Stingray

Mutual aid is brilliant .... Even still now i believe!

That is a very good book!

Owkee. Just call me to get the party started when Armageddon arrives!

I can fix that you know, Choulo

I knew it!!!

Option 1: postmodern bullshitter Option 2: relative rationalist = 2 :heart:

Yeah + bet you like the hash bar in Holland as well :-)

Sorry, no more likes guys ....

Have fun, egalitarian one

I agree .... I really do. It is my ideal situation to put an end to it. Still .... Here in belgium a prohibition on religious symbols is really doing more bad then good on the long run. If i have the choice between deontology or a rational consequentionalism in this matter, it is rational to choose the latter.

You warlord!!

Dawkins would love you in his research group :-) Ps: so would I

You just denied the possibility of tolerance. That is always policy, never fact. In that context your argument is indeed valid. Ps: it is always harder for that group, religious symbol or not. That was my point.

Exactly Nour :-) The policy here is NOT to fall into the trap of meaningless debate of what is or what isn't. Even the french had hat shit going on after he french revolution in which they declared a purely secular state.

Very much like Luiz positionally and physically.... Cb and Cm !

I know there are Hadith, Soenna's and here in belgium - very local interpretations. A vail is not necessary an islamic feature, no? Ps: Let's ask the Turkish after Atatürk ...

That choice is not always an option when you are such a minority - see Amartya Sen interesting approach: he distinguishes 'rights, choices, being able to deal' with having the capability to enforce that very choice, right , .... Which is a whole other ball game! We can choose to do something else, it s much harder for he minority group.... If you are a minority, you simply cannot exercise that right. So - in terms of fairness, what should we do. I say we be a bit more lenient to them. No?

Now that was simultaneous ....

According to Qur'an or those interpreting it .... Which is my point exactly, Nour.

True in principle ... But we generate extremism now because of that. Sharia4belgium/Uk being one of those organisations. The Woolwich slasher guy was connected very much. So .... How important is a display of religion in those marginal cases when a prohibition generates this much anti-feelings. I think it is foolh. The best of Christian-atheist-jewish-muslim living together in history was in الأندلس or Al-Andalus after 750... They still call it the golden age, the tactic was tolerance on religion. The dutch did the same in the 16-17 century and sparking science, trade and philosophy. We do forget what we as a species can do when we forget those petty difference.

Lol. Because I ..... like ..... you all. A lot !

Well ..... Difficult topic. Banning stuff (also in a secular non religious environment) creates .... Things you do not want! Radicalism, fanatics , .... Etc. You can only accept the differences and tackling true rule breakers. It is what we do when dealing with some here as well. I stand liberal. Very much so.

And quite rightly so ....

Well .... We had a restriction on 'religious symbol' in public functions here in belgium. My town now voted against that because we thought free expression is more important. So, the yarmulke, vail, cross .... are allowed to be caried freely for anyone. Everywhere here now. I do like my town. Ps: you would love uni here ....

Belgian women ..... Guess they are a bit like Scottish ones.