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It's irrelevant comparing Pulisic to CHO. Pulisic has already proven himself and CHO has only really started getting playing time after flirting with a move. Chelsea not wanting to accept these conditions would be an indication of dishonesty in their intentions, in which case if I was Bayern I'd pull out of negotiations immediately. Of course that suits no one really at this point... you'll get to keep a disgruntled player while we end up without him.

The issue is the risk that CHO and Bayern see if they agree to sign a contract for summer, that Chelsea would just throw him in the stands and he'd never see the pitch again, basically what he's done for most of this season. If you want to keep him for 6 more months on the basis of 'needing him', then you should put your money where your mouth (when I say 'your' I obviously mean Chelsea) is and be held financially liable if he's not played purely for tactical reasons. It's unfair on CHO and Bayern having to wait 6 months to unite on the basis of Chelsea needing him but then not actually playing him. If Chelsea are serious about wanting to play him, then Chelsea should consider this option.

You say he's needed right now but neither Bayern nor CHO completely believe that. You guys have been saying he deserved to play more than he actually did, and that was when he hadn't flirted with a move. As I said in my previous post, this can be arranged only if Chelsea are held financially liable if CHO doesn't get played a minimum amount of matches for which he's fit and not suspended.

The only way I see a summer move working is that the contract, signed now, would stipulate minimum playing time requirements for CHO, which if not satisfies results in Chelsea having to pay up. You get him till the end of the season while CHO and Bayern can rest in the knowledge that Chelsea won't simply let him rot.

That's why I said option 3 doesn't make sense for CHO. Option 3 realistically gets Bayern a backup player for free, nothing more nothing less. Options 1 and 2 are the ones that best help CHO fulfill his potential. Plus let's forget he's just 18... he needs to settle his future now, not in 6 months time or 1.5 years time.

Of course you aren't, otherwise you'd long have ceased to exist with your attitude and insults. Maybe I have problems reading but I thought you clearly was laying out a plan for how the club should act, and I simply gave you my view on how CHO would view your plan.

Well news of today say that Bayern will try to get a 'top star' winger, along with Coman, Gnabry, Davies and possibly CHO... then we have some promising youngsters of our own coming through as well, notably Batista-Meier and Jeong.

Perhaps you should read into how Juventus got Vidal. He had a gentleman's agreement on the contract details, was about to sign and at the 11th hour Juventus snapped him up. A contract is valid only when it's signed. A signed contract at this time WOULD be illegal.

Apologies, was never my intention but then I'm being attacked. Really and truly I see only 3 possible outcomes with CHO: 1) He does not transfer to Bayern. 2) He transfers this January. 3) He joins Bayern on a free in summer 2020 after wasting an important phase of his career on the bench or in the stands. If I was CHO, only options 1 and 2 make sense. If I was Bayern, I would not take any other option. Bayern would need to be mad to accept to get him in summer.

Yes, if I was CHO, I'd really accept a buy back clause from a club that's threatening me with "wreaking my career and sitting me on the bench for 1.5 years". Bayern would never accept that. Or anyone else for that matter. Of course this is what you want, but you might as well just say 'no'. It makes zero sense for the buying club to invest so much money in a mostly-unproven youngster, only to know that if he's a success the previous club can just claim him back, unless the buy-back clause is well above the buying price.

I bet you think you did ZERO wrong with Ballack, but we did with Lewandowski, right?

This is magic. We loaned out our best youngster to them to get experience, then he wanted to stay and we gave him to them for basically free (4M, because we are a charity club), he became their star player and their captain... one day we buy him back and we're the villains. Last but not least, the only reason Borussia Dortmund still exists is that Bayern saved them by giving them money to save them from bankruptcy. Of course, the villain news moves faster around the world and to the English tabloids. Can you imagine Manchester United bailing out Manchester City so that they don't cease to exist? Or Barcelona to Real Madrid? As I said, charity club. We're the club that last summer sold PSG a player for their XI for just 5M (charity club, once more), so when I ask if 39M euros sound alright to you keep in mind that relative to our sales, if CHO comes to Munich and flops, we probably wouldn't sell for more than 3M.

Virtually everything you wrote here is all wrong. Don't even know where to start, really. Perhaps with showing you the rules... let me start with the basic... "Don't the rules say that other clubs can only start negotiating when there's less than six months left in the contract, yet this one was already confirmed well before that but they only officially signed the contract when it was legal." No, they don't. They say you cannot sign the contract. You can start negotiating whenever you want as long as you send the club a letter informing them that you intend on doing so. Those are the rules, so no Bayern did nothing illegal. Lewandowski was a star player at a small-medium club and wanted a big move. All of Europe was interested. He could handpick where he wanted to play, basically. My God the double standards you hold with Kante and Lewandowski are amazing. Especially considering that we stole that Lewandowski tactic right out of the Chelsea book with that Ballack case... offered them 50M, they refused, a year and a half later got him for free. You can really draw parallels there.

Haha that's quite a poor request out of all the ones you could've made. Alaba's lost a bit of touch. Gone are the days he used to be better than Marcelo. But you can have him for 120M. Deal?

Kante was gone and Lewandowski wasn't? Hummels was our former player and we got him back? Götze? He's to us as Drinkwater was to you except we did sell him back. If it's quantity you're talking about, BVB bought as many players from us as we got from them. And thy got more from the rest of the Bundesliga. If it's quality you're talking about then that's really selective and possibly jealous. It's OK as long as they're not stars? Not to mention that Goetze and Hummels, and also arguably Lewandowski (4 in one match against Madrid, none with Bayern shirt) had their best times at BVB anyway. Also we can't seem to land a Bundesliga star in a long while. Sane, De Bruyne, Dembele, Aubameyang... The star exodus goes on and on, but not to Bayern. Instead we're getting players like James, Sanches, Tolisso and, maybe, CHO.

Anyway I didn't come here to fight. I was mostly angry by some accusations of tapping and glad that nobody challenged that at least. I'm here for more info. Do you think CHO has the current ability to come in January and get decent playing time this season given we would have 6 wingers? Ribéry, Robben, Coman, Gnabry and new January signing (destroying the MLS [emoji14]) Davies... Keep in mind Ribéry and Robben are well past their prime while everyone's quite injury prone.

Good one. Still you can't deny me my point here. What Bayern did to BVB has been done by just about anyone, including BVB to Bayern. Still waiting for a nomination for some club that has not consistently bought players from within its own league. And we seriously don't do it as frequent as you like to think. The average Arsenal lineup has more players obtained from the Bundesliga than the average Bayern one I'd say... Does that mean Arsenal are destroying the Bundesliga too?

Hey I never said this line of thinking isn't commonplace or the consensus. It's a theory that has been rehashed over and over again with people not really delving to explore. Doesn't mean it's correct. Far from it. Go do your own research, go on. Count how many Borussia Dortmund players came from other Bundesliga clubs. Then do the same exercise with Bayern. If you want to have fun, do the same exercise with Manchester United and English teams. Or how about Barcelona, didn't they sign like 6 Valencia players? If you can't accept that big fish eat smaller fish, then you have a lot to learn in life other than pointing fingers.

Wait, are you saying that Chelsea, Napoli and Juventus do not regularly buy players from their own league? Since summer 2016 we sold 2 players to Borussia Dortmund and signed back our youth product Hummels while you killed up-and-coming Leicester City signing their star player Kante and their less-important player Drinkwater. Seriously thinking what Bayern doing is anything special shows extreme prejudice which you then fully confirm with the continuation of comparing beating us to your first born. Hope you didn't name your son Didier!

Actually, you replied to my post that's talking about absolute hard facts, while you're passing on an opinion which I strongly regard as misinformed. If there's anyone talking bs, it certainly wasn't me.

Please before accusing at least do yourself the favour of doing some research. 1) We gave Goetze back to Borussia Dortmund (they made a profit) 2) Lewandowski didn't want to renew his contract at all so we took nothing from Borussia Dortmund. He could have ended in any other top club's team as everybody wanted him. 3) The fact that we took Hummels from Dortmund is testament that Dortmund take players from us. Hummels is a Bayern youth product. We made him a professional. If CHO signs for Manchester City tomorrow and you sign him back a few years later, how would it feel being accused of 'stealing' off your rivals? 4) What about Sebastian Rode who Borussia Dortmund signed from us? Guess it's 3-3, or more like 3-2 because you really cannot say we took Lewandowski from BVB. Bayern are amongst the Bundesliga clubs who buy fewest players from other Bundesliga clubs, and you can rest assured that most if not all would have gone to a foreign club in the same transfer window had Bayern not bought them. Also, since 2016, we got Hummels (a Bayern youth product) back, and sold Goetze and Rode to Borussia Dortmund while you guys took Kante and Drinkwater from Leicester, a new rival. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Yes you do. If you look above I mentioned SIX players that you signed from Premier League clubs since summer 2017. Thanks for the reminder about 2012 You stole our cup! Our 'mini-revenge' of the Super Cup in 2013 was so small in comparison.

So do Premier League clubs, as described in my previous post. Bayern are actually helping the league by retaining talent that would have otherwise moved to the Premier League and joined the rest of the 140 or so former Bundesliga players now plying their trade in England or Spain Unless, of course, you are naive enough to think Lewandowski would have snubbed Real Madrid's offer had Bayern not nipped in, or that Goretzka would have snubbed the Liverpool and Barcelona offers he had if Bayern hadn't submitted theirs. I can mention others too if you want, like how Man Utd wanted to sign Hummels but he decided to come back to Bayern, the club of which he is a youth product and that gave him Bundesliga experience. The reality is that Bundesliga teams (excluding Bayern) are losing their talent all the time and they can't help it. Bayern are the club that's helping the league retain quality.

Do you know what bully tactics is? It's the tactics the Premier League clubs adopted towards the Bundesliga since you got that bumper TV deal. The Premier League nowadays has a super high percentage of players (and coaches!) coming from the Bundesliga. When you see a club like arsenal lining up with Sokratis Papastathopoulos, Henrikh Mkhitaryan, Mesut Özil, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Bernd Leno, Shkodran Mustafi and Granit Xhaka, all former Bundesliga players... Or how about Manchester City with Gundogan, De Bruyne, Sane and Pep Guardiola? Or Liverpool with Matip, Keita, Shaqiri, Firmino and Klopp who all had Bundesliga experience? Face it: Fact 1: the Bundesliga players represent good value for money. YOU (English teams) should know this. Fact 2: EVERYBODY buys players from his own country, it makes sense because you know they've already adapted to the league. Now, tell me, how exactly is what Bayern do bullying?

You never said we tapped up CHO, and I didn't accuse you of that, but others did. Having said that, it has nothing to do with there being a transfer window or not. I posted the exact rules from FIFA's laws. They have nothing to do with transfer windows. Now over to the evaluation part... last time we bought an 18 year old superstar, his name was Renato Sanches. Then he failed at SWANSEA. The previous time we bought an 18 year old superstar, his name was Breno. He was super close to winning the Brazilian player of the year award which would have made him the first defender to do so and also the youngest player. Real Madrid thought he was so good for his age they wanted him to undergo tests on his bones to confirm his real age. He was that good. Possibly, you may not have heard of him which would prove my point. Actually, I didn't get to my point. My point is that 18 year old superstars can fail in the blink of an eye. Here we're talking about what is, before bonuses, the 3rd most expensive signing of our club, for an 18 year old superstar who's far less proven than Renato Sanches or Breno were at the time they joined us, so please excuse me while I'm worried that he may fail. Once bitten, twice, thrice, four times shy... Now regarding bullying the rest of the Bundesliga, that's laughable. You mention Borussia Dortmund, for example, the club who lately signed as much players from us as we did from them (Hummels and Goetze went back and forth; Lewandowski came to Bayern; Rode went to BVB) and who have far more players signed from Bundesliga clubs than Bayern do. We signed 4 players since summer 2017 from Bundesliga clubs; Chelsea signed 6 players since summer 2017 from Premier League clubs. And yes, I'm including Pavard who'll join next summer and who's been made official just today. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.