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But anyway.. they might have lost the game last night.. But still what a great great very special & so funny sometimes culture & customs they have these really great guys.. :thumbsup: ...

Well what can I say...It was probably much more to do with luck than an actual real professional prediction or so like.. but its sure still nice to get it right bang on the Jackpot once in while anyway.. ... athough I must admit it could have been maybe even that much slightly nicer if it was a real jackpot & not only a virtual one .. But I still do stand by what I wrote there about playing in Greece.. Iv'e seen quite a few international games played there before & it is always a difficult place to come out of with points in the bag for any team.. & personaly I really think that the 0-0 resault we got there wasn't that bad at all...although maybe some could argue & say that we could of played more attractive there & they might even have a point...BUT at the end of the day it was only the first leg of a 180 minutes-"fixture" & should be treated exactly like any other regular "half time" in an ordinary 90-minutes game..& maybe even less harshly in this case, because the "seconed half"-(leg) was to be played here at the Bridge, what makes things even that much easier usually.

& here's the real explanation of why the Football stadium was bombed- http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/SoccerKillingFields.html unfortunately when some people use totally illegitimate places & ways to hide weapons or use as terrorists training grounds ext.. against any type of written & acceptable international "Laws of war" that exist,..Like hiding & smuggling weapons inside Ambulances, or smuggling terrorists inside journalists cars that have a "free journalist pass" to travel in & out of Israel, or even sometimes smuggle weapons & bombs inside Little children's schoolbags, & also in this case here, use a football ground as a terrorist training camp...& just to remind you by the way Hamas in Gaza even have special terrorist training camps for little children too. In the end, again unfortunately such criminal & unacceptable actions like those I wrote here above & others..that many of the Palestinian terrorist groups take, do in the end Backfire on them usually at a later stage..because if for example the Israeli army finds hidden weapons inside an Ambulance(and it has happened already a few times in the past) they wont have a choice but to stop & check now almost every Ambulance on its way to the Hospital, and because of that of course many innocent people that have no connection with terrorism will very unfortunately have to suffer from the situation in the end, the same story with journalists, & also with a football stadium that has been turned into a training ground...that in the end it will be again unfortunately also innocent players & fans that will suffer from it. The claim that Israel wouldn't want the Palestinians to play Football or have their own national team is so ludicrous & untrue, I don't think there would be anything in the world that the Israeli's would prefer more-that all the Palestinians would become more interested in playing & watching football matches instead of waisting the same time & energy on terrorist activities.. & anyway go & check & you will see that the Israeli & Palestinian National teams have played already a few times together in various Peace related competitions that Shimon Peres & his Palestinian counterparts have organized together in the past.

1) First of all I condemned numerous times any kind of hooliganism or racism of any sort from any race religion or culture with NO EXCEPTION-(I wrote that already in the previous thread on the matter in the "Banter football".) I also wrote here in the forum a few times in the past that ANYONE that acts in such ways are total idiots & criminals & should be dealt with appropriately, But I don't need to repeat the same things 20 times either, So I hope its clear enough now & it will be the last I'll need to repeat it again?! 2)The truth is that actually your "Moderator" friend here above, actually just helped me prove my point much better!...He has just proved again that he is so full of hate towards Israel that he's totally blinded or unwilling to be ethical & truthful enough to stick to even the most clear of facts that are written black on white in various articles, just because they are about Israel & don't fit his own extreme views exactly, he stated that Football related violence & racism in Israel was the WORST out of all countries, & as I have proved from various sources including the article that he himself posted in the previous thread, that it is totally untrue & just something he made up in his own sick imagination, but still posted it here as it was a "proved fact". 3)& at the end of the day the most important thing & that makes matter, is what people & elected Governments in the NORMAL World think about the situation & not what some irrelevant ignorant abnormal Yob "thinks" or says.. This is what the free democratic world thinks about the terrorists that are fighting Israel- from Wikipedia- "Hamas - listed as a terrorist organization by Australia,[6]Canada,[7][8] the United Kingdom,[9] the European Union,[10]Israel, and the United," So at the end of the day if your friend supports Nazi terrorist groups like Hamas, Al-Qaeda, Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya & others.. he belongs to a tiny minority of extreme abnormal sick people in the World, But still.. it would be interesting to see how he would react if Heaven-forfend some of those nazi terrorist friends of his would ever actually release for example a "Dirty bomb" in the center of London or crash a commercial airline into the packed stands of one of the Premiership football stadiums?.. like they have warned in the past that they intend & plan to do...we'll see what nice & supportive things he will have to say about them then too..

Oh no!..real pity on you & all your poor fans cult.. after almost a full month that you've all been swearing at me & using other endless vile & vulgar style of language against me... you still don't have any shame to start morally lecturing others on their language & style of writing?.. Thats it!.. I new that it would come to this in the end..., You tried to fool everyone by saying that Israeli football related hooliganism & racism is the worst in the world you lied & tried to deceive everyone here on the matter when you wrote things like- "We here a lot about racism in Spain and Italy but by far the worst year on year is found in Israel." while I have proved more than once here that it has been stated that -"Soccer hooliganism in Israel HAS NOT reached European levels"..-(exactly what was written in the article you posted here yourself.) & now that you know that your cunning deceiving trick hasn't worked & has been reviled for all here to see, your trying to DIVERT the subject here again to a political argument about Israel,.. personally I don't intend to let you lead me there again, just to help you hide your lies & deceiving attempts on the original issue.., & about all your nazi wako lunatic remarks & video,..all I can say is that your so inhumanely ignorant, & your ancestors were only just extremely lucky that Hitlers army didn't succeed in the end to fulfill their plan & march on the streets of London in the end, because I'm sure that if that would have happened as they planned, you & family today, if your parents & the rest of your family were for some reason still left alive by them, would have been for sure allot less ignorant & would have learned in the most worse ever possible ways what the naziem movement & nazi soldiers murderers sadistic behavior was really all about, but as for now your just another empty minded dirty mouthed full of ignorant blinded hate for what you do not & probably will never be capable of understanding YOB.. personally I don't intend to converse or argue with you anymore here on this subject I think its clear enough for everyone here to see & judge you for what you really are. But I Know that you always want & need to have last say..so feel free to write & say here what other abnormal sick things you just like & if you just want to make sure a 100% that you really have the last say ,you can lock up this thread again too & throw away the key for all I could care less.

Just another way of yours to try & continue to deceive everyone here.. You bring here some warning from 2000 to try & prove what you wrote before that Israel was stated by a few "respectable organizations" as being the "most racist"..? & all that after it was written in a much later article that you posted here from-2004, that-"Soccer hooliganism in Israel HAS NOT reached European levels".. Just do me a favor "proof" like that wouldn't even convince a child of-4, & just to put the things in the right context again.. in September 2000 the Palestinians began what is called the "Second Intifada" where scores of Israelis & Palestinians were left murdered ,killed or injured in many suicide bombings within Israel & in Israeli & Palestinian fighting in the West bank & Gaza. Anyway, at the time of the start of the Intifada there was understandably much higher than usual tensions between the two communities within the Country, that obviously boiled over also into the countries football stands, FIFA launched it's warning to Israeli teams in December2000, thats about a couple of months after the Intifada began at the peak of tensions between the two communities,.. Is that really what you call "proof" to what you wrote there that Israel has been stated as the "most racist"? & with all those tensions no one for my knowledge has ever been murdered or killed by football hooligans or their likes in Israel, if you really want to check where ethnic tensions & hooliganism violence has been much worse in the World, when people have actually died or have been severely injured in the violence go back & check in Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism Countries like Croatia, Turkey, Italy, Syria & many others..before you even start mentioning Israeli football in the hooliganism or racist context. Anyway I'm quite sure that even the biggest proof with the most proved facts in the World wouldn't convince you or that ignorant fans cult of people you have here in the forum & made their remarks as usual on some of the posts of this thread too, But I'm more than sure that anyone with a bit more objective views or truthful traits would understand straightaway where your remarks & your "indisputable proof" is really coming from.

A more recent article from the 28 Oct, 2007 about anti-Semitism wave in Football.. the original link- http://www.kickitout.org/index.php?id=9&StoryID=3484 UK] ALIVE AND UNCHECKED - A WAVE OF ANTI-JEWISH HATE Sunday 28 Oct, 2007 'Spurs are on their way to Belsen, Hitler's gonna gas 'em again...' It's not a song you would expect to hear on a family day out at a Premier League game, but it is one of several anti-Semitic chants still heard at some top-flight grounds. While the message about anti-black abuse is in the public consciousness, campaigners say that anti-Semitism is alive - and unchecked. Incidents The past few months have featured several high-profile recorded incidents of anti-Semitic abuse, alongside growing evidence from lower levels of the game. The problem centres around clubs in London - where there are large Jewish communities - where songs about concentration camps and gas chamber hissing noises are a regular feature at certain games. The government recently reported a rise in anti-Semitic attacks in wider society and, with the appointment of Avram Grant as Chelsea manager, the issue in football has been brought into focus after the club received anti-Semitic hate mail. Britain's Jewish sports group says action is overdue. Martin Berliner, chief executive of Maccabi GB, says: 'I'm a Chelsea fan and I can't listen to songs about concentration camps any more. My father's parents died in the Holocaust. When Avram Grant was appointed, fans came on Chelsea TV and asked why they had appointed a Jew who would not work on Yom Kippur. There's a lot of Jewish conspiracy-theory talk kicking about, like Ben Haim only being picked because he's Jewish. The other week Haim made a mistake and someone behind me stood up and shouted, "You stupid Yid!" Nobody complained.' Weekly abuse Comedian and author David Baddiel agrees. 'Literally every week there issome anti-Semitic chanting at Stamford Bridge. It often takes place regardless of whether Tottenham are playing or not. It's even happened to me. I went to get a hotdog in an area where I don't usually sit and they started chanting "Yiddo" at me.' Baddiel says he can understand the humour in some of it, but feels that a serious side of the issue is too often overlooked. 'Can you imagine if the Chelsea crowd was shouting "Nigger" or "Paki"? People would actually be talking about taking legal action.' Abuse has been heard at Premier League grounds from Arsenal to Wigan. A complicating factor is Tottenham's close association with the problem - whether they are playing or not, many of the chants are directed at the club or their former players. Their fans' self-identification as 'Yids' - a derogatory word for a Jew - is problematic. Last week fans and representatives of the Tottenham Supporters Trust, Maccabi GB and Kick It Out debated the issue. Supporters say the term is used as a 'badge of honour', which aligns Jews and non-Jews in a proud allegiance to the club, but campaigners say it provokes and legitimises abuse from rival fans. Yids As both sets of fans often interchange 'Yid' for 'Jew', or words depicting a relationship to Israel or Palestine, the demarcation lines separating football from religion, race, politics and anti-Semitism are decidedly blurred. Chelsea want the term 'Yid' eradicated from their ground. 'We make it clear that we have a policy of zero tolerance,' says Simon Greenberg, director of communications. 'There is no justification in our eyes. We're not going to get into a philosophical debate about it.' But Tottenham insist the FA should be taking the lead and are wary of being made a scapegoat. 'It is a complex issue and there are strong feelings on both sides. But the fans themselves have not raised it,' says their spokesperson. And that may be a key part of the problem: a scarcity of high-profile voices from within the Jewish football community. Many of those approached by Observer Sport declined to be interviewed for fear of alienating themselves in the football world. Others did not want to draw attention to their Jewish identity and in some cases clubs felt it too controversial for their staff to discuss. The reticence reminds some of the days when black players were too frightened to speak about racism. Lone voice One man who is happy to be the lone voice is lawyer and Kick It Out board advisory member Jonathan Metliss. A lifelong football fan, Metliss has been campaigning against anti-Semitism since the early 1980s.'My father fought the Mosleyites. When I started campaigning nobody would take it seriously, but I've since put this issue on the map.' Metliss says 'Yid' is unquestionably offensive. 'It's like calling a Pakistani a Paki. A lot of guys I know won't take their kids to football because of it.' Simon Johnson, the FA's director of corporate affairs, concedes that there is a problem. 'We have not yet made it as taboo to abuse somebody who is Jewish,' says Johnson. 'People do not understand that it's offensive to call someone an 'effing Yid', or to hiss: they think it's funny. Our challenge is to make it a taboo - and I accept we've got some catching up to do.'

Yeah..that also seems like a very good option.. again I might be wrong but I think that we will have to play them both together quite allot if we want to keep someone as good as Sheva as a Sub. But actually even that might not be enough to keep Sheva in the team next season,..well just have to wait & see how things will evolve in the end between this "Trio"

I think it would be just great to see them play together 4-4-2, but that also depends what will be our situation with Sub-strikers on the bench.. I really don't see Sheva agreeing to stay in the team as a third Sub-striker if we continue to play with only one striker as we have until now..

Sorry made a mistake!.. I just saw that I got the year wrong & that the article was from Feb-2007 and not from this month as I wrote in the title(I tried to edit & change the title but the system here wont let you), but still it's relatively new & probably not less if not even more relevant today. The original link-http://www.kickitout.org/index.php?id=9&StoryID=3019 ANTI-SEMITIC ATTACKS HIT RECORD HIGH Friday 2 Feb, 2007 Attacks on British Jews soared to record levels last year in the wake of Israel's war against Hizbullah in Lebanon, according to a report published yesterday. There were 594 anti-semitic incidents in 2006, and more than a fifth took place during the war in July and August. More than 100 incidents made direct reference to Israel and the Middle East, and 54 referred directly to Lebanon. The attacks ranged from the stabbing of a Jewish man in London to malicious phone calls to synagogues. In one case teenager Jasmine Kranat was robbed and beaten after passengers on a bus asked her if she was Jewish. Community Security Trust report The report by the Community Security Trust, which has been collating anti-semitic incidents since 1984, said: "Trigger events such as the war in Lebanon do not create anti-semitic incidents out of a vacuum. They act as a spark for people whose capacity for perpetrating incidents already exists." The type of attack prompted by the war was different from those that took place in the rest of the year, the report said. The war in Lebanon, which cost the lives of up to 1,000 civilians and pulverised the country's infrastructure, triggered attacks against symbols of the Jewish community such as synagogues and national bodies rather than individuals in the street. Other less powerful trigger events were the suspension of the London mayor, Ken Livingstone, for comments made to a Jewish reporter, which was mentioned by perpetrators in 11 incidents, and the jailing of historian David Irving for Holocaust denial, which was mentioned on five occasions. The use of far-right references is no longer the preserve of neo-Nazis, the report said. In one case a Jewish man walking to a synagogue in London was abused by a group of Asian men who shouted: "Jewish scumbag, go back to the camps," and gave Nazi salutes. Four of last year's incidents were classified as extreme violence, including one in which a Jewish man in Manchester was struck over the head with a metal bar. Targets Jewish schools or children were targeted in 59 incidents, and Jewish cemeteries were desecrated nine times. A poster saying: "The Nazis are here again, get your tanks out of Palestine," was stuck on a synagogue door in Gloucestershire. The CST also recorded 20 cases of mass produced anti-semitic literature. One mass mailing bearing the name of the far right group Combat 18 and containing a razor blade included the warning: "We fully intend to complete the final solution. Slit the throats of your kinder [children] now. Save us the effort." A CST spokesman, Mark Gardner, said: "Anti-semitic hate crime levels have doubled in the last 10 years. This is unacceptable racism that many Jews had hoped and believed was a thing of the past." Jeevan Vasagar, The Guardian

Playing in Greece is always difficult, their not to bad football+the ecstatic atmosphere that their quite fanatic fans create never makes it an easy place to play for any team.. If we can get a win there it would be great.. but I think probably a draw would do to & another 3-0 at the Bridge will put the sweet seal on this stage of the CL.

Last week an article from the Website "Kick it out" was posted here in the forum by "Fulham Broadway" in the "Football talk"-section of the Forum under the Title "kick racism out of football"(the original post can still be seen there). & a link to the article here-" http://www.kickitout.org/index.php?id=9&StoryID=1504 "Fulaham Broadway" wrote in the thread there this qoute..- 1)"It was-("the article') about various respectable organizations citing Israeli teams as being the most racist." *My observances -I have read this article about 4-5 times already & NOWHERE in the article is it written anything about "Israeli teams being the most racist" nor about any "various respectable organizations". there is ONLY ONE organization mentioned in whole article that is the "New Israel Fund" that is a totally Israeli organization, it is an organization that has started to Rank & compare racism within Israeli teams among THEMSELVES, its not written even once in the article that they are comparing Israeli teams to other teams in Europe or in the World, This organization is ranking ONLY local Israeli teams NOT also teams from other countries, but still they wrote there in the article that overall- "Soccer hooliganism in Israel HAS NOT reached European levels, but it is very much part of the culture of the game here - something civil society organizations and team officials are trying to change." 2) he also wrote there- that this thread was "not about hooliganism" but about racism in football. *my observations- But again in the article they did not actually differentiate between the two things-(racism & hooliganism) in such away as he did , Again I quote -.."Soccer HOOLIGANISM in Israel has not reached European levels, but it is very much part of the culture of the game here - something civil society organizations and team officials are trying to change." In no way do I want to turn this thread into another political discussion or argument, I have made my political views clear enough & Broadway & others here have made there views clear enough to, there is NO need to get into all that again now.. The ONLY issue here is about! ethics in posting & sticking to the facts, regardless of anyone's political views there should be at least a minimal ethical standard when a member posts something, that he/she will stick to the truth of the matter & whats written as much as possible, I urge everyone to read the article again, and if they find there any reference of anything about "various organizations" ranking Israeli teams as "being the most racist"?. please let me know.. & if maybe it would help some people here to be more objective on the matter, just imagine that the article is not written about Israeli football but about Swedish football for example or any other country you choose & feel comfortable with, just try to stick to the exact raw facts that are stated there. I don't know what made Broadway change the facts of the article, if it was deliberate or if it was just his hate towards Israel-(that he has stated many times and also in the original thread) that just blinded his eyes momentarily, but at the end of the day it doesn't really matter & I think we should all try & expect from others here to try & stick to the actual written facts of things & not let our own personal views distort the facts & create confusion & misconceptions with others.

Its a shame that if your already writing only about Israeli football troubles(for your own private bios reasons), you cant be credible & honest enough to show & talk about racist chants & Hooliganism also from the mostly Arab teams side to.. http://www.kickitout.org/index.php?id=9&StoryID=140-& by chance I actually DID see that game myself at the time, & it was very clear who started the violence in this incident, & it wasn't the Jerusalem fans..(& the Beitar's goal keeper was almost injured very severely when some firecracker or something similar was thrown straight at him from the "Sakhnin" fans stands area & he fell to the ground for quite a long time after the impact). or another case- http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-105047216.html & another punishment in this case given to mainly "Jewish" teams for various different incidents & verbal abuse of players ext'... http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-5283221.html I'm not sure if any of them are connected to hooliganism in this case, but similar punishments have been given many times after misbehavior of fans no matter what their religion is or what language they speak.. they are all stupid ignorant hooligans & it really doesn't matter where they came from what they look like or which language they speak.. But actually! there was no real logical reason to expect from you to show both sides of the coin was there?..

Very funny that all this Moral lecturing & such deep concern for the Arab community & rights in Palestine pre-1947, Is actually coming from a British subject like you.., Have you forgotten the conquest & colonization of America & Australia & the wiping out of huge ancient civilizations off the map like the native Americans & the Aborigines in Australia?, and they have never recovered their land & culture back since then.. Why don't you despise the Australian or American occupiers that the British themselves created? you doubled faced hypocrite.. almost the whole of the western World is sitting on land that they stole from other weaker & demeaned cultures at the time, & with much lesser(actually with non at all) religious, historical or cultural rights & connections whatsoever like Jews had for thousands of years with the land of Israel.. & besides that I don't think that the British people ever suffered in history even one percent of what the Jews suffered only the last century..but still you went and concerned half of the world & destroyed endless cultures that will never be able to recover.. Go & campaign first for the liberation of countries like Australia & America & to pay compensation to countries like South Africa & Zimbabwe-(& the list is still very long...) for all the atrocities & injustices that the British have done during the last few hundreds of years, & maybe then you will have some right to come & lecture other much smaller cultures & nations that have been fighting for their actual survival for the last who knows time.. & p.s If you really want to go back even further in history.. go & check what the English did to the Jews of their country in-1290, that were thrown out like dogs without their property & most of their belongings for hundreds of years until they were allowed to return to the country, & then go & have the nerve to start lecturing anyone else & their treatment (that isn't even closely as bad as that) of other nations.. from Wikipedia.. "Between the expulsion of the Jews in 1290 and their formal return in 1655 there is no official trace of Jews as such on English soil except in connection with the Domus Conversorum, which kept a number of them within its precincts up to 1551 and even later. and this- "They were allowed to carry their portable property; but their houses escheated to the king, except in the case of a few favoured persons who were allowed to sell theirs before they left. Between 4,000 and 16,000 Jews were expelled."

How interesting but really hardly surprising when coming from you.. Just unbelievable!.. a whole thread here only about Israeli fans Chanting & hooliganism.. & what about all of these(in the link)? has your incredible bios tendencies made you forget about all of these countries that have/had Football related Hooliganism problems?-(& yes also in a few Arab countries to..now who would believe that it is possible to?)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism & all that also in a country that has been in a state of war for decaides,..so you wouldn't expect that relations between the two communities would always be a bed of roses would you? Hooliganism is bad EVERYWHERE it happens & should be tried as much as possible to be rooted out ANYWHERE it exists.. But still just imagine that the situation-(G-forbid) was the other way around, I'm quite sure that if the Arabs actually would have left any of the Jews still alive( and that really is a big "if"..) they surely wouldn't have even let them to carry on & play football, not talking at all about precipitating in any National team they would have had, Yes there are still many unsolved problems in Israel between the two communities, but still with all the problems, teams from both sectors play in the same league & countries national team for years together now with success & lots of mutual respect, Just read what the "Hamas" writes about the Jews & decide by yourselves what you think would have happened to the Jews(Israelis) if the whole thing were the opposite way around? here from Wikipedia-"On 30 March 2007, Hamas spokesman Ismail Radwan ended his "prayers to Allah" in a sermon broadcast on the Palestinian Authority’s TV quoting the hadith "The Hour [of Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them, and the rock and the tree will say: 'Oh, Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!'" Al Aqsa mosque would be "liberated" "through the rifle", since the Israeli occupation knew no other language. He asked "Jihad-fighting worshippers" in "Palestine and everywhere" and Allah to take away the oppressor Jews and Americans and their supporters!" or this-"Like other Islamists, the Hamas uses antisemitic language, full of hatred towards Jews, ever since its foundation in 1987. In its Sacred Covenant [18 August 1988], there are frequent references to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which would have gladdened the hearts of Hitler and Goebbels. It is difficult to see what any of this has to do with spirituality, works of charity, dialogue or the search for peace." Think & decide for yourselves..who here sound more violent & vicious the Hamas sayings & actions? or some stupid ignorant football hooligans saying & actions? & who should be feared more?