Rmpr 8,977 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Whats the point of signing Falcao?We need to fix the midfield before signing a striker...The point of signing Falcao is to have someone who will give you 25-30 goals a season.Of course we need to fix the pivot, but one thing doesnt have anything to do with the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 The point of signing Falcao is to have someone who will give you 25-30 goals a season.Of course we need to fix the pivot, but one thing doesnt have anything to do with the other.I say we fix the issue of our inability to break down packed defenses first. otherwise it would be another case of chelsea striker s) in this case,falcao, frustrated and isolated upfront due to lack of quality, clear cut chances being created and left to feed off scraps.That slow ponderous build up play, shit crossing (ivanovic i see you), lack of creativity from deep and from our AM's and so on would only lead to yet another (potential) big money flop.People look at the stats of world class strikers in awe but fail to realise the amount of chances they actually miss due to the sheer volume of creativity they are provided with. and by creativity I'm referring to the one on the pitch rather than on paper. . . because on paper, we should be one of the most creative teams in the world but we aren't, far from it.Whenever I watch teams like PSG,Bayern,Barca (when they are on form), Dortmund, Juve et al, they never struggle to create clear cut chances one after the other in most games regardless of the opposition and the tactics, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Las7 951 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Apparently his wages will be cut in half due to the new tax which will effect Monaco if they want to keep playing in the French League. He is currently on a massive 250k pounds per week, I don't think it's feasible to sign him unless he takes a pay cut to join us. Only Real and us are realistic options at the moment. I say we fix the issue of our inability to break down packed defenses first. otherwise it would be another case of chelsea striker s) in this case,falcao, frustrated and isolated upfront due to lack of quality, clear cut chances being created and left to feed off scraps.That slow ponderous build up play, shit crossing (ivanovic i see you), lack of creativity from deep and from our AM's and so on would only lead to yet another (potential) big money flop. Our strikers don't do themselves many favors by moving to the wing or remaining flatfooted inside the box instead of actually trying to get into goal scoring positions. The lack of chances has as much to do with them not being good enough for a club of our stature - as it is due to the reasons listed.Our creative midfielders can create plenty of chances for a striker with good movement - just recall last season when we played West Brom and moved Sturridge up top for 20 minutes. Mata created 3-4 chances for Sturridge due to Sturridge looking for space inside the box far more often than Torres. Eto'o gets a few half chances due to his far better movement alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Apparently his wages will be cut in half due to the new tax which will effect Monaco if they want to keep playing in the French League. He is currently on a massive 250k pounds per week, I don't think it's feasible to sign him unless he takes a pay cut to join us. Only Real and us are realistic options at the moment. Our strikers don't do themselves many favors by moving to the wing or remaining flatfooted inside the box instead of actually trying to get into goal scoring positions. The lack of chances has as much to do with them not being good enough for a club of our stature - as it is due to the reasons listed.Our creative midfielders can create plenty of chances for a striker with good movement - just recall last season when we played West Brom and moved Sturridge up top for 20 minutes. Mata created 3-4 chances for Sturridge due to Sturridge looking for space inside the box far more often than Torres. Eto'o gets a few half chances due to his far better movement alone. I disagree. We are just not very good at creating chances and has been the case since the Roman era. ( I don't count Drogba bullying defence as being creative). I;m referring to the ability to constantly split open opposition defence with different array of offensive arsenal i.e long range through pass, diagonal balls, excellent overlapping runs and crossing, cut backs, quick combination passing.That has never been our identity since Roman took over. we were actually far more creative during the Zola, Di matteo, gullit era. Drogba and lampard have, for so long, masked our deficiency in that regard. Ancelotti's first and double winning season was the outlier, an exception rather than the rule. creating chances is just not our forte, it's almost as if we are cursed. . . .no matter how much we invest, or the players we buy, it never changes anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Las7 951 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I disagree. We are just not very good at creating chances and has been the case since the Roman era. ( I don't count Drogba bullying defence as being creative). I;m referring to the ability to constantly split open opposition defence with different array of offensive arsenal i.e long range through pass, diagonal balls, excellent overlapping runs and crossing, cut backs, quick combination passing.That has never been our identity since Roman took over. we were actually far more creative during the Zola, Di matteo, gullit era. Drogba and lampard have, for so long, masked our deficiency in that regard. Ancelotti's first and double winning season was the outlier, an exception rather than the rule. creating chances is just not our forte, it's almost as if we are cursed. . . .no matter how much we invest, or the players we buy, it never changes anything.That's incorrect a World Class striker doesn't need a dozen chances to score a goal in fact in most case a World Class striker convert half chances when they come his way - the likes of Torres and Sheva were simply bought after they were no longer World Class. The only consistently World Class striker we've had in Roman's era was Drogba but he also faced seasons where he was not 100% fit due to malaria and other injuries. Guys like Anelka and Crespo also had very respectable goal returns at the club and other than those 3 and Sheva/Torres none of the other strikers we've signed were ever given much of a chance at the club. Simply put when you don't have a World Class striker playing up top you should expect your midfielders to work extra hard to mask the deficiency. Placing the blame on the system because we have signed two major flops is simply deluded - do you honestly believe that if we had signed Kun/Falcao/Cavani they would find it as difficult to score 20 goals for us in the League in 3 seasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I say we fix the issue of our inability to break down packed defenses first. otherwise it would be another case of chelsea striker s) in this case,falcao, frustrated and isolated upfront due to lack of quality, clear cut chances being created and left to feed off scraps.That slow ponderous build up play, shit crossing (ivanovic i see you), lack of creativity from deep and from our AM's and so on would only lead to yet another (potential) big money flop.People look at the stats of world class strikers in awe but fail to realise the amount of chances they actually miss due to the sheer volume of creativity they are provided with. and by creativity I'm referring to the one on the pitch rather than on paper. . . because on paper, we should be one of the most creative teams in the world but we aren't, far from it.Whenever I watch teams like PSG,Bayern,Barca (when they are on form), Dortmund, Juve et al, they never struggle to create clear cut chances one after the other in most games regardless of the opposition and the tactics,Not true at all!I am on my phone right now, but I will answer you later... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I say we fix the issue of our inability to break down packed defenses first. otherwise it would be another case of chelsea striker s) in this case,falcao, frustrated and isolated upfront due to lack of quality, clear cut chances being created and left to feed off scraps.That slow ponderous build up play, shit crossing (ivanovic i see you), lack of creativity from deep and from our AM's and so on would only lead to yet another (potential) big money flop.People look at the stats of world class strikers in awe but fail to realise the amount of chances they actually miss due to the sheer volume of creativity they are provided with. and by creativity I'm referring to the one on the pitch rather than on paper. . . because on paper, we should be one of the most creative teams in the world but we aren't, far from it.Whenever I watch teams like PSG,Bayern,Barca (when they are on form), Dortmund, Juve et al, they never struggle to create clear cut chances one after the other in most games regardless of the opposition and the tactics,I have no doubt we need a CM to accompany Ramires but I would bet a pretty penny if we had a World Class striker leading the line we would be better off. Tell me something, who is the CM who unlocks defenses for Zlatan and Cavani to score? Who was that person in Napoli? At Man Utd for Rooney then RVP? Whoever the guy is at Atletico needs to be considered the best of all time with what he's done with Costa and Falcao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I have no doubt we need a CM to accompany Ramires but I would bet a pretty penny if we had a World Class striker leading the line we would be better off. Tell me something, who is the CM who unlocks defenses for Zlatan and Cavani to score? Who was that person in Napoli? At Man Utd for Rooney then RVP? Whoever the guy is at Atletico needs to be considered the best of all time with what he's done with Costa and Falcao.Napoli has a stud. His name is hamsik.Zlatan to me is a number10 +CF hybrid. Also, he has good physical attributes to Drogba and you can essentially hoof the ball up to him to do his own thing. Atletico, all their strikers gets good stats.Torres, Aguero, Falcao, and Costa. Even Villa was playing well in the beg. of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Napoli has a stud. His name is hamsik.Zlatan to me is a number10 +CF hybrid. Also, he has good physical attributes to Drogba and you can essentially hoof the ball up to him to do his own thing. Atletico, all their strikers gets good stats.Torres, Aguero, Falcao, and Costa. Even Villa was playing well in the beg. of the season. Hamsik is an AM not a DLP....I ASSURE you Zlatan is a striker!That's my point! who is the deep lying playmaker who gets their strikers to score?Bottom line is a match winner or a world class striker knows how to impact a game with minimal chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Hamsik is an AM not a DLP....I ASSURE you Zlatan is a striker!That's my point! who is the deep lying playmaker who gets their strikers to score?Bottom line is a match winner or a world class striker knows how to impact a game with minimal chances.I misread your statement than....Thought you were referring to cams... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I misread your statement than....Thought you were referring to cams... Well if it were CAM's we have a collection of them Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Willian, DeBruyne... If the reason we aren't scoring goals is CAM then I don't know what else can be done to address it. Falcao is a match winner. We need to grab a clinical WORLD CLASS striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Well if it were CAM's we have a collection of them Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Willian, DeBruyne... If the reason we aren't scoring goals is CAM then I don't know what else can be done to address it. Falcao is a match winner. We need to grab a clinical WORLD CLASS striker.Nah, Falcao would be great.However, a stud cm would be better. Stud cm could provide less legwork for Rambo, Hazard, Oscar, Mata, Schurrle/willian and speed our attack. IF anyone, we should of went all out for CAVANI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I misread your statement than.... Thought you were referring to cams... Well if it were CAM's we have a collection of them Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Willian, DeBruyne... If the reason we aren't scoring goals is CAM then I don't know what else can be done to address it. Falcao is a match winner. We need to grab a clinical WORLD CLASS striker. I really think it has to do with transition speed and passing range in the pivot. We lack a good link both in speed as in passing range and vision. Also: this forces our am's to drop deep, enabling the opponent to organise. Hence: we rely on fast counters, set pieces and/or individual brilliance. No Falcao will completely (read 'completely') settle this issue. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Nah, Falcao would be great.However, a stud cm would be better. Stud cm could provide less legwork for Rambo, Hazard, Oscar, Mata, Schurrle/willian and speed our attack. IF anyone, we should of went all out for CAVANI. So who is this stud CM you speak of, the type that will make everything work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I really think it has to do with transition speed and passing range in the pivot. We lack a good link both in speed as in passing range and vision. Also: this forces our am's to drop deep, enabling the opponent to organise. Hence: we rely on fast counters, set pieces and/or individual brilliance.No Falcao will completely (read 'completely') settle this issue.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HDSo name me the player who plays DLP who will make it all good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Nah, Falcao would be great. However, a stud cm would be better. Stud cm could provide less legwork for Rambo, Hazard, Oscar, Mata, Schurrle/willian and speed our attack. IF anyone, we should of went all out for CAVANI. So who is this stud CM you speak of, the type that will make everything work? I say this because of seeing him play this much, but Witsel would be a dream as our modern CM. If he is a stud, I leave to the ladies on here. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I say this because of seeing him play this much, but Witsel would be a dream as our modern CM. If he is a stud, I leave to the ladies on here.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HDGood, but not great. I don't see where he will make us that much better going forward, he's more a ball winner than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Witsel won't solve our scoring problems, or lack of creativity. We don't need just 1 player in 1 position, we need to improve the pivot, the striker position and LB imo. I want to say RB, but we have a RB, a CB is just deputizing there for the time being Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 So who is this stud CM you speak of, the type that will make everything work?Good question....As of now, I dont think their is any on the market. Mountinho would be good. Cabaye could be good. I would even take a chance at MVilla as well. Germany has a few good studs as well.ANYONE outside of England, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I say this because of seeing him play this much, but Witsel would be a dream as our modern CM. If he is a stud, I leave to the ladies on here. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Good, but not great. I don't see where he will make us that much better going forward, he's more a ball winner than anything. Ow very much wrong. He actually is better building play than destroying or ball winning. His consistency, radius, tenacity and technical qualities are way more than good. We can agree to disagree of course. I just base my opinion because i have seen him play since his pro debut. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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