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Swoopz

Bertrand Traoré

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Nope.. definitely not doing good at Ajax

 

It's an article about Frank de Boer's brother Ronald saying Ajax should sent Traoré back to Chelsea in January...lot of Ajax fans agree with that and I understand why because he is in very poor form. 

Google Translate for those who are interested in reading it. No doubt Chelsea and Conte keeping taps on him...if he keeps on like this he's a goner. 

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On 11/3/2016 at 10:53 AM, the wes said:

Bertrand Traore, 21, who is on loan at Ajax, is not in good shape, according to the Dutch side's head coach Peter Bosz.(Voetbal International - in Dutch

He's a talented player but I feel bad for him. 

He does relatively well for Vitesse in 2 seasons, the club rewards him with a fringe first team role, he makes 10 appearances, then the new manager comes in and he's told to go back to the same league on loan..

At least send him to a more challenging league (like Bundesliga or Spain or France)..

 

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On 02/11/2016 at 11:53 PM, the wes said:

Bertrand Traore, 21, who is on loan at Ajax, is not in good shape, according to the Dutch side's head coach Peter Bosz.(Voetbal International - in Dutch

He shoulda  left us in pretty good nickk being with us under Conte pre season and playing the end of last season.

I really do think he would make a really good LWB with his speed,good in fedence and aw a MF Specially with a good left foot. ,But hindsight is wonderful.

It would be worth trying him out ast it next pre season, We will need good depth for Europe.

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22 hours ago, Unionjack said:

He shoulda  left us in pretty good nickk being with us under Conte pre season and playing the end of last season.

I really do think he would make a really good LWB with his speed,good in fedence and aw a MF Specially with a good left foot. ,But hindsight is wonderful.

It would be worth trying him out ast it next pre season, We will need good depth for Europe.

He's definitely not a defender. Always been a forward. Not the greatest defensively either. Would only consider him in that Pedro role tbh. 

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59 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

He's definitely not a defender. Always been a forward. Not the greatest defensively either. Would only consider him in that Pedro role tbh. 

I bet till a few shorrt weeks ago you woudnt have dreamed Moses be  so good wwhere he is tho. Im not saying as 1st choice but I think it would be good for a trial pre season.

Personally Id rather buy a player who has trained to do the job at the highest levels.

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He seems to be playing really good since he was moved to RW position. I think this is best position for him in our system because of his very good left foot. 

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On 22/11/2016 at 4:25 PM, Chelsea-Ajax said:

Hi Guys, 

I'm a Dutch Ajax fan who also follows CFC quite closely and I wanted to give you a little update and more of an in-depth review of Berto's performance at Ajax.

The first couple of games Bosz played him as a central striker and it became painfully clear that he is not equipped to play in that role in a side that dominates the play and needs to create chances in small spaces. He let defenders run circles around him, couldn't win any of his duels, couldn't hold up the play and, most importantly, couldn't get on the end of chances. Every time he got the ball he either lost it, or needed to drop back past our attacking midfielders. Still, on a few occasions, you could see that special something that he has where he glides past defenders or quickly makes a turn around defenders. 

At Vitesse, he played as a central striker and performed well, so why couldn't he do the same at Ajax? When he was at Vitesse, the chances he got came forth from counter attacking football, where he could run at defenders in loads of space. At Ajax, where the opponents in the league just let you have the ball most of the time, he needed to play with his back to the goal and that just doesn't work for him. This is illustrated by the fact that his only goal playing as a central striker for Ajax was the result of a counter attacking move against Panathinaikos in the Europa League. 

Then came the game against Go Ahead Eagles, a newly promoted side in the Eredivisie. Peter Bosz wanted to try something new and started Dolberg, who performed really well in preseason. Berto started on the right wing ahead of El Ghazi. Berto had some very good attacking runs and one of them resulted in a penalty. Since that game he has played all his games on the right wing.

There are still a lot of aspects of his game that needs improvement if he wants a future as a winger at Chelsea, or even at a club like Ajax. First of all, his lack of awareness of the opposition when the ball is played towards him. He simply doesn't know where the defender is and looses the ball in a very childish way. This happens quite a lot. If he learns to watch his opponent and use his body to cover the ball this problem is gone. Second of all, his game lacks depth. With the pace he has, he should make more runs behind the opposition's defense, with a player like Ziyech behind you, the ball will be played to you at the right time and with the right speed, so no excuses there. Last but definitely not least, his finishing is just plain shite. He gets an average of two one-on-one's in a game and scores not even half of them. This may be related to the fact that his style of play is very careless, if that's the right way to put it. He seems to think too easy of the game and this results in very poor finishing, but also in loss of possession and bad passing.

This carelessness is the reason why the media in Holland and a lot of the Ajax fans want to send him back. They seem to forget that this guy is only 20 years old, still needs to learn a lot and also needs some time to adjust. This carelessness is also the reason that I personally hate him and love him at the same time. Sometimes it results in chances, assists, goals or just beautiful attacking moves. However, most of the time it results in loss of possession. If he somehow figures out when he can and needs to look careless and when he needs to concentrate on keeping possession he definitely has potential.

Here are the highlights from Sunday's game, where he scored once, but needed to score three or four. One of those chances isn't even shown in the video.

https://youtu.be/cfDXzaR_03w

It somehow doesn't want to embed it, but I hope it will show up ;)

As you can see, there are no excuses for Traore. Ajax plays well at the moment. The central striker Dolberg drops deep quite often to create space to run in to for the wingers, midfielders like Ziyech and Schöne are quite good in playing through balls and because off the high pressure from the back four Ajax retrieves possession in promising areas of the pitch, which resulted in a goal for Berto.

I read that some of you wanted to try him out as a wingback. IMO, he definitely has the work rate for it. He always tracks the run of the opponent's fullback. I doubt however if he has the eye for positioning that is needed. A wingback needs to prevent the opposition from creating a two against one scenario on the wing, the main tool for this is anticipation through positioning and I doubt Berto's abilities in this. Look at that dangerous shot from distance from Sunday's game. He did track back really well, but then he shifts his position, because he only has eye for his direct opponent, and the opponent has some space to line up his shot. A good wingback wouldn't let that happen IMO.

I think the judgment of Berto in the Dutch media is a bit harsh. He is fitting in better and better and with players like Ziyech and Dolberg in the squad he is bound to become a better player than he was or would have been if he sat on the bench at Chelsea this whole season. Also, his direct competitor for the right wing spot El Ghazi is under performing and recently has been punished for bad behavior, so he will keep his spot at least until the winter break. If he keeps improving like he does he will be a better and more complete winger than he was before joining Ajax. My hopes are that he will improve exponentially. If that is the case, and his next loan spell would be at a Premier League side (this has to be one of the better ones! One that always wants to dominate possession!), he could become a decent Chelsea winger. If he doesn't improve exponentially, but at the same rate he does now, I am afraid (not really, it is still a decent level) that Ajax is the best he can get so to speak.

That's all I had for now, hope you guys liked it. And sorry if there is any bad English in there ;)

If there are any questions about Berto, Ajax or other Eredivisie players just let me know.

I enjoy that read what I seen of Dolberg he seem like a very good player at a young age do you think he has the potential to be world class?? 

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I enjoy that read what I seen of Dolberg he seem like a very good player at a young age do you think he has the potential to be world class?? 

The kid is only 19, so it's a bit too early to tell I think. But when you have watched him play, you can't deny that he is something special. 

Despite his young age, there are very few aspects of his game that need huge improvement, he practically already is a very complete central striker.

His style of play is very modern, he positions himself near the centreback that is the furthest away from the ball at that point and then chooses which run he needs to make. Usually that is dropping back to receive the ball and then either turn the defender or pass the ball on. In doing so, he always creates space for wingers or midfielders to run in to. Sometimes, when the situation asks for it, he doesn't drop back but runs in behind. As I said, he positions himself near one centreback. Then, he runs towards another defender and appears behind his back. This is how every modern striker makes runs and it is very hard to defend.

His physical stats are very promising. He is a little over 6"1, has decent strength, good acceleration and a good top speed. He also has a lot of power in his right foot. This makes it easier for him to be good in both dropping back and running in behind. His most beautiful goals came forth from a combination of the two: he drops back and receives the ball, then turns the defender and runs towards goal. Or he passes it on, makes a run and receives the ball in behind the defense. 

His technical abilities are even better. Excellent ball control, excellent dribbling, excellent first touch, excellent first touch passing and shooting, excellent passing in general, both short and long, excellent shooting abilities and a decent header. It is just beautiful how he manipulates the ball. Because of this, he is not only extremely hard to defend, he also is a joy to watch.

Then, his mental capabilities, probably what sets him apart for me. His vision when it comes to his own game is very good. He has an incredible eye for positioning. However, when it comes to runs other players make, he sometimes doesn't recognize them or doesn't want to play the ball. But hey, he is a central striker, not a creative midfielder. His most important quality however, is that he always keeps a cool head. He doesn't even really cheer when he scores, he just grins and thanks the player who gave the assist. According to himself, he is afraid that he will loose his edge in the game when he lets himself be influenced by scoring goals or other things. I've only known one player who had something close to this and that is Dennis Bergkamp, who is now one of his coaches.

Here's the best compilation of him that I could find:

https://youtu.be/DY1Bck8tujc

There are however a few things to consider.

First of all the level of the opposition. In Holland there are a few decent teams, but the rest are just plain bad. So it is hard to say if he could play the same at a higher level. IMO he can, but not before he has a few years under his belt at Ajax, became top of the league in goals a few times and performs well internationally with Ajax and the Danish team. He needs to be someone before he walks into the dressing room at a bigger club. Also, a player of his age isn't physically full grown. If you want to perform good in a top league you need to be at your physical peak. 

Second of all the ones that went before him. The media in Holland, and also in England, are very good in hyping young talent. This resulted in the idea that every player who has a few good games at a side like Ajax is ready for the best teams in Europe. This is simply not the case. For instance, Viktor Fischer. His first season in the first team at Ajax was incredible. But then he got severely injured and since then he is a completely different player nowhere near the level he could have reached. So Dolberg needs to stay injury free. Also, Bazoer, he also played quite well in his first few games. The new Pogba he was called. However, all this praise had a negative effect on him and he stopped to work hard on the pitch because he thought that he didn't need to. Also his environment played a negative role in this. So Dolberg needs to keep his feet on the ground and surround himself with the right people. Of this I'm sure he will. 

In short, I think he can become world class because he really is something I've not seen in a very long time. But the road is long, he needs to perform at Ajax for another two or three years, stay injury free and choose the right move(s) after that. Then I see a bright future for the kid.

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2 hours ago, Unionjack said:

Seems tro be getting respect at Ajax and is doing well.

Also a good start at ACON

Traore pushing for Chelsea recall following positive displays at Ajax

http://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/chelsea/traore-pushing-for-chelsea-recall-following-positive-displays-at-ajax

 

 

http://cdn.footballfancast.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Bertrand-Traore-16-17-600x600.jpg

I think this kid has huge potential but not as striker! He is perfect for RW position with that strong left foot ;) He should be at Stamford Bridge next season pushing for that starting RW/RF position :) 

He had enough loans IMO ... he proved himself in Vittese, he proved himself at Ajax and he also proved himself playing for Chelsea. I think he should be training under Conte as he is much better coach than those in Holland :) 

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2 minutes ago, jernej93 said:

I think this kid has huge potential but not as striker! He is perfect for RW position with that strong left foot ;) He should be at Stamford Bridge next season pushing for that starting RW/RF position :) 

He had enough loans IMO ... he proved himself in Vittese, he proved himself at Ajax and he also proved himself playing for Chelsea. I think he should be training under Conte as he is much better coach than those in Holland :) 

I was getting to really like the lad and thought like alot of us that he would be staying after pre season. But the Don obviously thought otherwise.

I should expect our spies are keeping an eye on him and they will have another looksee in preseason. We shall see eh

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