The English Football Thread

[manpe 10,861]

1 minute ago, Pizy said:

Still pains me every time I see De Bruyne play. The perfect midfielder. Probably the one player outside Chelsea in the PL that I'm genuinely jealous of.

He'd probably never had reached this level with us. He'd still be playing only mickey mouse games in cups and some minutes of pity in the league.

[manpe 10,861]

1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

But it isn't just Leicester. It's Spurs away. Arsenal away. Liverpool at home. Season after season he's given United points. That is my point as that is what a top class keeper does. I've been on this forum for a week and believe me the words 'great keeper' and 'top class' has been thrown around for Kepa, which in my opinion is unjustified. That is why I brought up DeGea. He's a young decent keeper who fits the system. 

Also mad how you are so forgiving on Kepa given it is his first season yet have pitchforks for Sarri. 

You seem to have forgotten what a trainwreck De Gea was in his debut season. He couldn't keep out a long shot to save his life, people (including us) were taking the piss out of him. If you're going to compare, compare on equal grounds. Debutant Kepa blows debutant DDG out of the water.

[Fulham Broadway 17,313]

Arsenal such bottlers, they seem to have thrown in the towel already. Lacazette and Aubameyang can't be arsed to track back. Should have their wages docked.

[Johnnyeye 7,509]

1 minute ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Arsenal such bottlers, they seem to have thrown in the towel already. Lacazette and Aubameyang can't be arsed to track back. Should have their wages docked.

and yet we make them look great fml

[NikkiCFC 8,319]

Just now, Fulham Broadway said:

Arsenal such bottlers, they seem to have thrown in the towel already. Lacazette and Aubameyang can't be arsed to track back. Should have their wages docked.

Liverpool scored 5 against them City could easily do the same.  They are horrible defensively and yet we didn't have shoot on target against them?! 

[Fulham Broadway 17,313]

Just now, Johnnyeye said:

and yet we make them look great fml

But not as good as Bournemouth 

[manpe 10,861]

Just now, NikkiCFC said:

Liverpool scored 5 against them City could easily do the same.  They are horrible defensively and yet we didn't have shoot on target against them?! 

When talking about bottlers you can't leave us out of the conversation. Arse bottled against us in the beginning, we bottled the last one. It's a competition between us who bottles the least.

[Johnnyeye 7,509]

Aguero is simply lethal, one of the best strikers in world football, he's a cunt of course but credit where is due.

[Johnnyeye 7,509]

Just now, Fulham Broadway said:

But not as good as Bournemouth 

i still have nightmares because of that

[Fulham Broadway 17,313]

Just now, NikkiCFC said:

Liverpool scored 5 against them City could easily do the same.  They are horrible defensively and yet we didn't have shoot on target against them?! 

Yes, think that says more about the mental state of CFC at the moment. Schizophrenic. 

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, NikkiCFC said:

Liverpool scored 5 against them City could easily do the same.  They are horrible defensively and yet we didn't have shoot on target against them?! 

Not getting a shot on target against them was definitely rubbish and unforgivable but what I would say is, they are at least OKAY-ish at home. They did thrash Spurs and draw with Liverpool. It's away from home where they are always found wanting.

[Fulham Broadway 17,313]

Just now, Johnnyeye said:

i still have nightmares because of that

It was horrible. I usually only get lairy for an hour after a defeat, but that lingered like a scousers fart.

[Laylabelle 9,535]

6 minutes ago, Jason said:

Not getting a shot on target against them was definitely rubbish and unforgivable but what I would say is, they are at least OKAY-ish at home. They did thrash Spurs and draw with Liverpool. It's away from home where they are always found wanting.

We did get a shot! Just in the 80th minute... Woooohey us. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,313]

West Ham to play their socks off tomorrow please

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

42 minutes ago, Jason said:

Since you like comparing the two so much, have you forgotten how bad De Gea was when he first came to England (not that I'm implying or saying Kepa has been bad)? Sure, De Gea has done well overall for Man United all these years but the only reason why he has caught the eye so often is because United concede a lot of shots (a lot more than the other top sides), forcing De Gea to continuously make saves (some his own good work, some because of shit finishing). Is it really a good thing when your keeper has to make so many saves?

This league season alone, United have conceded 13.1 shots per game and De Gea has had to make 90 saves overall - second highest in the league. Us? 8.9 shots per game - third lowest in the league - and Kepa has made 52 saves - fifth lowest but more than Alisson and Ederson, keepers of the current top two sides. Kepa, Alisson, Ederson etc all do make good saves but they just don't get much attention because their team do not put them under pressure all the time. If your definition of a "top class" keeper is only about the saves one makes, then guess everyone except Fabianski, who has made the most saves this season, are bad?

Think majority are pretty happy with Kepa's performance so far. You're the only one who seems to be upset about Kepa because he hasn't made the saves you want him to make.  

I do remember how poor De Gea was when he first came, hence why I didn't rate him top class at the time. Much like I am doing with Kepa because I am actually taking off my blue tinted glasses and analyse him as a goalkeeper. I'm not sure why you are bringing this comparison up when all it does is strengthen my argument. Mind you, i'm not implying Kepa won't ever get better, I am rating him as he is now, and he isn't a top class keeper. 

Again, I've already stated I have no problem with Kepa in this team. I understand it's his first season and he is doing what he can. I will always be open minded in that regard. However, It's a proper piss take when people who are so ready to pull the trigger on Sarri, defend Kepa with the main argument being 'it's his first season'. Mental how Sarri can't get that same convenience when it's his first season, still doesn't have his players, and is trying to change the entire playing culture at the club. 

 

 

[NikkiCFC 8,319]

2 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I do remember how poor De Gea was when he first came, hence why I didn't rate him top class at the time. Much like I am doing with Kepa because I am actually taking off my blue tinted glasses and analyse him as a goalkeeper. I'm not sure why you are bringing this comparison up when all it does is strengthen my argument. Mind you, i'm not implying Kepa won't ever get better, I am rating him as he is now, and he isn't a top class keeper. 

Again, I've already stated I have no problem with Kepa in this team. I understand it's his first season and he is doing what he can. I will always be open minded in that regard. However, It's a proper piss take when people who are so ready to pull the trigger on Sarri, defend Kepa with the main argument being 'it's his first season'. Mental how Sarri can't get that same convenience when it's his first season, still doesn't have his players, and is trying to change the entire playing culture at the club. 

 

 

Defend from what? Who's criticizes him?  Like Vesper said I wouldn't swap him one for one with any other goalkeeper in the world! 

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

2 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Defend from what? Who's criticizes him?  Like Vesper said I wouldn't swap him one for one with any other goalkeeper in the world! 

In terms of potential, he is up there among the best. As of now, there are literally a handful of keepers better. 

[Jase 43,479]

10 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I do remember how poor De Gea was when he first came, hence why I didn't rate him top class at the time. Much like I am doing with Kepa because I am actually taking off my blue tinted glasses and analyse him as a goalkeeper. I'm not sure why you are bringing this comparison up when all it does is strengthen my argument. Mind you, i'm not implying Kepa won't ever get better, I am rating him as he is now, and he isn't a top class keeper. 

Last I remember, you were the one who brought up the comparison in the first place and as manpe said, if you are gonna compare them, at least compare their first seasons rather than De Gea's 8th with Kepa's first. And no, it doesn't strengthen your argument. If anything, the fact that you just ignored the points/stats thrown at you says it all. 

15 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Again, I've already stated I have no problem with Kepa in this team. I understand it's his first season and he is doing what he can. I will always be open minded in that regard. However, It's a proper piss take when people who are so ready to pull the trigger on Sarri, defend Kepa with the main argument being 'it's his first season'. Mental how Sarri can't get that same convenience when it's his first season, still doesn't have his players, and is trying to change the entire playing culture at the club. 

People see and believe that Kepa is doing well while Sarri isn't and that's why we have had all the views on the matter. It isn't so much about their first seasons etc. It's as simple as that. If you want to believe differently, then go ahead and do so.

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

49 minutes ago, Jason said:

Last I remember, you were the one who brought up the comparison in the first place and as manpe said, if you are gonna compare them, at least compare their first seasons rather than De Gea's 8th with Kepa's first. And no, it doesn't strengthen your argument. If anything, the fact that you just ignored the points/stats thrown at you says it all. 

People see and believe that Kepa is doing well while Sarri isn't and that's why we have had all the views on the matter. It isn't so much about their first seasons etc. It's as simple as that. If you want to believe differently, then go ahead and do so.

A member I won't mention stated Kepa is top class. Another member I won't mention also said Kepa is a great keeper. 

I disagreed with them because I have yet to see anything from Kepa to justify that. Too early for that.  Neat distribution isn't enough for me. He hasn't made any saves that have secured us points. Which is what a top keeper does. I then brought up De Gea as he has justified himself by being so highly valued, given he has secured his team points time and time again. 

There was then a massive defence for Kepa stating that he should be compared to De Gea on his first season as well. So again, how does this not strengthen my argument? De Gea wasn't a top class keeper then. Just like Kepa isn't now. 

 

I find the whole thing ironic given your constant rants regarding Sarri. You need to be consistent with your arguments, especially the 'it's his first season' one.

I can see what Sarri is trying to do and I can also see we have a lack of quality to execute it properly. Even Napoli fans are stating we don't have enough technical players. 

We've come too far to bring Sarri in to just merely sack him and start all over. In a time where the market is SO inflated, a transfer ban looming, and our loan policy to be restricted; We need Stability more than anything. 

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

Drogba and Aguero - these two are in a league of their own when it comes to big match strikers.