I'm not attacking anyone's commitment or support to and of Chelsea, But if statements like the following are made then people will voice thier disagreement. People know that I support the scapegoats and do not similarly support the entitled members of our squad, respectively. What scapegoats? Who on Earth made any of the Chelsea players scapegoats? Scapegoats for what? I will always rate the scapegoats above the entitled, because the entitled can swan around doing what they like and the majority of us still think the sun shines out their boots while the scapegoats get one little thing wrong and they're figures of immense hatred. What you're doing is the opposite. Judging John Terry on the hate figure status that has been created around him is the opposite of the statement you just made. Jose Bosingwa is not a hate figure.....he's just wasn't one of our better players. John Terry is better than Bosingwa at kicking a ball around a patch of grass . Bosingwa is better at every other aspect of life; take out the fact that Terry is an excellent footballer and plays for Chelsea and you're looking at a man with no plus points whatsoever. There is no way on this Earth that you can make a statement like that without have a firm PERSONAL knoledge of the two men, it's utter bumpf. Even without a personal knowledge of the men an informed oponion would at least cite the vast amount of charity work, and I'm not using vast out of turn there it is vast, that John Terry does as registering as some kind of plus point. So I happen to not believe that our legends are the source of everything that is good and pure in the world, and that our less talented players are responsible for AIDS, cancer, terrorism, and global warming; that might make me different to a lot of posters on this forum but so what? What the hell is this about? Try and find a happy middle ground between these two extremes. I've trailed through this thread and nobody has said that Jose Bosingwa has been responsible for AIDS, cancer, terrorism or global warming........he does surrender possesion of the ball frequently but I'm very sure that nobody ever died because of it. I'm not permitted to think that Terry is inferior to Bosingwa? Of course you are my friend. But alot of people think you're wrong and they're entitled to illustrate the reasons why. Am I to formulate my opinion on the value of a man purely based on how good he is at football? Yes. What else are you going to judge a footballer on? His cooking? The simple reason being that none of us know either of the men and don't have the knowledge about them needed to make an informed opinion about their 'value' as people. Peace and love Chap