trying to convince me & everyone else there is actual malicious intent in what I have said to you? I mean let's be honest here mate, you're clearly a pretty intelligent & knowledgable individual & I'm inclined to assume yourself to be my senior by considerable years - so in all reality I would have thought you'd have been round the block a couple times by now eh? Because I just don't see how anyone besides an actual bona-fide kiddyfiddler could actually take any genuine offense to such a thing, unless you have suffered from abuse personally yourself, in which case I have been slightly insensitive, but shit like that happens when you're talking to strangers you know nothing about over the internet... However, I highly doubt that is the actual case. & therefore, as usual, you have just decided to take any tiny scrap you can find & blow it completely out of context & over-exaggerate it to a preposterous extent - which seems to be an obvious habit of yours judging from the rest of your posts. In this particular case, you simply did so in an attempt to distract everyone else from that fact that you couldn't produce any actual legitimate response to the points I posed in my posts - which seems more like an admittance of defeat than anything else - & I guess you couldn't allow your pride to suffer further so that meant you had to resort to trying to pin this slander & defamation of my character on a phrase that you chose to twist to your own liking in an attempt to recover rapport & save face. & here you still are, 2 weeks later, bringing it up once again as if someone has just taken a massive shit in your sandwich; something that I would actually find somewhat offensive, though also reasonably amusing. Something that I would class as truly offensive & fail to see any humour in whatsoever, is some pretentious elitist supposed super-fan claiming that he knows better due to 'experience' - not just condoning, but in fact encouraging the decision for a living legend & world class player like Frank Lampard to be allowed to walk out the revolving door at the Bridge - all for the sake of his delirious self-prophesised future with his bumchum Pep & his favourite younguns. Yep I said it again; so sue me/report me/whatever your vagina inclines you to do. That will definitely prove how utterly superior you are once again you condescending twat.

Yer it's great that Cahill got to become a parent today as well as having the peace of mind that his team won despite his last minute withdrawal. But it will be interesting to see whether he's going to start too many of the games in coming weeks with JT seemingly on the brink of being back to fitness... But yer I reckon it was Ramires who came in for David Luiz's place in the midfield to be honest, hence why Benitez must have felt the need to play Betrand instead of Oscar/Marin since he was concerned about the vulnerability of our backline & most of all Luiz on the counter attack. Unless he really does just genuinely hate Oscar that much for whatever unknown reason... Because if there is one somewhat redeeming & mildly admirable quality in our fat cunt of a manager - it's that he clearly still holds a considerable degree of admiration for a former opposition player who tormented his Liverpool side season after season & evidently wants to start Frank against the better teams. 6 points off Everton & Stoke away is no small feat in the middle of January when we have been sturggling for consistency - & it is impossible to deny that his performances in those two games made the difference in all reality. If Rafa does somehow end up staying on in a more permanent role, that might just be the one potential perk that would somehow get his fat arse out of my crosshairs for a moment - because if it was up to him alone, he would without a shadow of a doubt play Lamps til his legs won't carry him any further - a point which is quite obviously closer to 2 years down the line as opposed to 6 months if his current fitness & stamina is anything to go by. & if I'm to be honest, I highly doubt his potential successors in Pep or Mourinho or otherwise would let Frank go either if it came down to their decision & nothing else. When world class players & managers are responding to the press with as much bemusement as many of our own fans, that's when Frank Lampard's indisputable quality would appear to seem far closer to being a universal fact throughout the footballing world, rather than a unique isolated opinion.

This +10000000000000. Brilliant way to describe some of the clouded judgement & delusional beliefs held by many in this thread. Rest of the post was great too!

Well judging from everything mentioned in your last post, I hate to imagine the way you speak about the players that you don't love to death... Anyway, I don't believe I actually mentioned anything about you not being a Chelsea fan? I've merely insinuated that you're not particularly knowledgable in purely footballing terms - which could be wrong if you really just have a personal vendetta against Frank since that would make far more sense some of these points that you are attempting to validate. & you're going to GUARANTEE me with 100% CONFIDENCE that this whole fiasco is just about wages? Are you that delusional mate? I'm pretty sure Lamps would be more than happy to take a slight pay cut when push comes to shove - but the fact of the matter is that based on the player that he is, he really shouldn't have to in any case. & what makes you think he won't go to United or Juve when they would be more than willing to pay him similar wages to what he's getting since Fergie (along with I would imagine the majority of managers in Europe) has the brains to recognise how daft the club is being & will not even have to spend a penny on a transfer fee? But yer so your opinion is in fact that he is just not good enough & is nothing more than a squad player? I mean don't get me wrong, you're entitled to your opinion & all, but I am just unable to fathom how anyone who actually claims to love him can actually truly believe that as the genuine truth - not when every rival & neutral supporter is both equally perplexed & enticed by the prospect of one of the best midfielders around being available for absolutely nothing in the summer. I would have to imagine such a unique situation suggests that it's more than just my opinion talking... I mean saying that Lamps is a 'squad player' & deserves 'squad player wages' - that has to be among the most outlandish & outrageous statements I have ever heard. So forgive me if I have come to a rather hasty conclusion in similar fashion, but from that alone I can only conclude that you are not a particularly great judge of footballing ability. Releasing a world class player like Frank on a free transfer? Isn't it enough that we're already the laughing stock of Europe at the moment for reasons irrelevant to this contract saga? He is a first team player & once he is no longer able to earn his place on the teamsheet, then that is when we should consider moving on - not when he clearly still possesses the ability & fitness to control games & score goals against top teams in a way that few others in the game can.

Now you're the one who's trying a little too hard mate... He is not just one of the greats - he is the greatest - & I will think myself extremely lucky to ever witness a player better than himself don a Chelsea shirt in my lifetime. Maybe because you're an older sort of dude you think that the Lampard era is just like any other of those you've mentioned - but it's not, because at least a third of the most successful decade in our history can be directly attributed to his performance alone. In fact, no one has made history at this club in the manner that he has done - as even wikipedia is able to display - 'A three-time Chelsea Player of the Year,Lampard is the club's second highest all-time goalscorer with 194 goals in all competitions. Lampard is one of five players, and the only midfielder, to have scored 150 or more goals in the Premier League. He is second in the Premier League's all-time assists table with 91 assists. He has had over 1400 successful passes and 10 or more assists every season. In 2005, Lampard was voted FWA Footballer of the Year and was runner-up in both the FIFA World Player of the Year and the Ballon d'Or. In 2010 he received the FWA Tribute Award. On 23 December 2009, he was named the Premier League's player of the decade by official statistics.' Which is why I find it utterly perplexing that you don't seem to be able to grasp what an insurmountable loss it will be for this club when we are no longer able to call upon our trusty talisman when we need him most - it's not just for the unbeatable stats, it's for everything in between that the numbers don't show as well. For me, I mean I'm a modern day fan - I've grown up with Lampard as my unequivocal footballing icon & hero. Having watched him week in week out since his humble early days at the club right up until this very moment, there is no way that you can possibly convince me that he isn't still one of the best midfielders in the world in 2013 at the age of 34. Certainly not after the way he played today. The real flaw in your argument however is that you are constantly campaigning for a change in personnel, purely for the sake of change rather than for the actual necessity of an upgrade. It is just a ridiculous notion of yours to want a player of lesser ability & consistency to take the place of a player with indisputable ability & proven consistency - purely due to age. Moving on prematurely from a player who clearly is not in mass decline as you have claimed in the past, one who remains undeniably world class when he is on his game; that's arbitrary madness & nothing more. In terms of current as well as future success, such a proposition is nonsensical & illogical at best. I understand the need to develop & build the new team, but why you are willing to sacrifice trophies for our future team 2-5 years from now is beyond me. I mean you say we will win more titles, & I have no doubt we will - but there is no way we are going to do that in the immediate future by throwing in youngsters next season before they've even begun to reach their prime. So ultimately that is going to mean we either suffer through this unnecessary 'transition period' where we will have a convenient excuse for the lack of trophies - or we have to sign someone else - which knowing Roman's spending habits & discerning taste, is never going to be cheap; & it will certainly cost more than the 7.5 million a year that Lamps is on. & that is why your financial fair play argument is also equally contrived. But come on mate, did you not watch him at his masterful best today? Where the fuck are you going to find a midfielder better than him at the moment, seriously?

Well when you do mention his (incorrect) age in the post then I think it's only fair to assume that it holds some significance to your reasoning, otherwise you surely wouldn't have have done so? I would have disagreed with that statement when we had to play a Mikel & Ramires partnership for the best part of the treacherous 2 months that led to the sacking of RDM & the instantaneous capitulation of our season that has followed - but when Lamps is in there, with an in form David Luiz - I would argue that it has the potential to be one of our most effective & fruitful partnerships in many years. & yet he would walk into the starting line up of almost any other club in the world? Seems legit... I mean mate, from the everything you are saying it seems overwhelmingly obvious that you must either really hate Lampard or severely lack in understanding of the game. Shit, is it both again? Seriously though, the way you are speaking about him is rather astonishing for a supposed Chelsea fan. Simply put, your sole reasoning seems to be based off of the assumption that he is nothing more than a squad player which is based on your belief that he is not good enough. Oh wait, no, that can't possibly be right... So tell me something. Would you call Gerrard a 'top-class midfielder'? I certainly would, & Lamps more than matches him in that sense - somehow despite being 2 years older, he's maintained form & fitness far better. Would you call Modric a 'top-class midfielder'? Again, I would - but Lampard is 6 years his senior & yet there is no genuine case you can possibly put forward to propose that Modric is a better player based on current performance. So I guess two of the other best central midfielders in the world aren't good enough for you either then eh? This is probably one of the more ridiculous things contained within that post. But okay feel free to enlighten me - where exactly are we going to find a player that is better than Lampard at this current moment in time, let alone for less than 7.5 mil a year? Seriously, do you even put any thought into the shit that you're saying? If he does end up leaving Chelsea this season, then United/Arsenal/Juve/Inter or whoever happens to sign him will be getting the absolute bargain of the century. & of the few players in the world who are actually within the realm of Lampard's capabilities - almost all of them are going to cost £20-30 mil+ in transfer fees alone, to go along with their 130-170K a week. Yer bro, that's definitely a way more economical option... When logic seems to elude you entirely - that's what I call stupidity.

That's the thing as well, today he didn't just contribute to the game - he actually controlled it for the vast duration of the match & was the best player on the park. & like you said he lasted the whole 90 minutes with no issue; he definitely seems to play far more like a 30 year old than a 35 year old.

Mate, this is the point - if you don't think he deserves that wage (which he has by no means officially requested unless you've heard something I haven't) then you are either a poor judge of footballing ability or it is pure ageism - or in many cases, even both. He is 34 last time I checked, & he is not this 'bit-part player' that you all want him to be just for the sake of developing your favourite new rising youngsters - who could only dream of living up to Lampard's legacy. He is first team world class quality & that is still undeniable with some of the performances he has put in recently. If these future superstars were actually better than him, they would already be in the team in his place, but they're simply not there yet, & I have no idea why anyone would choose to believe that they deserve a place in the squad for their potential instead of their current ability, over a player who themselves as well as many others will fail to eclipse for a very long time. What's even more confusing is this continuously desperate last resort to compare him to Giggs & Scholes, which makes no sense at all, because they are both 4+ years older & they have lost their consistency along with their fitness due to age finally catching up to them. We are talking about Frank fucking Lampard here mate, one of the most consistent players in the world for the last 10 years who continues to prove his justified place in the starting line up after returning from injury with some truly fine displays without a hint of tiring legs. This has come in a time where we have needed him most - & once again he has delivered. 194 is the number you should be looking at, not 34. Put it this way, would you or would you not give Gerrard/Pirlo/Alonso/Xavi an extension if they were at this club? Because if not, then I can somewhat understand I guess since you clearly must be completely clueless about football, or you otherwise have become entirely disillusioned by your ideals of effervescent youth/too much footy manager. But if you would actually give any one of those players a contract, then how the fuck can you possibly justify not giving the same thing to Frank?

& yet again, when he does choose to play his best team in a potentially tough game, we come out on top. I don't know what he has against Oscar & Marin exactly, starting Betrand instead of either of them was the only questionable call he made, but many of our players showed up with their A-game today so it was proved to be ultimately irrelevant. Even I give Rafa credit where credit is due; today, his team selection was good & the players he picked did the rest. However the issue is whether he is going to revert back to pointless & naive rotation-minded decisions, or finally understand that this isn't Liverpool anymore where a top 4 finish is a luxury rather than an absolute necessity. Luckily the Southampton game is going to be a good opportunity to rest any tired legs if the FA Cup tie was anything to go by, but he simply must learn from recent results & start with as strong a line up as possible (i.e. Torres on the bench). & he just cannot afford to make any unnecessary rotations against Arsenal - that is what I'm really worried about right now...

In today's match - Hazard's goal was absolutely sublime - completely out-of-this-world & with his left foot as well; only possibly runner up to Cameron Jerome's the other week for GOTS so far in my opinion. & Luiz was also extremely solid for the most part & handled Stoke's physical threat really well. But it was none other than Lampard who once again shrugged off the adversity of his critics to put in an all-round awesome performance & what could have easily been yet another hat trick on a different day - a 'Frank' reminder of just how far from done he is at this club for those that continue to illogically debate his abilities & influence despite everything evident within his performances displaying otherwise. I'm sure many will dispute my claims & my opinion, that's perfectly fine & expected. However, you simply cannot ignore the way in which he dictated the game from midfield today & showed exactly why he is arguably the greatest midfielder of the last decade. There are only three words to describe such a player: World Fucking Class. Whether you like it or not, Lamps is going to be fighting for that contract, & for us, with every inch of his heart & soul all the way to the end - so if this is truly going to be his last season in a blue shirt - he's definitely going to make it a memorable one. Some of the things that many of you have said about Lamps in this thread, have been absolutely astounding to witness - & at times, utterly disgraceful. I just simply can't get my head around why any sane & dignified Chelsea supporter would make such an effort to detract from his character & abilities - when every single United & Arsenal fan I have spoken to has told me how unbelievable it would be to get him for nothing, & how mad my club would be to allow such a travesty to occur - when the likes of Pirlo & Gerrard have even come out to publicly voice their own thoughts on how bemusing this situation is. But go on, continue with this absurd ageism & tell me how he isn't good enough anymore - I've realised that I don't really have to respond to that blatant slander purely for the sake of pointing out the fallacies in your beliefs - when Frank is doing all of the talking for me on the pitch.

The correct answer is: E) All of the above

Well obviously my rant wasn't directed at yourself since I agree with pretty much every post you make haha. But to be honest, I imagine that most of us are already well beyond repulsed at this point. I would be more than happy to drown that fat fuck in a tank of sangria if I had half a chance.

Once again - it's the same old story with this absolute fucking delinquent. Played what was for the most part our strongest team & swept aside inferior opponents over the weekend, as was expected - benefitting fully from benching that frivolous 50 mil fool - which consequently restored false hopes in so many of Rafa's advocates who still refuse to accept the reality of his incompetancy & nonsensical philosophies. Only for him to revert back to his complete insolent arrogant best today. To be fair, the starting line-up wasn't weak by any means. However, once it was clear that goldilocks hadn't turned up as usual & the goals weren't going to come from anyone else on the pitch either, he should have done something about it since we were trailing due to an unfortunate mistake, despite dominating the vast majority of possession without much threat of conceding again. So as the second half begins as tentatively as the first with no apparent breakthrough & something obviously needed to sway the game in our favour - what does this acclaimed tactical mastermind do? Nothing. Absolutely fuck all nothing - apart from sitting on his fat fucking arse waiting for his ingenius gameplan to kick into action & provide him with all the plaudits for his exceptional managerial prowess, as he so craves. At least up until he finally realised that his strategy had failed to make any significant impact on the match, in the 70th fucking minute - when he should have made more than one sub & they both should have been on 10-20 minutes prior to that in reality. By the time Lamps & Ba had finally made it onto the pitch, it was obviously far too late to expect any immediate miracles - despite them almost delivering exactly that, only for some ridiculous officiating to deem it all redundant. Once again it is Rafa's ridiculously oblivious naivety & unwarranted arrogance that has cost us a game we simply should have won. As usual, he was completely set upon the idea that his superior tactics & team selection would prevail eventually against a smaller club with little offensive threat - but his reluctance to alter his own gameplan when things were evidently not working out on the pitch has left us in a desperately difficult position that is likely to result in yet another opportunity to obtain some silverware being lost in this sea of madness that has engulfed our season. It's one thing to condemn his past discrepancies & hold his own words against him for the person that he is; clearly some of you feel that is unjustified somehow but I guess that depends on your own history of supporting this club. But when he is so clearly out of his depth & continues to torment us all with his own inherent plague, I just don't understand how you can possibly continue to support him as if it is somehow going to benefit the club in any way. Seriously - how the fuck are some of you still not sick of this cunt yet?

Honestly, Grant is essentially a cult hero in my eyes compared to this obnoxiously ignorant obese fuckwit who's clearly far too busy gorging himself on pre-match paella & sangria to actually bother picking the right team. Can't wait for whatever surprises await us in the line up tomorrow...

So it is only now that you are able to finally comprehend the issue with Rafa's managerial incompetance & general cuntish demeanour - once we've already lost a must-win home league fixture? Lol. Well at least you've finally seen the light mate - & despite our prior history of rather tenacious exchanges & animosity on this forum - I commend you for coming to your senses. Next time you're at the Bridge, I hope you sing RDM's name loud & proud.