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Just now, Azul said:

It's very easy to say all of this after the season has started. Where did you expect us to finish compared to Spurs before the season started?
I can guarantee that you did not predict that Spurs will finish above Chelsea this season. Now if you believed all of this how come you didn't believe so before the season started?

I didn't know what to expect from us before the season started because we had no pre-season, had new players coming in etc but at the bare minimum, I expect a Top 4 finish. That is a must, even now.

Moreover, things can change and expectations can also change. I mean, who expected this season to be so bonkers? Who expected us to be sitting close to the top after 11-12 games? Who expected Spurs to even be up there? Who expected City to be languishing close to mid-table? 

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5 minutes ago, Azul said:

That's near to impossible and it's not going to happen. Instead of using fiction use a logical estimation of how many points Spurs and Chelsea are going to get.

Assuming we get 75-80 points and Spurs do as well but finish above us then yes Lampard should get sacked.

Okay then using the exact same metric with no projections on points total if we have a shocking season but still finish above City then we can't sack Lampard because we finished above a team funded by a country.

I'll be the first to call for a change if I believe there's not enough progress but I'll be basing it on our own performances not what other teams do.

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Finishing Top 4 was the bare minimum. Forget Spurs. Lampard's season will be based on that and whether or not we see actual progression. 
Closing the gap on Liverpool and the other title contenders was the objective this season. Top four was our objective last season and Lampard has passed the test. Now he has to challenge for the title, especially when the circumstances have changed dramatically. Liverpools whole squad is injured, City is in shambles and we have to take the opportunity this season. If Spurs do and actually win or finish above us, then the progression is not enough.

Do people really think we'll easily win the league next year? VVD, Gomez and even more players will be fit for Liverpool. They might even add more WC players to their squad. City will probably invest more than 200m and sign the likes of Haaland, Messi etc. I have no belief that a team who can't finish above Spurs this season can all of sudden challenge against a fully fit Liverpool team and a transformed Man City team.
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I didn't know what to expect from us before the season started because we had no pre-season, had new players coming in etc but at the bare minimum, I expect a Top 4 finish. That is a must, even now.
Moreover, things can change and expectations can also change. I mean, who expected this season to be so bonkers? Who expected us to be sitting close to the top after 11-12 games? Who expected Spurs to even be up there? Who expected City to be languishing close to mid-table? 
I expected us to finish close the top, because we invested enormous amount of money and we finished fourth last year. Seeing as Lampard had more time to fine tune his tactics and also added so much quality to his side, it's only normal for us to do much better.

Lampard can still turn things around, all I'm talking about is what'll happen at the end of the season.
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4 minutes ago, Azul said:

Closing the gap on Liverpool and the other title contenders was the objective this season. Top four was our objective last season and Lampard has passed the test. Now he has to challenge for the title, especially when the circumstances have changed dramatically. Liverpools whole squad is injured, City is in shambles and we have to take the opportunity this season. If Spurs do and actually win or finish above us, then the progression is not enough.

Do people really think we'll easily win the league next year? VVD, Gomez and even more players will be fit for Liverpool. They might even add more WC players to their squad. City will probably invest more than 200m and sign the likes of Haaland, Messi etc. I have no belief that a team who can't finish above Spurs this season can all of sudden challenge against a fully fit Liverpool team and a transformed Man City team.

A big reason we finished 30 points behind was because of the naivety in not only the squad, but the manager. To suggest we can make up those 30 points in the space of a season, one that's congested as this and no preseason, is unrealistic. We saw last night the same naivety we saw all last season. It is still there and can't go away over night. You are asking quite a lot if you expect a title challenge. 

Lampard's task was to comfortably finish in the Top 4. He doesn't do that, we won't challenge next season and I would actually lose my faith in him to carry us forward. 

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Okay then using the exact same metric with no projections on points total if we have a shocking season but still finish above City then we can't sack Lampard because we finished above a team funded by a country.
I'll be the first to call for a change if I believe there's not enough progress but I'll be basing it on our own performances not what other teams do.
Our projected points based on how we started the season is definitely not 90 points mate, the same goes for Spurs. I think we'll get 75-85 points and thats me being generous, if Spurs get the same and finish above us then you have to question your manager rookie or not.

In this hectic season, it's very easy to understand that no one except for Liverpool(who've done it before) can get 90+ points.

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A big reason we finished 30 points behind was because of the naivety in not only the squad, but the manager. To suggest we can make up those 30 points in the space of a season, one that's congested as this and no preseason, is unrealistic. We saw last night the same naivety we saw all last season. It is still there and can't go away over night. You are asking quite a lot if you expect a title challenge. 
Lampard's task was to comfortably finish in the Top 4. He doesn't do that, we won't challenge next season and I would actually lose my faith in him to carry us forward. 
You should apply context and understand where I'm coming from. I dont expect us to close the gap on the Liverpool team we faced last season but do I expect us to close the gap on the injured Liverpool side we're facing now? Hell yes. I'm not naive enough to believe we'll get 90+ points but I don't think Liverpool will get those kind of numbers. So based on that I believe we should challenge and close the gap.
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