Superblue 6,372 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 There seems to be a general laziness and blanket assumptions that Everton's point deductions are a precursor for us and City. Each situation is completely different. With regards to ours, we've already declared to UEFA and settled with them. It wasn't a ridiculous fee that was paid (pretty sure a lot lower than some clubs have been penalised in the past) which would suggest that there were likely some FFP failures but perhaps nothing too excessive. The Premier League P&S rules are more lenient than UEFA FFP (note Everton made losses of more than £300m but under the Premier League P&S rules this loss was reduced down to around £125m), so there has always been a general assumption that if a club is adhering to UEFA FFP, they should automatically pass the Premier League one too. Therefore depending on how extreme these accounting mistakes may be, it might be found that we're still in compliance with the Premier League P&S, and therefore any punishment would only relate to reported mistakes, and having declared them ourselves, the punishment could and should be significantly lower than what Everton have suffered. If we have failed the Premier League P&S then the Everton punishment now sets a precedent. The recent reports regarding Roman paying certain expenses outside of the club so far are nothing more than reports and rumours. I think the ability to prove anything like this, which would involve potentially digging into finances beyond Chelsea, will be much more difficult and long winded. The Premier League confirmed they are currently investigating us the other day, but I think that purely relates currently to the errors we have self-declared and not this matter. Blue Armour and Fernando 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,443 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 4 hours ago, Superblue said: There seems to be a general laziness and blanket assumptions that Everton's point deductions are a precursor for us and City. Each situation is completely different. With regards to ours, we've already declared to UEFA and settled with them. It wasn't a ridiculous fee that was paid (pretty sure a lot lower than some clubs have been penalised in the past) which would suggest that there were likely some FFP failures but perhaps nothing too excessive. The Premier League P&S rules are more lenient than UEFA FFP (note Everton made losses of more than £300m but under the Premier League P&S rules this loss was reduced down to around £125m), so there has always been a general assumption that if a club is adhering to UEFA FFP, they should automatically pass the Premier League one too. Therefore depending on how extreme these accounting mistakes may be, it might be found that we're still in compliance with the Premier League P&S, and therefore any punishment would only relate to reported mistakes, and having declared them ourselves, the punishment could and should be significantly lower than what Everton have suffered. If we have failed the Premier League P&S then the Everton punishment now sets a precedent. The recent reports regarding Roman paying certain expenses outside of the club so far are nothing more than reports and rumours. I think the ability to prove anything like this, which would involve potentially digging into finances beyond Chelsea, will be much more difficult and long winded. The Premier League confirmed they are currently investigating us the other day, but I think that purely relates currently to the errors we have self-declared and not this matter. UEFA has already fined the club 10 million for inadequate financial reporting, after the new owners self-admitted, and have left it at that. I'd be surprised if the PL/FA response is drastically different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman2610 1,417 Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 20 hours ago, Blue Armour said: UEFA has already fined the club 10 million for inadequate financial reporting, after the new owners self-admitted, and have left it at that. I'd be surprised if the PL/FA response is drastically different. The FA will try and make an example of us - they always do. UEFA ruling means nothing to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,443 Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 3 hours ago, bluesman2610 said: The FA will try and make an example of us - they always do. UEFA ruling means nothing to them. All speculation at this point. Also the club hasn't officially been charged with anything. At this point. The FA regulations for FFP are also believed to be less severe than UEFA's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,700 Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Been a long time since our position on the table was directly behind City.. This 30 point deduction for both teams is big chance for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEVINAA 129 Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Chelsea fan Joey knight picks CFC best greatest 11. Cech James Carvalho Terry cole Makelele Lampard kante Hazard Zola Drogba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,326 Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 7 hours ago, KEVINAA said: Chelsea fan Joey knight picks CFC best greatest 11. Cech James Carvalho Terry cole Makelele Lampard kante Hazard Zola Drogba James maybe in the future. He is way behind Azpi and Iva. He never won PL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,383 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 On 19/11/2023 at 05:30, KEVINAA said: Chelsea fan Joey knight picks CFC best greatest 11. Cech James Carvalho Terry cole Makelele Lampard kante Hazard Zola Drogba Cech Ivanovic Carvalho Terry Cole Makelele Kante Lampard Zola Hazard Drogba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEVINAA 129 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 The Football Association has said it is prepared to review evidence of potentially serious breaches of agent rules in a transfer involving Tottenham Hotspur, Portsmouth and Jermain Defoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,319 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, KEVINAA said: The Football Association has said it is prepared to review evidence of potentially serious breaches of agent rules in a transfer involving Tottenham Hotspur, Portsmouth and Jermain Defoe Blimey that's going back a bit Seems the FA is acting like Putin in having 'kompromat' over dozens of clubs and transactions in order to pursue a relentless number of fines and an endless revenue stream bluesman2610 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,819 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,383 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 The only club that will really benefit from this is Newcastle. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,700 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 4 hours ago, KEVINAA said: The Football Association has said it is prepared to review evidence of potentially serious breaches of agent rules in a transfer involving Tottenham Hotspur, Portsmouth and Jermain Defoe FA never fails to disappoint.. After every weekend, people talk and protest against VAR and their idiot referees.. But let's take time to review if Jermaine Defoe (lol) broke some agent rule 20 years ago when he signed Portsmouth. Seriously, who TF care? Pompey got bankrupted and relegated to fourth tier(I think), Defoe has been retired for ages.. Very irrelevant story.. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,326 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 5 hours ago, KEVINAA said: The Football Association has said it is prepared to review evidence of potentially serious breaches of agent rules in a transfer involving Tottenham Hotspur, Portsmouth and Jermain Defoe Take all Spurs titles. bluesman2610 and Fulham Broadway 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,319 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Everton could land an additional financial penalty and another 7 point deduction. This comes amid claims that Leicester, Burnley, Leeds and Southampton – all of whom suffered relegation from the Premier League during the time since the investigation against Everton was launched – are banding together to claim for hundreds of millions of pounds in lost revenue. PL is fracturing big time - keep an eye on those six that tried to break away for a 'suoer league', they will feel 'its their time' again Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said: Everton could land an additional financial penalty and another 7 point deduction. This comes amid claims that Leicester, Burnley, Leeds and Southampton – all of whom suffered relegation from the Premier League during the time since the investigation against Everton was launched – are banding together to claim for hundreds of millions of pounds in lost revenue. PL is fracturing big time - keep an eye on those six that tried to break away for a 'suoer league', they will feel 'its their time' again Yep. Big clubs always get their way even after the ESL. Still a shambles we were involved in that and that the fines dished out where collectively about £25m between the 6 clubs. I hope that the PL change their approach and whilst this may sound crazy, if they find us or City to have breached their rules, actually do something drastic about it because they’ve done Everton pretty harshly IMO. But if this is the way they want to go, it needs to be consistent and the punishment has to befitting of the crime, simple as that. If not, clubs like Everton will feel hugely aggrieved and the big boys will keep doing as they please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 Those clubs didn’t get relegated because Everton spent a few million too many. They got relegated because they are tin pot and rubbish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,319 Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 6 hours ago, lucio said: Those clubs didn’t get relegated because Everton spent a few million too many. They got relegated because they are tin pot and rubbish Agree but where there's blame there's a claim - meanwhile the FA will look at how they can get more money out of it lucio and Vesper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,319 Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 7 hours ago, OneMoSalah said: Yep. Big clubs always get their way even after the ESL. Still a shambles we were involved in that and that the fines dished out where collectively about £25m between the 6 clubs. I hope that the PL change their approach and whilst this may sound crazy, if they find us or City to have breached their rules, actually do something drastic about it because they’ve done Everton pretty harshly IMO. But if this is the way they want to go, it needs to be consistent and the punishment has to befitting of the crime, simple as that. If not, clubs like Everton will feel hugely aggrieved and the big boys will keep doing as they please. You get the feeling Man City out of all the clubs -possibly Liverpool as well due to the permanent victim status- are untouchable. Agree Everton have been made an example of, probably as a deterrent to others, who will probably go unscathed apart from massive fines. OneMoSalah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,195 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 On 21/11/2023 at 13:46, KEVINAA said: The Football Association has said it is prepared to review evidence of potentially serious breaches of agent rules in a transfer involving Tottenham Hotspur, Portsmouth and Jermain Defoe maybe they send Portsmouth to a French pub league, lolol Le Pompey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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