Wigan 1-1 Chelsea

[The Rising Sun 711]

Our last 3 wins were a GLITCH in our season!

They played with passion to save face from humiliation and did it too.

Now normal service resumes from both, the manager( with his standardized post match interviews ) and the players. The Subs were Pathetic to say the least.

Why play Malouda? or Kalou> Mikel> Take off Romeu>? U fucking Genius!!

I thought You had finally got the team together under your control and had them playing the way YOU wanted them to play this December.

You were starting to win me over.

And then this comes along....players were piss poor but your management of the situation in terms of tactics as well as substitutions was of a boy trying to make a point to men that i am the boss and I Make the decisions. And Horrible ones too.

I dont think you will ever win me over, at this rate.

When every new manager comes in, you see a positive/different change in terms of style of play or something.

Under VB i havent seen much change. Sturridge got good at Bolton, he is not your product. Romeu if YOU bought, which i highly doubt...... is a good buy. I think he was already signed before you.

I AM TIRED OF AVB, and even if we win, i actually get a little tired watching his press conferences.He probably opened up a dictionary and spits out the same shit everytime.

I Still hope Avb takes control and shows signs that his philosophies are not theoretical, that he can practice them in the big stage with big players and egos.

I still hope he comes good.

But i dont give a shit if the guy comes good by the time we miss champions league places this season. If he misses Top 4, then even the guys on here that consider him a managerial god the day he signed with us, should realise ;.....our club is bigger than that, and we cannot afford to go out of the CL, like liverpool,,,,,never knowing if youll ever make it back.

[Hd123 5]

I'm pretty confident that Romeu was an AVB buy. Not to be confused with Lukaku, who I believe was an Abramovic/Club/Ancelotti signing.

[The Rising Sun 711]

'Ramires has a slight knock but should be okay for the game. It will be an interesting match between two title challengers and we need a result.' AVB on totenham

Are you Delusional???

[Tomo 21,741]

Look we knew what we were getting when we appointed AVB.

The best case was the Porto momentum carried on, worst case is not far off what has happened so far but even with that (long term atleast) things are not too bad.

Yes yesterday was disapointing but if were honest it is the first time we have really chucked away stupid points this season. Arsenal, Liverpool and United is hardly chucking away points as there big matches, Stoke away likewise and QPR we were robbed but still outplayed the R's with 2 less men.

Sometimes we just need to take a step back and think hold on a minute this time last year we would have bitten gods hand off for a player of the class of Juan Mata, we would have also bitten gods hand off for Danny Sturridge to get a proper chance and Kaloudanelka getting dropped and having their game time at a bare minimum. Hand on heart if those 3 situation's were offered to you this time last year would you have complained?

If we were going into this season with the squad at the peak of their powers off the back of a treble season (IE Rafa at Inter) then yes AVB will deserve all the stick we could throw at him but in reality that is not the case AVB took over a in general well fed squad of internatinal "superstars" and has to do 3 years worth of rebuilding. Yes despite the double in 2009/2010 i do believe the rebuilding process should have started after Moscow or at the very least the year later (Hiddink said just as much).

We just have to sit tight and see how this evolves, if we have shown no sign's of progression in 2 years then lets doubt AVB but right now im just happy to see a bit of energy, pace and creativity in the side (in comparision to last season).

[didierforever 7,349]

really poor performance, from the players and avb. i dont think bringing kalou on was a mistake or either bringin mikel on. he saw that romeu was not being needed as much and so removed him and put in a 4-2-3-1 which did make us a little more threating than the first half. then as far as mikel's sub is concerned, i think he got that right too, he reverted to 4-3-3 after being 1-0 up but removin sturridge was a mistake. anyways i dont think avb should be the only one to take blame. the players were absolutely pathetic. there was no passion, no tempo, no aggression. even in the lst 4 mins wigan were looking for the win not us. iva was uncharacteristically bad, cole(inspite of the assist),raul, cech and drogba were just pathetic. mata had on off day and that was what hurt us most. he is the heart and backbone of our attacks and if he has an off day this is what will happen. i just hope the players turn up for the tottenham match. come on chelsea...

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Some of the posts on here are shameful.

Granted its a poor result following a disappointing performance, but frankly I'm embarrassed to call myself a Chelsea fan when I read comments like I've seen this morning. There are some very spoilt fans on this forum! I'm all for everyone having their own opinions don't get me wrong, but some of these AVB-out posts are comedy gold Pathetic.

[The Rising Sun 711]

Our performance was Pathetic Yesterday. There are few AVB out fans around.

The way i see it, the manager has to win me over. I still support him in the form of "hope"...

He does have promise.

But yesterday against wigan. WIGAN. really bad after what we all thought was the turning point. and yes. if we did not concede, even though we all would criticise a bit, 3 [points in the bag.

But thats not the case. I blame our subs. really really bad ones.

Then when AVB came up and said that the totenham match is between 2 title challengers.... i Just hope he said that so that our players are still motivated.

If he really thinks we are title challengers then OMG.

Otherwise i would have accepted 7 points out of 9 in the newcastle city and wigan games. However after beating City, my expectations changed to 9 out of 9.

Still yet, if arsenal beat City we are still on track with only 6 points seperating us and them.

If they win however, 9 points becomes too much.

I Love Chelsea. I need Chelsea not to put in performances like they did yesterday to have better weekends and the week that follows.

Weird thing is that there was really nothing wrong with tactics before the subs. They somehow weren't motivated enough for some reason. Everyone was off their game?

We really need to beat totenham to show the world and the fans we are not Streaky.

And.... Romeu to play instead of Mikel forever. Mikel is not a good sub. Either you start him or not at all.

[francozola 2,040]

Purposely stayed away from the forums for 24 hours because I was in no mood to read the majority of views that I knew were going to be posted here. VERY frustrating game. The 2nd half has been discussed enough. I was more concerned with our first half because we were absolutely dire.

Wigan were practically picking the ball up off the ground and giving it to us and yet we'd put a shiny fucking bow on it and give it back.

Lampard & Meireles. Jesus Christ. The worst two performances of the season so far.

Everyone was off their game. Complete lack of desire. So now we're back to that same old shit that we were witnessing before the Newcastle game. Most of these twats need to go and hungry players that want to win need to play. McEachran should have played yesterday. Without Ramires, Meireles should have been the one providing some energy and zip to the team but he was atrocious. Josh would have been a bright spark in that first half. After watching how we played without Ramires, I've changed my opinion on who's been our player of the season so far. He brings so much to the team and if only his touch & control was better, he'd be unreal.

Malouda What is this guy doing that gets manager after manager to pick him (whether it be in a starting XI or as a sub). He offers nothing. And actually is a liability i.e. backpass to JT against Arsenal

[Tomo 21,741]

  On 18/12/2011 at 08:30, francozola said:

Lampard & Meireles. Jesus Christ. The worst two performances of the season so far.

The season? granted both were poor yesterday but i think Meireles has been in general very good when called upon and Lampard had a good couple of months.

[Melanicus 5,208]

Do you know why both, Lampard and Meireles were playing in midfield yesterday?

AVB watched Arsenal v Wigan game and he noticed that Wigan has a lot of problems, with shots from the distance. Lampard, Meireles, Essien and Alex are probably our best long-shot takers, so that's why he played Lampard and Meireles.

[Henrique 9,133]

  On 18/12/2011 at 09:34, Artinho said:

Do you know why both, Lampard and Meireles were playing in midfield yesterday?

AVB watched Arsenal v Wigan game and he noticed that Wigan has a lot of problems, with shots from the distance. Lampard, Meireles, Essien and Alex are probably our best long-shot takers, so that's why he played Lampard and Meireles.

Actually he played Meireles and Lampard because with our current squad this was all he could do, because we only have Ramires, Lampard and Meireles, with the brazilian out of course he would play both yesterday.

As simple as that. We do need more players in next window.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

  On 18/12/2011 at 09:39, Henrique said:

Actually he played Meireles and Lampard because with our current squad this was all he could do, because we only have Ramires, Lampard and Meireles, with the brazilian out of course he would play both yesterday.

As simple as that. We do need more players in next window.

I don't know what's up with me at the minute but I find myself agreeing with Henrique once again. Our squad is too small! We are relying on the same five defenders (Bosingwa, Terry, Ivanovic, Luiz and Cole), four midfielders (Oriol, Ramires, Lampard and Meireles) and three forwards (Drogba, Mata and Sturridge) in every game, and we have precious few options on the bench.

[Melanicus 5,208]

  On 18/12/2011 at 09:39, Henrique said:

Actually he played Meireles and Lampard because with our current squad this was all he could do, because we only have Ramires, Lampard and Meireles, with the brazilian out of course he would play both yesterday.

As simple as that. We do need more players in next window.

I party agree with you. I don't see problem in the squad BlueLion wrote. Look at Barca, they probably have smaller squad than us, but what they do? They use their young players. If we'd keep this squad and use - Bertrand, McEachran, Lukaku more, there wouldn't be any problem. Our starting players simply don't have competition...

[Peace. 4,352]

Imo, this result is unpardonable, but after seeing reactions of some fans, I can't even feel angry toward this result..

[termninja 5,290]

After the draw I was disappointed, but nothing special...it was classic Chelsea...whatever, all I care is the good work in the transfer window and top4 finish. Anything above that is luxury.

  On 18/12/2011 at 10:43, Artinho said:

I party agree with you. I don't see problem in the squad BlueLion wrote. Look at Barca, they probably have smaller squad than us, but what they do? They use their young players. If we'd keep this squad and use - Bertrand, McEachran, Lukaku more, there wouldn't be any problem. Our starting players simply don't have competition...

Well now, they have Mascherano, Busquets - 2 world class DMs. Fabregas, Xavi and Iniesta - probably 3 best midfielders and Messi, Sanchez, Villa, Pedro and Affellay in their attack. Tough to stuff in someone like Thiago in there ey?

And for the sake of it, Barca don't play their youth in the 1st team that much unless in Cups. Instead, they have shitloads of reserve teams and you can't compare them to us.

But they can afford the luxury of doing it when the have someone like Messi, Iniesta and Xavi around them.

Try playing the youth with the likes of Kalou, Torres, Malouda, Mikel and Lamps, looking at their recent form, and see what happens :toke:

[Corazón De León 58]

2007 was when Drogba, Malouda and Kalou started playing together, 5 years ago!!!!!!!! And its still the same! What is wrong with you AVB?!!! Change the frickin team!!!!!!!! And why are you helping out Man U? Beating Man City and then dropping points against Wigan?!

He has got to sign wicked new players in January, don't wait till the summer!!! We don't want to get kicked out of the top 4. We better beat Tottenham, unfortunately this game will have given them a lot of hope! :/

[Tomo 21,741]

  On 18/12/2011 at 11:13, MagnificoBlues_FT9 said:

2007 was when Drogba, Malouda and Kalou started playing together, 5 years ago!!!!!!!! And its still the same! What is wrong with you AVB?!!! Change the frickin team!!!!!!!!

1 of them hardly plays anymore, the other hardly starts and the other is only starting because of Torres bad form.

[Corazón De León 58]

  On 18/12/2011 at 11:16, Tomo-91 said:

1 of them hardly plays anymore, the other hardly starts and the other is only starting because of Torres bad form.

Well they're not good enough, Malouda and Kalou need to be replaced. They dont do much when they do play except for Drogba. And from the 3 I'd actually like Drogba to stay... But he was poor against Wigan. I think he'd make a great super sub!