eldo 868 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 that is the lamest excuse i have ever heard !!!! if carlo is not responsible for that then who is ????do you think the problem is with lampard , Drogba , anelka , malouda , kalou , essien and torres ???? do you think they all have dropped form suddenly at the exact same time ???that could have been said if one player was good and the other wasn't but it's pretty obvious that the tactics are not right , we look very predictable , we all are watching the game anticipating every pass and every move our players would do !!! the only one who has surprised us is luiz .... if we fans can anticipate every move and play of chelsea then the opposition certainly is doing the same ... we need new tactics or new manager ??? and we desperately need a decent assistant manager that emenalo is useless .If one player is poor the team will carry him..Most of those that you have listed were poor. Lampard wasn't playing up to his standard.Malouda and Anelka were poor too. They played high balls and headed it for the first 45 minutes. Torres needed some support from Malouda and Anelka and they headed the ball to him.r he got a high one, surely he can't do anything near Hangeland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbott 14 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I agree with what someone else said, that Mourinho was there to watch Drogba. I could definitely see that transfer in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I agree with what someone else said, that Mourinho was there to watch Drogba. I could definitely see that transfer in the summer.Thats if Jose dont get the flick from Real.But yeh looked the reason...could've saved the dosh and watched on the telly!!Good to hear the away support singing though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan 17,957 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Oh right, our support was stunning. I really do love our travelling fans.Singing Nando's chant for about ten minutes was lovely, it must have given the boy a confidence and feeling he's home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Watching Lampard fail to play even the most simplest of passes is incredibly frustrating. Even worse when you realise he is supposedly the best passing midfielder at the club.If our MIDFIELDERS had the technical quality of our CENTRE BACK David Luiz we would probably be top of the table.Lampard, Essien and Ramires couldn't pass their way out of a paper bag. They're perfectly capable of playing the sideways pass but anything even remotely adventurous as a pass to a forwards feet and they get it wrong.You really appreciate players like Xavi and Iniesta 10x more when you watch a Chelsea midfield with players who have such low football IQ and technical ability. The highest wage bill in English football and we don't have midfielders capable of creating chances for teammates. Embarrassing to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostas 1,468 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 This is already a huge thread so I'll try to keep it short.Terrible. Terrible performance. No excuses tonight and we're running out of time too. Lampard, Essien, Malouda & Anelka were subpar.Torres' touches were quite heavy. I'm all for giving him time but we desperately need something better now.On the bright side. David Luiz will become my favourite CB in the future. What. A. Player.I have a "man-crush" on that keeper with the helmet.Ramires was surprisingly good. Not he's been anything but great in his last few games but today he was a level above our other midfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zinctek 469 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 wow wasnt that a shit match!Fulham fans should be happy with a point but come on i wouldnt go and watch a match and PAY! to watch a team have 11 defenders with 90% of the game whats the point in that playing for a nil nil draw at home. 2 or 3 changes that they had we did well.A.Cole = Start taking throw ins FASTER FFS DONT FUCK ABOUTN.A = stop moaning and play footbal 1 good game this seasonTorres # pld ok but with 11 defenders not much no forward could have done.David Luiz = (TOP TOP TOP DEFENDER IN MY BOOK)lampard = no were to be seen and couldnt pass the ball for shitSum it up Training game 11 defenders and we couldnt break it up. cant score for shit we are lucky to be 5th atm and i cant see 4th coming for a long time. so torres i think you fucked up abit wanting champs league football next few yearso and mike DEAN your a COCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 It's CA's job to keep his players sharp, highly motivated and give them the confidence and feeling they are the best (the last one is for coach at a big club). It's his job to play his best performing players, it's his job to rest them when needed and it's his job to pick the right tactics and line-up.It's obvious whatever he's been doing for the last 4, 5 months isn't working. If things don't go well for a few games, fair enough. If things don't go well for such long periods, you have to change whatever your doing in all the/some of the areas I mentioned.When one or two players aren't performing, you can't blame the coach. When the whole team is underperforming, the coach has a lot to do with that. It's simply not possible for a 'entire' team to play under there level.I don't know what's going on and what's happened to us but it's CA's job to fix it, whatever it takes.That's all I have to say in this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 This is already a huge thread so I'll try to keep it short.Terrible. Terrible performance. No excuses tonight and we're running out of time too. Lampard, Essien, Malouda & Anelka were subpar.Torres' touches were quite heavy. I'm all for giving him time but we desperately need something better now.On the bright side. David Luiz will become my favourite CB in the future. What. A. Player.I have a "man-crush" on that keeper with the helmet.Ramires was surprisingly good. Not he's been anything but great in his last few games but today he was a level above our other midfielders.short but imo an accurate assessment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 David Luiz great player looks to becoming and in short amount of time but jesus christ my nerves! Now he's got that random tackle out his system hopfully wont see that again lol.Least not in the sodding penatly box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spuz 143 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 It's CA's job to keep his players sharp, highly motivated and give them the confidence and feeling they are the best (the last one is for coach at a big club). It's his job to play his best performing players, it's his job to rest them when needed and it's his job to pick the right tactics and line-up.It's obvious whatever he's been doing for the last 4, 5 months isn't working. If things don't go well for a few games, fair enough. If things don't go well for such long periods, you have to change whatever your doing in all the/some of the areas I mentioned.I don't what's going on and what's happened to us but it's CA's job to fix it, whatever it takes.That's all I have to say in this issue.Correct. you can't tell people though. Carlo is a god even though he does nothing.People compare Luiz to Carvalho I can see why now. Bloody hell his tackling is a bit scary at times. Class player though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldo 868 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 It's CA's job to keep his players sharp, highly motivated and give them the confidence and feeling they are the best (the last one is for coach at a big club). It's his job to play his best performing players, it's his job to rest them when needed and it's his job to pick the right tactics and line-up.It's obvious whatever he's been doing for the last 4, 5 months isn't working. If things don't go well for a few games, fair enough. If things don't go well for such long periods, you have to change whatever your doing in all the/some of the areas I mentioned.When one or two players aren't performing, you can't blame the coach. When the whole team is underperforming, the coach has a lot to do with that. It's simply not possible for a 'entire' team to play under there level.I don't what's going on and what's happened to us but it's CA's job to fix it, whatever it takes.That's all I have to say in this issue.But who could he play in midfield? Yossi who knows how to set strikers is injured. Zhirkov who can play on left wing is injured.Ramires was ok, but he mostly tackles and makes simple passes. Attacking midfielder is a top priority in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLionheart 516 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 If one player is poor the team will carry him..Most of those that you have listed were poor. Lampard wasn't playing up to his standard.Malouda and Anelka were poor too. They played high balls and headed it for the first 45 minutes. Torres needed some support from Malouda and Anelka and they headed the ball to him.r he got a high one, surely he can't do anything near Hangeland.and that is exactly my point , when a player or two are poor then it is probably not the manager's fault , but when most of your players are poor then the manager should be questioned ...if carlo did his job alright , then no one should be saying we lost because torres was not at his best , if torres couldn't score then Drogba , anelka , kalou essien or lamps should have scored but when they are all poor and when our play is shit then the problem is the tactics not the players , we have 3 world class strikers in torres , Drogba and anelka ... we have superb midfielders in lamps , malouda , essien and ramires ... Carlo's job is to get the best out of all of them ... and he obviously is not capable of doing so . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Watching Lampard fail to play even the most simplest of passes is incredibly frustrating. Even worse when you realise he is supposedly the best passing midfielder at the club.If our MIDFIELDERS had the technical quality of our CENTRE BACK David Luiz we would probably be top of the table.Lampard, Essien and Ramires couldn't pass their way out of a paper bag. They're perfectly capable of playing the sideways pass but anything even remotely adventurous as a pass to a forwards feet and they get it wrong.You really appreciate players like Xavi and Iniesta 10x more when you watch a Chelsea midfield with players who have such low football IQ and technical ability. The highest wage bill in English football and we don't have midfielders capable of creating chances for teammates. Embarrassing to be honest.The reason why i've been screaming for the club to buy creative midfielders or use the young ones we have (Josh and Gaël) for years! And sometimes i got the reply ''we have Lampard and Benayoun'.. Apparently many don't realise how crucial creativity is, especially for the passing/possession game we have been trying to play since last season. You need at least three very creative players in your starting line-up for that kind of football. The club seems to be obsessed physique for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 But who could he play in midfield? Yossi who knows how to set strikers is injured. Zhirkov who can play on left wing is injured.Ramires was ok, but he mostly tackles and makes simple passes. Attacking midfielder is a top priority in the summer.No it's not. We need CENTRAL MIDFIELDERS with technical ability. An attacking midfielder is a player like VdV who will get into goal scoring positions and run onto things. We do not need that.We need players who can pass and move. This is our biggest problem. We need thinking footballers with technical ability.Essien and co need 4 touches to get the ball under control and make a pass. In that time the opposition defence has had enough time to get themselves back into position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 But who could he play in midfield? Yossi who knows how to set strikers is injured. Zhirkov who can play on left wing is injured.Ramires was ok, but he mostly tackles and makes simple passes. Attacking midfielder is a top priority in the summer.Creative midfielders should've been our main transfer targets for over 2 years now..Even though I already love Luiz, he and Torres should not have been the players we brought to the club in January. We were painfully obvious in desperate need of creativity in midfield and attack (wingers).Get two new wingers and a creative midfielder (or play the youngsters that fit that bill) and we're a topteam again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLionheart 516 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 It's CA's job to keep his players sharp, highly motivated and give them the confidence and feeling they are the best (the last one is for coach at a big club). It's his job to play his best performing players, it's his job to rest them when needed and it's his job to pick the right tactics and line-up.It's obvious whatever he's been doing for the last 4, 5 months isn't working. If things don't go well for a few games, fair enough. If things don't go well for such long periods, you have to change whatever your doing in all the/some of the areas I mentioned.When one or two players aren't performing, you can't blame the coach. When the whole team is underperforming, the coach has a lot to do with that. It's simply not possible for a 'entire' team to play under there level.I don't what's going on and what's happened to us but it's CA's job to fix it, whatever it takes.That's all I have to say in this issue.:goodpost:i guess we don't just share similar names , but same ideas as well except that i don't think carlo is actually capable to fix this and as much as i hate to say that but i hope we will be seeing a new manager very soon ...also an actually useful assistant manager is needed ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldo 868 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 and that is exactly my point , when a player or two are poor then it is probably not the manager's fault , but when most of your players are poor then the manager should be questioned ...if carlo did his job alright , then no one should be saying we lost because torres was not at his best , if torres couldn't score then Drogba , anelka , kalou essien or lamps should have scored but when they are all poor and when our play is shit then the problem is the tactics not the players , we have 3 world class strikers in torres , Drogba and anelka ... we have superb midfielders in lamps , malouda , essien and ramires ... Carlo's job is to get the best out of all of them ... and he obviously is not capable of doing so .Drogba was destroyed by malaria, Malouda had his peak last season imo he won't play like last season anymore. It is sad but Lampard is coming to a point when he will need to sit on the bench and come occasionally.Like Scholes/Giggs, he isn't able to play so many games anymore. Explain me what tactics should we play? They should have controlled the ball in the first half and play it on the ground. If you watched Malouda, high ball was kicked towards him he didn't even try to calm it, but he instantly headed or kicked it towards Torres. Come on, I'm pretty sure that wasn't what Carlo wanted. Who would want his team to play like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 2,275 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Fulham defended for much of the the game in two banks of four, Making it difficult for us to break them down. They realised that a midfield of Lampard, Essien and Ramires would find it hard to break it down, Because they usually are direct runners. We need a creative midfielder. I don't know why Ancelloti took off Torres, If he took off Malouda we could have had a front three of Drogba - Torres - Kalou, which would have been very dangerous. The fact of the matter is our current squad is not up to winning the league, Because of our midfield. Harsh in the fact that you have to drop either Essien, Lampard or Ramires/Mikel, But in the summer Drogba will probably go. Sign a good winger and a good creative midfielder, Play a 4-3-2-1, Midfield of Lampard, Ramires and the new signing, Then a creative midfielder and a new winger behind Torres. David Luiz was awesome tonight, Unlucky with the penalty, But wow, What a fucking game. Couldn't have dreamed of a better 90 minutes. Keep it up and he will become one of the best defenders in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldo 868 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 No it's not. We need CENTRAL MIDFIELDERS with technical ability. An attacking midfielder is a player like VdV who will get into goal scoring positions and run onto things. We do not need that.We need players who can pass and move. This is our biggest problem. We need thinking footballers with technical ability.Essien and co need 4 touches to get the ball under control and make a pass. In that time the opposition defence has had enough time to get themselves back into positionYou are right about Essien, but i think that Mikel is better than him. He needs less touches. He knows what his next move will be.Player like Christian Eriksen would be very welcome here. I watched him play for Ajax a little bit, and he was fantastic. He was pulling all the strings for them. Midfielders like that know how to control your attack, and imo we lack right that. Chances for our strikers. Creative midfielders should've been our main transfer targets for over 2 years now..Even though I already love Luiz, he and Torres should not have been the players we brought to the club in January. We were painfully obvious in desperate need of creativity in midfield and attack (wingers).Get two new wingers and a creative midfielder (or play the youngsters that fit that bill) and we're a topteam againYes i was thinking the same. One wide player and a midfielder. Also give Kakuta more chances, imo he will be ready next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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