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He did nothing wrong there. That was on Noni and fundamentally on Poch for a lack of organization

This stat validates what I have been saying and observed. It is usually against the lowly teams. They start the game with low presssing and intensity. Get into halftime, their manager lights a fuse up their backsides. They come out with energy, pressing us and dominating while we do not respond because pressing is a team effort and our team have not been coached to or instructed. Added that to the complete lack organization where our players are marking space and not people - the opponents have the time and space to make their lack of talent, compared to ours, count. It happens almost every game. It is insane. It happened yesterday for recent memory. The only difference is we drew rather than lost the game. And some losers would call that a solid point.

Story of our season playing these lowly teams. They allow us to play by not pressing and with a low intensity and we shade the play. They up their intensity and start pressing and disrupting us and we do not respond by pressing back and disrupting them because the coach has not organized the team to do so then we fall to pieces. Instead the clueless coach keeps on substituting players as though they are the ones letting the team down. He has been substituting players all season with the same listless performances. At what time would he say this is insanity..

Didn’t say a choker. Though he did catch lightening in a bottle with Leicester that season - not that he was ambitious. When Roman came in and we bought all our players, all we heard from him that season was how it was a young team (ring any bells?. Some people have bought into that) and needs time. Roman brought in Mourinho the next season and showed what a winning mentality could do.

A Claudio Ranieri…. A specialist in depressing expectations.

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Thank you. They are so lost they do not see it. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again. And when the players come good they instantly forget all the invectives they spewed at them.

Excuses keep on being trotted out. Providing examples of where it has worked just bounces off and is ignored. Just steadfast in beliefs.

It truly beggars belief. I guess some people enjoy pain and not being No.1.

Sure it may be lacking however - as I have previously pointed out - when we had the greatest collection of leaders in our team - JT, Frankie, Drogba, Cech and Cole… they were still helpless under the management of AVB. When players have bad management, like our present, they are fighting uphill.

Haha. I called it. The excuse is in your post. P.S Xabi Alonso did not need a preseason for his team. They started winning immediately. There are many other examples of high impact, no excuses managers. Our players are carrying your Poch.

I am pretty sure if we do get a competent manager next, the argument - to save face - would be that the players are now a few months older and as such have miraculously become the talents we knew they were when we bought them.

You seem to have a difficult time keeping up with arguments. The argument here is that managers have a very significant effect on the players performance and can do so instantly. I have stated evidence and examples to buttress my points. You seem to be on the boards to play block and tackle for Poch. P.S I don’t mean to be harsh. From your other posts you seem an alright guy.

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In fact that game gave a bright spotlight to the effect a manager can have. We went from lifeless under Potter - to a great game vs Liverpool (when we were expecting a thrashing. We matched them toe to toe) under Saltor - to IMMEDIATELY going back to listless under Frank the next game he took over…. Night - Day - Night Anyone who doubts should go watch the extended highlights of those 3 games.

Ian Maatsen went immediately to win young player of the month. Pulisic and even Ruben Cheek are playing well at Milan. Under good management these players would flourish and that is when to properly judge them. We have been desperately unlucky with having Frank, Potter and Poch in as mangers in succession. Get a good manager and watch these guys perform to their talents and above.

Yet - yet… Xabi Alonso took over at Leverkusen second from bottom with a quarter of the season played and has broken records in his second season. All what has been seen is stagnation and regression.

Our best game last season was the one vs Liverpool - only game managed by Bruno Saltor.

That is the value of a top line manager - he gets the whole (team) performing above and consistently than the sum of its parts (players). With the resources at hand, Poch should be, pound for pound, in the bottom 3 managers in the Premeir League. The rest of the managers would be doing better with the players we have at our disposal. Our players have been carrying this guy as his methods put them at a disadvantage.

You have touched on an interesting point I have considered to an extent. Even though I cannot rate the level of fitness either being excellent, fair or poor, what I have seen is that you cover LESS ground - as such conserve fitness - by pressing. If you work a little harder to remain relatively close to your opponent to deny him time and space by pressing, it is better than letting the opponent get control of the ball, turn and start running at you or you trying a recovery run… This has been the most important reason why Poch’s team has been failing - why we were outplayed by a bunch of kids - is we allow the opponents to play by our lack of intensity and pressing while they do not let us play because they press. My previous game analysis posts always highlights this. He has not organized a top class press ALL SEASON. It / He is a joke.

It was just our very last game - the Man City game - he made substitutions that handed the initiative and the game completely to Man City with 20minutes to play - rather than play toe to toe - that led to their equalizer. Is it any surprise he has given the initiative away in the very next game - against inexperienced kids? The man is a loser and a footballing dinosaur. He has no place in top flight modern football.

I agree. They have given the managers they have hired a relaxed environment…. Telling them of 4 - 5 year timelines for success. That is why the non-winners like Potter and Poch look relaxed as they perform mediocrely because “Afterall, I have time - the owners said so”. If they were fans like Roman was - they would watch the games and know the fans are suffering and would have made changes.

Nonsense

Too funny. We have Endo, Elliott, Gravenberch, Bradley, Adrian, Gomez, Tsimikas, Clark, McConnell, Koumas, Danns, Quansah, Nyoni of Liverpool giving our multimillion pound team a game and some people say our team is inexperienced and young that is why they underperform. Alex Ferguson made the likes of Nicky Butt, Darren Fletcher, Park, Gary Neville, Dennis Irwin look like world beaters - just like Klopp does with his players Who has this coach improved?

Yep. Just like Harland was marked by Chillwell - on a set piece - in the Man City game… What “management” is that?