The English Football Thread

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I actually think that underdog status at Spurs would suit Jose really well. Plus they've got a very good attack and plenty of goals in Son-Kane-Moura, which would suit his football and their midfielders and defenders aren't that bad either. Eriksen and Ndombele are the sort of midfielders Jose's United was really lacking. Most of their players are pretty experienced at this point and Jose could also get some new life out of the likes of Alderweireld, Rose etc. who have been in decline for past few seasons now. Slightly worried by this because I think Jose would surprise a lot of people over there even though he is now a bit outdated as a manager. All their top players could actually end up staying if Jose is hired since they all know that with Jose they might just end up winning few trophies.

Of course, as always with Jose, this would be a short-term thing. Fast forward 5 years and Spurs would be absolute shambles but by that time Jose will be long gone

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Jose part 1: ruin United

Jose part 2: ruin spuds

 

True blue 

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seriously??

Mou is in talks to become a yid army cunt?????

 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

I hope it will be Mourinho. His idea of football is so anachronistic and the opposite of what Poch tried to play there. He will freeze out their best players, create a toxic atmosphere, play Dier on the wing and leave them with a mightx League Cup medal but on a relegation place in 15 months. 

Allegri on the other hand would make Tottenham a completely different animal with his versatile style. 

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4 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

 play Dier on the wing

such a Mou move!!

[Jase 43,479]

Pochettino was unhappy at Spurs because Daniel Levy didn't want to spend and now he's gonna get Mourinho, who wants to spend hundreds of millions of dollars, to replace Pochettino?!  

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5 hours ago, milka said:

Don’t do it  Mourinho ....... 

Do people actually still care which club he manages these days? I know he's our most successful manager but he burnt that Chelsea bridge long ago. 

[1905didierblue 748]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Pochettino was unhappy at Spurs because Daniel Levy didn't want to spend and now he's gonna get Mourinho, who wants to spend hundreds of millions of dollars, to replace Pochettino?!  

How many hundreds of million dollars did Jose need to win the 2 CLs he did with porto and inter? People seem to forget their histories or may be just selective remember things for their own agendas. 

With no urgent need of success, Jose might do what he normally and sarcastically said about managers with no pressure of trophy. I don't know how this jose-spurs combo would go, but in no way has Jose's success been built on millions of dollars, it been built on players doing his bidding. If anything, his downfall has been built on the money he spent, getting big names and egos who ended up screwing him over (Costa, pogba).

[coolhead23 1,147]

Spurs would suit Jose perfectly ... he has his type of players, underdogs, striker who can score, can play a physical game ... couple of things to be added/removed and they could be strong from the next season. Also with Jose coming in Kane and Eriksen might just stay put which will be a big thing for Spurs ... 

Plus he brings the experience of the PL which is a massive advantage. I sincerely hope it is not Jose at Spurs.  

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14 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

How many hundreds of million dollars did Jose need to win the 2 CLs he did with porto and inter? People seem to forget their histories or may be just selective remember things for their own agendas. 

Mourinho spent approximately 150 million across 2 seasons at Inter Milan. The transfer market may not been so busted like now 10-11 years ago but he still went out there and spent. It's only at Porto where he didn't have big spending budget. Otherwise, he's pretty much spent big with other clubs and always want big signings. And when he doesn't get what he wants, he throws his toys out of the pram. 

14 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

With no urgent need of success, Jose might do what he normally and sarcastically said about managers with no pressure of trophy. I don't know how this jose-spurs combo would go, but in no way has Jose's success been built on millions of dollars, it been built on players doing his bidding. If anything, his downfall has been built on the money he spent, getting big names and egos who ended up screwing him over (Costa, pogba).

It's been built on players doing his bidding? Doesn't that apply to every other manager? Every manager go out there to spend and buy players that fit what they want and Mourinho has been one of the very few managers who's been able to spend A LOT. He spent like over 300 million at United, for example, it got him/them nowhere. 

Mourinho might be okay with not challenging for trophies immediately but after a season or two perhaps, he would want to do so and that means, he would want to spend (similar to our case in 2013/14 & 2014/15) and Levy has been very stingy when it comes to spending.

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30 minutes ago, Jason said:

Mourinho spent approximately 150 million across 2 seasons at Inter Milan. The transfer market may not been so busted like now 10-11 years ago but he still went out there and spent. It's only at Porto where he didn't have big spending budget. Otherwise, he's pretty much spent big with other clubs and always want big signings. And when he doesn't get what he wants, he throws his toys out of the pram. 

It's been built on players doing his bidding? Doesn't that apply to every other manager? Every manager go out there to spend and buy players that fit what they want and Mourinho has been one of the very few managers who's been able to spend A LOT. He spent like over 300 million at United, for example, it got him/them nowhere. 

Mourinho might be okay with not challenging for trophies immediately but after a season or two perhaps, he would want to do so and that means, he would want to spend (similar to our case in 2013/14 & 2014/15) and Levy has been very stingy when it comes to spending.

2008-09: Spent: 65.4, Sold: 7.6

2009-10: Spent: 94.2, Sold: 109.1

Total net spend = 42.9 for 2 seasons. I dont think that is anywhere near hundreds of millions. Also, I dont see a sense of counting etoo as a 30 mil buy when they lost one of the best strikers in world football in the same deal. Spurs have a net spend of 110 mil for the last 5 seasons, so pretty much in the same ball park. Is not it? 

When I said its been built of players doing his bidding, it was based on the fact that most of his success was not based on world class players playing teams out of the park. porto had no world class players when they won the CL. JT, DD, Lamps, Essien, Cole , ferreira, carvalho were not world class players in 04/05. 

I am not disagreeing that he HAS spent a lot. And infact, I feel that has been his downfall and the way spurs are might actually help him in that case. With a stingy budget and wages as well as poorer pull of the club, he will have to settle for tier B players. I also feel all of these things (budget constraints) would have been discussed by the likes of JOse and Levy before hand, would not it? As much as we would like, those people are not stupid and actually do know what they are doing. 

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I hope Spurs fans like joga bonito!

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15 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

2008-09: Spent: 65.4, Sold: 7.6

2009-10: Spent: 94.2, Sold: 109.1

Total net spend = 42.9 for 2 seasons. I dont think that is anywhere near hundreds of millions. Also, I dont see a sense of counting etoo as a 30 mil buy when they lost one of the best strikers in world football in the same deal. Spurs have a net spend of 110 mil for the last 5 seasons, so pretty much in the same ball park. Is not it? 

Spending big money is still spending big money. Besides, you’re counting just 2 clubs. What about Chelsea (twice), Real Madrid and Man United? Main point here is he’s always gone to clubs with big spending power - apart from Porto but that was more than 15 years ago - and Spurs don’t quite fit the bill.

16 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

When I said its been built of players doing his bidding, it was based on the fact that most of his success was not based on world class players playing teams out of the park. porto had no world class players when they won the CL. JT, DD, Lamps, Essien, Cole , ferreira, carvalho were not world class players in 04/05. 

I am not disagreeing that he HAS spent a lot. And infact, I feel that has been his downfall and the way spurs are might actually help him in that case. With a stingy budget and wages as well as poorer pull of the club, he will have to settle for tier B players. I also feel all of these things (budget constraints) would have been discussed by the likes of JOse and Levy before hand, would not it? As much as we would like, those people are not stupid and actually do know what they are doing. 

Our situation in 2004/05 was somewhat different than now. It allowed a tad more room to get young and upcoming players and build from there. Moreover, Mourinho spent quite a bit during his first spell here, let’s not forget that.

If Mourinho has suddenly made 180 degrees change, then fair play but if his recent history is anything to go by, then this won’t go well at Spurs because he’s not going to be able to spend big money. When he came back here in 2013, he looked like a changed man, calling himself ‘The Happy One’ and all that but it didn’t take long before he reverted to his old self.

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17 minutes ago, Jason said:

Spending big money is still spending big money. Besides, you’re counting just 2 clubs. What about Chelsea (twice), Real Madrid and Man United? Main point here is he’s always gone to clubs with big spending power - apart from Porto but that was more than 15 years ago - and Spurs don’t quite fit the bill.

Our situation in 2004/05 was somewhat different than now. It allowed a tad more room to get young and upcoming players and build from there. Moreover, Mourinho spent quite a bit during his first spell here, let’s not forget that.

If Mourinho has suddenly made 180 degrees change, then fair play but if his recent history is anything to go by, then this won’t go well at Spurs because he’s not going to be able to spend big money. When he came back here in 2013, he looked like a changed man, calling himself ‘The Happy One’ and all that but it didn’t take long before he reverted to his old self.

Read what I said in the first post. I think it was self explanatory. You said "he won't get hundreds of millions to spend", I said his most successful stints have been when he has not had hundreds of millions to spend. So I don't know why you are shifting goals posts now by bringing United in the picture. I think the point is can Jose do a good job with stringent transfer budget or not. And the answer is yes, he can, and he has. 

What a weird thing to say "big money spent is money spent". Really? So we would be fine selling Kante and getting let's say a washed out modric + 100m and saying that see, we spent 30/40m on modric. Cause that's exactly the kind of transfer ibra = etoo+cash was. Just looking at spend is wrong as it does not show how much quality the team lost compared to what's it gained. 

In his first stint here, he had a mid table team. Spurs are anything but that, they have some quality and are the CL finalist. I don't think this and that are comparable. 

As for his 2ns stint, a title challenge to the 2nd last week, and a PL title in the first 2 years off a team that has struggled to get top 4 in the 2 seasons before that (11/12, 12/13). Not bad, was it? Yes, things did not end well, but how much of it was on Jose and him reverting to his old self, how much on the board and how much on the players, is up for discussion. Only thing I would say is, he wanted a CM and a CB, as did Conte who got Kante and Luiz the next summer. 

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9 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Didn't Lyon president said like month ago Jose rejected Lyon waiting for job in London or something. It all makes sense now. 

Lyon would be fun for a year or two just because of the FOOD. Best on the planet, IMHO. 

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