YorkshireBlue

🤣 I love this playing players out of positions but offer no substance to the argument as to why. Which players are over weight?

Tbh caicedo has done some incredible passes and some atrocious ones aswell, but this is the whole problem with the team it's very inconsistent, if we got completely out played tactically and system Vs system wise in cases like these I always blame the manager, but stuff like missing 5 clear cut chances and players passing the ball like idiots and constantly giving it away, I blame the players, managers can come up with a plan and a system and an idea of what to do in the game, but player errors can instantly dismantle that within the first minute of the game. If we was consistently shit fair play, but we aren't some matches we are brilliant others we are total dross, if this was entirely on the manager we would be complete dross every game.

Kante wasn't a great passer but he did what he needed to very well, I'd take a prime kante all day long, if your recruiting is right you can get the destroyer in and the passers, city don't need the destroyer because they constantly have the ball, but not having one has damaged them in some games as well.

I'm not to arsed about the passing, he should have players around him to do that stuff, I want him doing what we should be doing best which is winning the ball back or closing lanes, as far as the post above, I think poch could actually do well with a team of decent players, if he could get us playing like his spurs team, I wouldn't have no issues at all, there were ruthless aggressive and played very good football.

See that's the one argument I'd deffo make against Poch, caicedo is been asked to do far to much and is been relied on far to much, what he does well gets completely overshadowed by the mistakes he's basically forced to make.

Didn't Enzo have alot more experience around him last season compared to this one? You have done an entire 360 and come back to my actual point. So we are no better position wise really than last season, but we have lost the likes of kova jorgi Kante Reece James (injury) rlc azi, the entire back bone of the squad as it were, and replaced it with kids.

So that wasn't potters fault? Potter had him playing well?

Every one wanted jorgi gone since sarri left tbh, and rudiger did improve in a 3atb system what's your point?

No one saying he didn't do a good job, but like most it quickly died. Di Matteo comes to mind

They hired Rodgers with no track record, so that's not true at all.

Tuchel had us playing absolutely horrible with a champions league winning team, comparing that team to this is not even comparable

Palmer is a decent player but he's no way near proven quality, he cuts inside and goes backwards more than he goes forward and let's be fair with out his penalty goals his games to goal ratio is nothing good.

No Liverpool gave him 7 season because he brought a project to them and they liked it and didn't fire him the instance something didn't go right.

Although i disagree with you, before Aston you would cry is we got uni as a manager, and especially with David Moyes and Eddie Howe, so to you they would be trash managers aswell yet are still higher than us, so you either saying Poch is worse than David Moyes 🤣 or there squad is better 🤷 which one is it, also strange how you didn't say wolves, but I suppose they did slap us twice.

No that's where you are mistaken, a good team burrys them chances and doesn't waste every single one.

I'll ask you the same question, out of the teams above us, which squad is worse than ours? You are right though I can't compare.poch to klopp, klopps had 7 years to mold Liverpool into what they are, our gaffer has had half a season, sorry that was stupid on my part.

Which team above us is our line up better than? And clearly it wasn't, we lost, we had the best chances and missed 4 sitters.

Pochs first season reached a cup final and European football is not impossible either. People thinking he will turn it round isn't half as delusional as people who think this roster as it stands is good enough to win trophies and achieve top 4 🤣

What do you base this off?

Yeah it's amazing what a team can do even with thier best players out when a manager has been there what 7 years? Imagine having a club run the same way for seven years! Every one knows exactly what the style is and the standard, mean while our fans are still calling for a new manager every six months and wonder why we are never consistent. It's a real head scratcher.

How can I be lowering standards? I'm just a fan, I just don't sit here saying we are better than what we are because ATM we are not, and I don't put it all on the manager.

But by your own words if we hired some one good we wouldn't need patience lol, some of our patterns of play have been excellent, our problems happen when teams just put 11 men behind the ball, these players have all come from terms bar maybe Palmer, where they have never had to deal with this before, experience comes from playing and the more they play and the more mistakes they make the better players they will become. Poch was never brought in the win trophy's and we all know it, poch has been brought in to mould these young men into a team and create a solid foundation. You can't win trophy's with a young team like this, think it's time we all started accepting that.

@lucio don't get me wrong I don't think poch is world class, but I saw what he did to that spurs team and how they played and it's nothing like we are seeing here. So from that basis I know what he's trying to do, problem we have is these players don't have the experience to know, when to move up when to go in or side deep or switch sides, you can see it in our play! So much seconded guessing. And an inexperienced team couldn't carry a decent manager, and there lies the problem. Change the manager and we have the same issue time and time again, first we need to get a well balanced team, the recruitment and injury department have been below par, far below. And I'm not sure about setting up the team up poorly, because lol at our bench lol we have fuck all.

TBF Jacksons looked twice the player on the left, chilwell I agree with but we need some experience in the team and when he's properly fit and onit he can be one hell of a player.

But there stems the problem, your using bad manager and a team full of inexperience in the same sentence, all the manager can do is set the team up and these players need to gain the experience, once they do it makes any managers job easier. You give the best joiner an apprentice and see what you end up with as a final cabinet for example, then give the same joiner an experienced joiner the difference is night and day, it's the exact same in football