didierforever

that is y i am telling u to avoid these torres fan girls..

one poor game? which one? he started one game in COC and got a people. one game in PL and i think we saw what some basic movement of strikers can do.

word of advice - check his username and his photo and u ll probably know he is one of the torres fan girls who would ridicule any1 who gives torres the least bit of competition. just wait and watch how these fellows would go on to ridcule falcao/cavani/villa/any striker we buy in jan if they have even a single bad game.

its too many times to be luck dude. i dont know how those bastards do this but its not just luck.

nathan ake...

southampton away.

open play?

can some1 please tell me how the goal happened. like in detail. please.

a long term observation and that is the only reason i am speaking out. u r extremely prejudiced against marin. he might not be as good as most of us would want him to be or expect him to be but i surely think he is not as bad as u make him out to be. as far as your latest comment goes, it very unfair to marin. he has got no time at all on the pitch and the only match that he did start was leeds in which he was our best attacking player for the first 60 mins.

i am not arguing against that. infact i am all for it. but the point is do we have those kinds of players. no.we are even thinking of selling lampard. so right we dont have an option. our pl squad has 24 players out of which 2 are surely leaving (so 22), 2 are extra goalies (so 20) and romeu is gone for the season (so 19). u need 16 outfield players to choose for a single match!!!

sure. we are loaning him and tell me the squad then please. the main point of mine is OUR SQUAD STRENGTH. which is already weak and would only become weaker. we are not goin to buy any wingers/cam in the winter. if we do it will be stupid after acquiring hazard,marin,oscar, moses in the summer. at max if their is any addition in the midfield it ll be in the pivot. what happens if our players get injured because the way hazard and mata are tackled we can get bad news any matchday. then what? should we not have the cover of having a winger to even come off the bench even if we dont start him. plus as i said before, wat bout resting players? we were just talking about mata and hazard getting rest and the most they have got is to not start but come in as a 60th minute sub. plus i dont know y every1 is getting jumpy bout it? we have sent 30 players on loan, if we dont send one just to have some sort of a cover it wont kill the guy. the way every1 wants piazon to go on loan you would think he was our only youth player who had any chance of making it big. plus as said before if we had wanted to we could have sent him on loan before but dint for a reason.

first of all we are not buying 2 midfielders at max its going to be 1. secondly lucas piazon has been somewhere near the fringes since the last year. so if we had to loan him we already would have. if we can loan mceachran, chalobah and the gang then we could easily have got some1 intersted for this lad too. but we dint. and tht has to be some for some reason. DONT FORGET PIAZON PLAYS IN OUR UNDER-21 SQUAD TOO. plus y is it that youngsters will develop only on aloan spell and not with our own team? and as i have said it before that i dont want him to go on a loan this winter not in the summer.

what are u talking about? we all know how rambo, bert and azpi have worked on the wings. plus y would we want to play them in cup matches when we have piazon. our cup team would seem something like cech, azpi, cahill, iva, bert;rambo, oscar (in the pivot hoping lamps and mikel are the no.1 pair); marin,?,?;torres. tell me who the ? marks are considering mata, hazard get injured and we have to play moses every match along with oscar. i am talking about giving most of these guys a break from football for 2 days. plus tell play how much would an 18 year old develop in a 6 month loan deal. sometimes u need to do something for the team instead of one particular player.

fine we loan him now. now suppose hazard and mata gets injured tell me who we will play? probably rambo and some1 okay? tell me our bench with sturridge and malouda gone (which seems totally likely). letting him go on loan is not an option right now. plus i dont see y he cant play in europa cup against sparta praha? but do agree with u on that he has not proved himself yet but with both rdm and rafa keeping him on the bench in most of the games u have to think that he has that quality. but this winter is not the time to loan him. we are already running thin on the squad and this would be suicidal specially in initial fa cup matches and europa matches.

precisely that was my point... the last 2 games and not "surely and slowly"... anyways i get the feeling that we are saying the same things but u r saying it being pro-rafa while i am saying it being anti.

please no. he has already shown he is good enough for chelsea or atleast to play in CC or FA cup games. he can easily start those games and even give some depth if some1 gets injured. plus a loan spell would mean one of our subtitutes (he does make the bench in most of the matches and that shows that he has the quality). plus with sturridge leaving we would be left buck naked in case of injuries to wingers.

may be not... but u do expect the players to turn up with way more fire than we did in his first 2 games which are actually the toughest opposition he has faced so far. also tell me precisely what we are arguing about because as far as i can remember i quoted u on " we are surely and slowly getting our confidence back" which seemed to me to take our last 2 performances (infact as i said before, our last 135 minutes) in a too big way, when just 2 matches ago (against corianthians) we were horrible. so my point was not to jump the gun.

HAHAHAH... dude that is like saying we lost 3-1 to napoli so any loss which is not as bad would be a good result. we were in a bad moment under rdm plus we had diificult draws (united twice, shakhtar twice, juve, pool, swansea and wba). but the quality of squad we have and with a managerial change i would expect a lot better than what benitez has given us. and its not just in the league. the league was just one point in the argument.

benitez vs mourinho head to head 3 October 2004 1-0 CHELSEA 1 January 2005 1-0 CHELSEA 27 April 2005 0-0 DRAW (UCL) 3 May 2005 0-1 LIVERPOOL (UCL) 27 February 2005 3-2 CHELSEA (CC) 2 October 2005 4-1 CHELSEA 5 February 2006 2-0 CHELSEA 28 September 2005 0-0 DRAW (UCL) 6 December 2005 0-0 DRAW (UCL) 22 April 2006 1-2 LIVERPOOL (FA) 17 September 2006 1-0 CHELSEA 20 January 2007 0-2 LIVERPOOL 25 April 2007 1-0 CHELSEA (UCL) 1 May 2007 0-1 LIVERPOOL (UCL) WON ON PENALTIES BY POOL 19 August 2007 1-1 DRAW so as i see it the head to head record is JOSE 7, BENITEZ 4, DRAW 4.

so we can conviniently forget august and september? infact lets just forget about anything good rdm has done and everything bad that has happened under rafa like the cwc final and west ham loss. lets only focus on the mauling of 16th place aston villa and championship team leeds.

and how many games have we won under benitez? we have gained a total of 8 points from a possible 15 under a new manager which normally sparks the players to perform much better (and we as chelsea fans have enough proof to that). add to that the defeat of cwc final and u have at best an average tenure of 9 games. that is AT BEST.

what confidence are u talking about? the confidence that has lasted a mere 135 minutes right now? has a 8-0 and a 5-1 win over villa and leeds already removed the memories of the 1-0 loss in the cwc final mostly because of his tactical blunders...

fine lets compare their careers then. benitez - 1995-96 : Real Valladoid - sacked after 23 games (2 wins, club last in la liga) - 1996-97 : Osasuna - sacked after 8 games (1 win) - 1997 : Extremadura - helped in their promotion from "segunda division" and the next year got relegated. - 2000 : CD Tenerife - helped in their promotion by coming 3rd. - 2001 : Valencia - He inherited from Cuper a team brimming with potential – with Santiago Cañizares, Roberto Ayala, Rubén Baraja, David Albelda, Vicente and Pablo Aimar providing the backbone to a formidable side that had reached back-to-back UEFA Champions League finals in 2000 and 2001, losing only on penalties in 2001 to Bayern Munich. 2 league titles in 3 years. (no way a poor team by the way) -2004 : Liverpool - one champions league from 2004-10. -2010 : Inter Milan - sacked within 6 months of appointment. Jose Mourinho 2001 : União de Leiria, whom he took to their highest-ever league finish of fifth place after joining the club with seven games left to be played. During his second season at União de Leiria, the team was on a run contesting places as high as third and fourth by January. Mourinho's successes at Leiria did not go unrecognised and he caught the attention of larger Portuguese clubs 2002 : FC Porto (january) : Mourinho guided the team to third place that year after a strong 15-game run (W–D–L: 11–2–2) and gave the promise of "making Porto champions next year." In 2003, Mourinho won his first Primeira Liga with a 27–5–2 record, 11 points clear of Benfica. The total of 86 points out of the possible maximum of 102 was a Portuguese record since the rule of three points per win was introduced. Mourinho also won the Portuguese Cup (against former club Leiria) and the UEFA Cup final against Celtic, both in May 2003. In 2004, the team was dominant in the Primeira Liga and they finished the season with a perfect home record; they secured the title five weeks before the end of the season. Porto lost the Portuguese Cup final to Benfica in May 2004, but two weeks later, Mourinho won a greater prize: the UEFA Champions League, with a 3–0 win over AS Monaco inGermany. The club had eliminated Manchester United, Olympique Lyonnais, and Deportivo La Coruña and their sole defeat of the competition came against Real Madrid in the group round. 2004 - Chelsea : EPL and league CUP. In 2005 - EPL In 2006 - League Cup and FA cup. 2008 : Inter Milan - serie A 2009-10 - TREBLE 2010- MADRID - 2010-11 - copa del ray 2011-12 - la liga. and u still want to know why we want one and not the other. do u even believe what u are saying urself or r u just arguing for the sake of it. Mourinho is a LEGANDARY coach who has acheived success in every club he has coached and damn big successes they have been. as for your madrid argument i have already given u a post which i think u missed or just refused to acknowledge so please stop trolling and putting useless comments.

precisely the reason i told u to forget it. if we had won yesterday and torres had not scored these guys would hardly be celebrating plus arguing with them makes us hope bad things for torres so seriously drop it.