The English Football Thread

[didierforever 7,349]

  On 25/11/2013 at 15:35, The_Flash said:

You just showed you don't even READ what I am writing so it's is extremely tedious even discussing it with you but I would like to point out if you can bother to actually read what I am saying instead of rambling on.

Ferguson has got some of the best players in the world and it was not a comparison it was fact, if Fergie was there Ronaldo would have been back at OT.

Moyes is NOT a decent manager, he has done nothing of merit. You don't know him personally so can't say he is a decent man, suing a kid for some rubbish in an autobiography isn't very decent to me??

Don't you think for one second he wasn't given the opportunity to splash the cash they were supposed to have bid 100m for Bale, he has all the money and everything at his disposal.

MOYES IS WHY NOONE CAME!!!!

God even Baines didn't want to go, he was probably happy to see the back of him.

I really dont care about him, I have family members who have supported Utd for a long time and are sad such a inadequate person was chosen to manage such a big club.

You like him good for you

Funny how you slag Torres a quality player but big up a pathetic manager .

Each to their own.

i did bother reading your post and was simply confounded. so i am not gonna bother arguing with some1 with such blind hatred.

CR would have their? how do u know? was SAF able to get hazard, moura or oscar when he wanted to? NO.

he did have the oppurtunity to spend but he decided to give the PL winning squad the benefit of doubt to prove themselves.

suprisingly how baines was so happy but fellaini came in. so dont think u make any sense there.

you hate him, good for u.

torres is a very quality player, something which is very contradictory to what i have seen for the last 3 years.

[Tomo 21,741]

  On 25/11/2013 at 14:39, didierforever said:

precisely. SAF was there for years. yet he dint win anything for his first 4 years but people are already ridiculing moyes after 4 months.

Ferguson inherited a poisonous squad with an alcohol culture (or something along them lines), Moyes has inherited a squad that walked the title last season, and lost out on GD the season before.

Ofcourse it's still early, but so far Moyes is showing all the traits that had me vocal in my view that we should never have considered him for the manager's gig at Stamford Bridge (basically most of the traits Roy showed at Liverpool).

[Tomo 21,741]

  On 25/11/2013 at 15:35, The_Flash said:

Moyes is NOT a decent manager, he has done nothing of merit.

Come on, he did a decent enough job at Everton, no it was not the work of miracle's people like to claim it was and no he wasn't and still isn't good enough to merit the United job, but he did a decent job at Everton overall, no more, no less.

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  On 24/11/2013 at 17:02, bushman said:

Remind me...

too bored to haha

[didierforever 7,349]

  On 25/11/2013 at 15:48, Tomo said:

Ferguson inherited a poisonous squad with an alcohol culture (or something along them lines), Moyes has inherited a squad that walked the title last season, and lost out on GD the season before.

Ofcourse it's still early, but so far Moyes is showing all the traits that had me vocal in my view that we should never have considered him for the manager's gig at Stamford Bridge (basically most of the traits Roy showed at Liverpool).

i agree that moyes was not the best choice for a manager for a club like united/chelsea. but to judge him on this united squad inspite of united being 5th and just a point behind city is WRONG!!!!.

if i ask u this question - rate the PL squad on their strengths and class, united will come 4th after city, chelsea and arsenal (in that order), atleast for me.

[Tomo 21,741]

  On 25/11/2013 at 16:37, didierforever said:

i agree that moyes was not the best choice for a manager for a club like united/chelsea. but to judge him on this united squad inspite of united being 5th and just a point behind city is WRONG!!!!.

if i ask u this question - rate the PL squad on their strengths and class, united will come 4th after city, chelsea and arsenal (in that order), atleast for me.

Top 4 for United is absolute minimum requirement (i still think they will get top 3, they won't lose the Fergie factor overnight) and tbh i still think that would be very underwhelming for Moyes.

Because they won the title so easily last season, Moyes should at the very least have them challenging for him to be able to say he/United have had a good season, i mean after Jose left we took a United side at the peak of their powers all the way under Avram Grant.

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

Red Nose has done wonders with that squad, he's won the league with one decent midfielder (Carrick). Moyes is maybe underperforming but not as much as some try to point out. This United team needs a lot of strengthening to be even close to City and us.

[didierforever 7,349]

  On 25/11/2013 at 16:44, Tomo said:

Top 4 for United is absolute minimum requirement (i still think they will get top 3, they won't lose the Fergie factor overnight) and tbh i still think that would be very underwhelming for Moyes.

Because they won the title so easily last season, Moyes should at the very least have them challenging for him to be able to say he/United have had a good season, i mean after Jose left we took a United side at the peak of their powers all the way under Avram Grant.

we had a squad of DD, sheva, lamps, JT, make etc all in their prime. for united except for rvp and rooney, who can u say is in their prime or even close to the squad we had at that point of time.

as for united, i have no doubts that they ll make top 4. people are underestimating them which is not good.

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I luv how a number of ppl are stating that the united team is not close to city or us.. and ignoring the fact that arsenal r over a game ahead of the pack..

Or just hoping they bottle it as usual...

[The_Flash 1,144]

  On 25/11/2013 at 15:46, didierforever said:

i did bother reading your post and was simply confounded. so i am not gonna bother arguing with some1 with such blind hatred.

CR would have their? how do u know? was SAF able to get hazard, moura or oscar when he wanted to? NO.

he did have the oppurtunity to spend but he decided to give the PL winning squad the benefit of doubt to prove themselves.

suprisingly how baines was so happy but fellaini came in. so dont think u make any sense there.

you hate him, good for u.

torres is a very quality player, something which is very contradictory to what i have seen for the last 3 years.

Why did you just repeat the same thing? Who was talking about Hazard etc??? NOONE!

I'm not judging him on Utd how can anyone? He inherited a championship winning team.

No he didn't decide to go with the current squad, god how can you be so clueless?

HE. COULDNT GET ANYONE!!!

Even if he could he will have to pay way over the odds like with Fellani .

I don't hate him but I find your LOVE for him almost comical.

There was a fairly well known rumour that he had met with representatives and we're discussing many lucrative sponsorship deals to help pay his fee.

All that talk of how unhappy he was at Madrid then Fergie and David Gill goes and suddenly Real up his pay and he is staying and so happy. I believe it would have been different.

And as you said 'the PL winning team, what the. **** did THEY need to prove to him??? Lol.

[didierforever 7,349]

  On 25/11/2013 at 19:24, The_Flash said:

Why did you just repeat the same thing? Who was talking about Hazard etc??? NOONE!

I'm not judging him on Utd how can anyone? He inherited a championship winning team.

No he didn't decide to go with the current squad, god how can you be so clueless?

HE. COULDNT GET ANYONE!!!

Even if he could he will have to pay way over the odds like with Fellani .

I don't hate him but I find your LOVE for him almost comical.

There was a fairly well known rumour that he had met with representatives and we're discussing many lucrative sponsorship deals to help pay his fee.

All that talk of how unhappy he was at Madrid then Fergie and David Gill goes and suddenly Real up his pay and he is staying and so happy. I believe it would have been different.

And as you said 'the PL winning team, what the. **** did THEY need to prove to him??? Lol.

he dint decide to go with the current squad??? so how many defenders were united even linked to? how many other strikers? wingers? the only position moyes even tried to improve the squad was in the middle cos they are so hopelessly exposed in it. u really need to understand things before rambling on about the same thing over and over again.

i dont love him. i just feel he needs to be given a real chance. a true chance. i dont think he has done anything to deserve the blind hate u r giving him.

so how is the CR situation moyes' fault? is any1 here in their right mind (except for u), even comparing moyes and saf. i really doubt that. plus to say things like RM would have sold CR at this point shows how muc u know about RM in reality. we are talking about a team which sold one of the best play-makers in the world just to increase their brand value to buy another flamboyant winger in bale. RM would not sell CR for a 100mil. they dont need to. they make more money out of him every year anyways thru shirt sales and sponsors and every1 knows money is all the RM president/board care about.

so by your logic players like anderson, nani, young, buttner, fabio, smalling, welbeck, chicharito dint need to prove anything since they got a PL medal last season. GREAT POINT.

[Tomo 21,741]

  On 25/11/2013 at 17:53, didierforever said:

we had a squad of DD, sheva, lamps, JT, make etc all in their prime. for united except for rvp and rooney, who can u say is in their prime or even close to the squad we had at that point of time.

as for united, i have no doubts that they ll make top 4. people are underestimating them which is not good.

Sheva wasn't in his prime for us, Didier was better in 06/07, Lampard yes, JT i personally believe hit his absolute prime in 2005 (but even in 2007, he was better than most defenders in his prime he was that good, he was just a monster in 2005).

The main point i mean is like the winning mentality created by Ferguson won't disappear overnight so Moyes will have to be a proper dope not to get them in the top 4 and i still believe United are good enough to atleast challenge, anything else and i actually think Moyes has underachieved in his first season if im honest.

[Special Juan 27,621]

Some goal that by Shane long.

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Long unreal again.

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Shane Long, what a footballer.

[Tomo 21,741]

While on the topic of Shane Long, he seems to be Louis Saha's replacement for he plays against Chelsea, if you know what i mean.

[The_Flash 1,144]

  On 25/11/2013 at 19:34, didierforever said:

he dint decide to go with the current squad??? so how many defenders were united even linked to? how many other strikers? wingers? the only position moyes even tried to improve the squad was in the middle cos they are so hopelessly exposed in it. u really need to understand things before rambling on about the same thing over and over again.

i dont love him. i just feel he needs to be given a real chance. a true chance. i dont think he has done anything to deserve the blind hate u r giving him.

so how is the CR situation moyes' fault? is any1 here in their right mind (except for u), even comparing moyes and saf. i really doubt that. plus to say things like RM would have sold CR at this point shows how muc u know about RM in reality. we are talking about a team which sold one of the best play-makers in the world just to increase their brand value to buy another flamboyant winger in bale. RM would not sell CR for a 100mil. they dont need to. they make more money out of him every year anyways thru shirt sales and sponsors and every1 knows money is all the RM president/board care about.

so by your logic players like anderson, nani, young, buttner, fabio, smalling, welbeck, chicharito dint need to prove anything since they got a PL medal last season. GREAT POINT.

Yeah I think the team that is their won the title.

Your a funny guy, I can't be ****ed arguing with someone so confused.

You just carry on, get to bed with your man utd fleece

[didierforever 7,349]

  On 25/11/2013 at 20:43, The_Flash said:

Yeah I think the team that is their won the title.

Your a funny guy, I can't be ****ed arguing with someone so confused.

You just carry on, get to bed with your man utd fleece

i m not confused. i know exactly what i want. but i dont confuse my hatred of united to be chelsea's love as in some cases.