Fulham 0-0 Chelsea

[JoulJoul 20]

The Blues paid 50 million pounds for Torres, was probably the most stupid transfer in history IMO

Torres and Drogba can not play together

[Gianfranco_Z 202]

The Blues paid 50 million pounds for Torres, was probably the most stupid transfer in history IMO

Shut up, it's 2 games in.

:moaning:

[Guest justin_3d]

The Blues paid 50 million pounds for Torres, was probably the most stupid transfer in history IMO

Torres and Drogba can not play together

I don't think so.

Torres will be good.

The problem here, is that Chelsea bought him soon. He was not needed as much as a winger and a creative midfielder. Should have spend the money on Neymar and Ganso as they are really needed now, and then got Torres in the future.

But oh well, we got him, and he will improve with us.

However for the summer need a winger and a creative midfield.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Torres will come good.

I repeat what I said the day after we signed him - that won't happen until next season.

[Krypt 241]

We lack the sort of player that can break down a defence. Orginally Lampard would be fantastic at this but after he has come back he has been a shadow of his former self. Im really worried about getting in the top 4 now. I even think if we would have played for another hour we wouldnt have scored.

[Clevemayer 764]

So guys this can't be true, if anybody of you have learnt to know me in the last couple of years, than you will know me for being one of the last persons who want to sack the manager, but if the manager isn't responsible for a whole squad, I repeat, a WHOLE squad out of form then I will tell you, yes he is, he is, he is and he is! If you want to, you can find reasons and excuses for anything that happens, even for Hitler! You could tell us he was a poor poor little old man who didn't know what he was doing and didn't ment to kill millions of people, but the bottom line is, he was a sick bastard who exactly KNEW what he was doing. Sometimes when I read these posts with the whole "Carlo isn't responsible for the players on the field"-shit I really doubt my knowing about the tasks of a football manager.

First of all: A manager of a football team has a staff behind him but he has to watch a game closely and see any weak links of his team. After this he goes to his staff and tells them which shit they've got to get sorted out is it passing the ball quicker, is it his technical ability, is it his stamina, is it his heading, is it shooting, is it decision making, in short terms, every fu**ing single weak point of a player has to be sorted out through Carlo, telling his staff, which training is needed, than he has to take a close look in training. If Carlo discovers that the player hasn't worked enough in the training, he has to take a place on the bench, if not he has to go to the stands, simple as that. Note Carlo has to discover weak links and communicate them to his staff

Second: Carlo has to instill the winning mentality into his players. This willingness to get his foot on the last ball for the last shot in the last minute of the match, this will to push the ball behind the line with every part of his body. The players must have the will to win every Mickey Mouse-Cup or Milkiway-Cup on this Planet, the only possible outcome of a match in the heads of a player must be a win, nothing else, like Guss, Mou and even the players themselves, when we in a fact had no manager (Grant-Era), did. Note Carlo has to instill winning mentality

Third: Carlo has to give his players Hunger. These kinds of hunger to bite, scratch, tackle and fight for every inch of ground on the Field. This kind of hunger you need against "big" teams (Real, Barca, Manbuh, Liversum…) to get all over them and smile at them when they don't find any space, take them every space to breath, like Guus did with Mikel when he ALONE owned the whole Barca midfield, or when Essien absolutely destroyed Xavi in the second leg. This kind of hunger for winning, for two footed tackles in the box, no fears no respect for anybody. Note Carlo has to instill Hunger and determination

Fourth: Carlo has to have the guts, to place any player on the bench or in the stands. He has to select the team and is responsible for the players on the field, if even fans who have no clue about the football world know better than Carlo which player doesn't justify his selection than something is wrong. I would take Sala or Mellis over Malouda and Essien any day, because at least, they would give it their all! Note Carlo must be brave enough to leave ALL stars on the bench if needed

Let's take a look on all this points:

1^st discover weak links and communicate them to the staff, does Carlo? NO, if there was one or two players not fit and sharp you could say, OK the player is a bitch and don't gets his shit sorted out, but a WHOLE squad out of form talks for itself

2^nd Instill winning mentality, does Carlo? NO, in fact we look like a team that is happy not to lose and try to avoid defeat

3^rd Instill Hunger and determination, does Carlo? NO, just look at our players, we look like puppies with no teeth in our jaws, a disgrace to Denis wise and our former Self (Terry, Drogs, Lamps, Riccy, Maka, Zola all fighting pit bulls on the field)

4^th Brave enough to leave players out of form on the Bench, does Carlo? NO, if you've taken a look for the last four months you will know why

I'm not trying to tell you that Carlo isn't CAPABLE of doing this or not TRYING to do this, but it seems like it won't work for him, not here and not with us, this was what I've told 2 years ago and it has come true a NIGHTMARE for me!

[Jose M 140]

[Krypt 241]

Mourinho was only there to see old friends properly or maybe scout Drogba , i wouldn’t read too much into it,. There is no way he is coming back i just don’t see it ever happening . Carlo is a Yes man that’s what Roman wants.

[spuz 143]

The Blues paid 50 million pounds for Torres, was probably the most stupid transfer in history IMO

Torres and Drogba can not play together

They didn't play together last night. I think that was the problem. If Carlo would wake up and realise then we'd see the best of them both. It'll take a new manager to get the best out of them both.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

They didn't play together last night. I think that was the problem. If Carlo would wake up and realise then we'd see the best of them both. It'll take a new manager to get the best out of them both.

Disagree, I think Drogba's finished. Thanks for everything, you've been important in the last few years, but time for you to go.

Priority if finding a strike partner for Torres now.

[Jose M 140]

Disagree, I think Drogba's finished. Thanks for everything, you've been important in the last few years, but time for you to go.

Priority if finding a strike partner for Torres now.

Lukaku?

[Fulham Broadway 16,863]

So guys this can't be true, if anybody of you have learnt to know me in the last couple of years, than you will know me for being one of the last persons who want to sack the manager, but if the manager isn't responsible for a whole squad, I repeat, a WHOLE squad out of form then I will tell you, yes he is, he is, he is and he is! If you want to, you can find reasons and excuses for anything that happens, even for Hitler! You could tell us he was a poor poor little old man who didn't know what he was doing and didn't ment to kill millions of people, but the bottom line is, he was a sick bastard who exactly KNEW what he was doing. Sometimes when I read these posts with the whole "Carlo isn't responsible for the players on the field"-shit I really doubt my knowing about the tasks of a football manager.

First of all: A manager of a football team has a staff behind him but he has to watch a game closely and see any weak links of his team. After this he goes to his staff and tells them which shit they've got to get sorted out is it passing the ball quicker, is it his technical ability, is it his stamina, is it his heading, is it shooting, is it decision making, in short terms, every fu**ing single weak point of a player has to be sorted out through Carlo, telling his staff, which training is needed, than he has to take a close look in training. If Carlo discovers that the player hasn't worked enough in the training, he has to take a place on the bench, if not he has to go to the stands, simple as that. Note Carlo has to discover weak links and communicate them to his staff

Second: Carlo has to instill the winning mentality into his players. This willingness to get his foot on the last ball for the last shot in the last minute of the match, this will to push the ball behind the line with every part of his body. The players must have the will to win every Mickey Mouse-Cup or Milkiway-Cup on this Planet, the only possible outcome of a match in the heads of a player must be a win, nothing else, like Guss, Mou and even the players themselves, when we in a fact had no manager (Grant-Era), did. Note Carlo has to instill winning mentality

Third: Carlo has to give his players Hunger. These kinds of hunger to bite, scratch, tackle and fight for every inch of ground on the Field. This kind of hunger you need against "big" teams (Real, Barca, Manbuh, Liversum…) to get all over them and smile at them when they don't find any space, take them every space to breath, like Guus did with Mikel when he ALONE owned the whole Barca midfield, or when Essien absolutely destroyed Xavi in the second leg. This kind of hunger for winning, for two footed tackles in the box, no fears no respect for anybody. Note Carlo has to instill Hunger and determination

Fourth: Carlo has to have the guts, to place any player on the bench or in the stands. He has to select the team and is responsible for the players on the field, if even fans who have no clue about the football world know better than Carlo which player doesn't justify his selection than something is wrong. I would take Sala or Mellis over Malouda and Essien any day, because at least, they would give it their all! Note Carlo must be brave enough to leave ALL stars on the bench if needed

Let's take a look on all this points:

1^st discover weak links and communicate them to the staff, does Carlo? NO, if there was one or two players not fit and sharp you could say, OK the player is a bitch and don't gets his shit sorted out, but a WHOLE squad out of form talks for itself

2^nd Instill winning mentality, does Carlo? NO, in fact we look like a team that is happy not to lose and try to avoid defeat

3^rd Instill Hunger and determination, does Carlo? NO, just look at our players, we look like puppies with no teeth in our jaws, a disgrace to Denis wise and our former Self (Terry, Drogs, Lamps, Riccy, Maka, Zola all fighting pit bulls on the field)

4^th Brave enough to leave players out of form on the Bench, does Carlo? NO, if you've taken a look for the last four months you will know why

I'm not trying to tell you that Carlo isn't CAPABLE of doing this or not TRYING to do this, but it seems like it won't work for him, not here and not with us, this was what I've told 2 years ago and it has come true a NIGHTMARE for me!

Good points there Clevermeyer. Ancellotti, in fairness, has also be greatly undermined by the removal of Ray Wilkins and the appointment of the apparently useless Emanalo......

[spuz 143]

Disagree, I think Drogba's finished. Thanks for everything, you've been important in the last few years, but time for you to go.

Priority if finding a strike partner for Torres now.

well I'm disagreeing. When Drogs came on he looked livelier,benching may have taught him a lesson.I'm not going to spout out the malaria rubbish excuse though that people come up with. Basically he's not been given that kick up the backside that Carlo isn't capable of giving. Not to mention poor formation and lack of service.

However if he wanted out in the summer or any over 30 wanted out I wouldn't stand in their way.

And if the likes of Sturridge or Josh saw their futures elsewhere I wouldn't blame them.

And if Torres gave Carlo a slap I wouldn't blame him either.

[Krypt 241]

well I'm disagreeing. When Drogs came on he looked livelier,benching may have taught him a lesson.I'm not going to spout out the malaria rubbish excuse though that people come up with. Basically he's not been given that kick up the backside that Carlo isn't capable of giving. Not to mention poor formation and lack of service.

However if he wanted out in the summer or any over 30 wanted out I wouldn't stand in their way.

And if the likes of Sturridge or Josh saw their futures elsewhere I wouldn't blame them.

And if Torres gave Carlo a slap I wouldn't blame him either.

i have to agree , Drogba did more in the time he came on then torres all game. im not begrudging torres as he needs time to settle in ,i just have always though he wont be the answer to our problems. had torres been here last year he would be banging in the goals. he has come to us at a bad point. Though if i hear carlo say bad moment one more time i might have to go and slap him :eyebrows:

[magicrico 175]

We are awful....playing with no heart, no pride, no passion...top 4 side? I don't think so...we will lose to man u twice and draw with city...bye bye top 4....Torres doesn't look like he wants to be here...what happened to essien? Our defence is solid and luiz looks brilliant...but from midfield to attack I would rather have Adams and dj cambell from Blackpool...they show more grit than out players put together...disappointed in the team is an understatement...roll on getting turned over by everton.

[Cosmin 2,484]

1st:

The fact that Torres played pretty bad last night, makes me happy! Why? Because I can just guess that it's about his form, and that would mean that he maybe is able to play in the same team with Drogba!

I can't see Chelsea without Didier right now, he is very important for the team, even if he doesn't play very well. He's can wake the team up in the bad moments.

Berbatov needed like a season to adapt at Man. United, even if he came from another EPL team, and he's now the best scorer in the league. I think we should give Torres some time, at least a few fixtures. Yeah, I know Chelsea paid a lot of money for him, but he is not a robot, at the end of the day. I'm sure Nando will give his best for Chelsea.

BTW, isn't it the Liverpool's fans who say that "Form is temporary, class is permanent" ? Torres has class.

2nd:

The Chelsea fans were just AMAZING last night. Why can't it always be like this on Stamford Bridge too?

3rd:

David Luiz is our next legend. This guy is great! MOTM definitely. Can't wait to see him playing again.

Even if we'll screw up this season, I'm looking forward for the next one. With Sturridge and Kakuta back, plus McEachran playing more often, our team's gonna be a beast.

[Fulham Broadway 16,863]

1st:

The fact that Torres played pretty bad last night, makes me happy! Why? Because I can just guess that it's about his form, and that would mean that he maybe is able to play in the same team with Drogba!

I can't see Chelsea without Didier right now, he is very important for the team, even if he doesn't play very well. He's can wake the team up in the bad moments.

Berbatov needed like a season to adapt at Man. United, even if he came from another EPL team, and he's now the best scorer in the league. I think we should give Torres some time, at least a few fixtures. Yeah, I know Chelsea paid a lot of money for him, but he is not a robot, at the end of the day. I'm sure Nando will give his best for Chelsea.

BTW, isn't it the Liverpool's fans who say that "Form is temporary, class is permanent" ? Torres has class.

2nd:

The Chelsea fans were just AMAZING last night. Why can't it always be like this on Stamford Bridge too?

3rd:

David Luiz is our next legend. This guy is great! MOTM definitely. Can't wait to see him playing again.

Even if we'll screw up this season, I'm looking forward for the next one. With Sturridge and Kakuta back, plus McEachran playing more often, our team's gonna be a beast.

Lol like the optimism -yup you're right mental atmosphere as always at Fulham

As far as Torres is concerned. Utilisation is the key and there appeasr to be a lack of foresight.

We should not be starting him, he should be coming off the bench to exploit tired defences, and it wouldn't cause so much pressure for him to have that immediate performance expectation.

But he'll come good......

[Milan 17,854]

I was saying it to myself during the game as well - how on Earth could Anelka hit him?? It was a promising counter and Anelka hit their laying player.