The English Football Thread

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nope VAR chalked it off

shit call

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Mason Greenwood targeted with ‘die’ chants by fans on Getafe debut
The 21-year-old’s entry into the match – won 3-2 by Getafe – was met with hostility by Osasuna fans

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/09/17/mason-greenwood-getafe-debut-die-chants-osasuna-fans/

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this was written before the game tonight

Written off by many, Callum Hudson-Odoi could be bargain of the year

Exclusive interview: Winger says leaving Chelsea was emotional but he can return to his best under Steve Cooper at Nottingham Forest

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/09/18/callum-hudson-odoi-nottingham-forest-Chelsea-england-ghana/

 

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Odoi is twice the player Mudryk is at this time. I'm talking even when Odoi was ineffective, which indeed happened often after his injury.

I'm talking about the basics of movement, one-twos, tracking back, etc. Odoi is just a far more ready player in my book. 🤷‍♂️

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That's crazy. Why these players shit at us?

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  On 19/09/2023 at 01:05, Nero said:

 

That's crazy. Why these players shit at us?

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Callum Hudson-Odoi

Mykhailo Mudryk

[Thor 2,476]

When are y'all gonna keep realising it isn't the players, but the tactics and culture? 

"How do these players suddenly become shit when they come to us?"

We aren't putting them in positions to score. Simple. 

Haaland would be on a third of the goals he is on now if he was here. You wouldn't even know how good he actually is with the way we setup. 

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  On 19/09/2023 at 02:09, Thor said:

When are y'all gonna keep realising it isn't the players, but the tactics and culture? 

"How do these players suddenly become shit when they come to us?"

We aren't putting them in positions to score. Simple. 

Haaland would be on a third of the goals he is on now if he was here. You wouldn't even know how good he actually is with the way we setup. 

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so put you down as calling for a Poch sacking?

[robsblubot 3,595]

Ukraine league is just too weak to be used as reference, esp compared to the PL.
Where you play, who you play against, and who you play with means *everything*.

We are not cursed 😆 the demands of playing for a top club can be vastly different from playing for a smaller club: not only the pressure, but also strategies. Smaller teams do play differently with much different team setups.

It's quite common for players to not pan out at a bigger club who need to drop a level.

Come on... we play the PL with a U23 Olympic team with a bunch of nobodies ok "bets", but it's always the manager. 😅 replace Poch and it's going to be the same shit.
Start with the manager dance and we will find out how much lower can the club go.

Edited September 19, 2023 by robsblubot

[Thor 2,476]

  On 19/09/2023 at 03:21, Vesper said:

so put you down as calling for a Poch sacking?

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Sometimes thing don't click straight away. 

 

With Conte we lost and drew a bunch before we got going. I'm hoping that is the case here, and some time to grow into the players they can be. 

[OneMoSalah 8,826]

  On 19/09/2023 at 11:54, Thor said:

Sometimes thing don't click straight away. 

 

With Conte we lost and drew a bunch before we got going. I'm hoping that is the case here, and some time to grow into the players they can be. 

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Conte and Poch different in terms of coaching style and demeanour though. Plus Conte had already coached 343 in pre-season (why he didn’t roll with it from day 1 I don’t know) and it took everyone by shock - so it’s not really the same because Poch has played 343/352 and 4231 already and still nothing looks quite comfortable.

Plus that squad was much much better, so many more competent top top players so that was always going to help, regardless. We don’t have that quality or even the knowhow on how to win games playing poorly due to lacking these sort of players (the likes of Costa, Hazard, Pedro, Kante, Cesc etc).

It’s going to be a long season again.

Edited September 19, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[MoroccanBlue 5,322]

Can blame the players but for me the tactics are equally poor and aren't getting any better. Predictable attacking play that's piss easy to defend against. 

Edited September 19, 2023 by MoroccanBlue

[OneMoSalah 8,826]

  On 19/09/2023 at 15:12, MoroccanBlue said:

Can blame the players but for me the tactics are equally poor and aren't getting any better. Predictable attacking play that's piss easy to defend against. 

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I think some of the patterns may take time but I know a lack of proven quality in attack outside of Sterling and Nkunku is going to be an issue throughout the whole season.

Don’t know what to expect from half of the other guys week in week out.

You can be the best drilled team in the world but without genuine quality, you will struggle to make the difference.

Edited September 19, 2023 by OneMoSalah

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Brentford fear Rico Henry out for season with serious knee injury 😓

 

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Bernardo Silva injury: Pep Guardiola confirms Man City playmaker to miss time as Arsenal showdown looms

The Portuguese international was forced off early against Red Star Belgrade as Pep Guardiola’s absentee list lengthens further

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/bernardo-silva-injury-man-city-pep-guardiola-arsenal-b1108145.html

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The True Geordie The Kick Off

Why Chelsea will struggle this season

 

Edited September 20, 2023 by KEVINAA

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More injuries to players than ever these days.