Jump to content
Join Talk Chelsea and join in with the discussions! Click Here

Branislav Ivanovic


.Cee
 Share
Followers 0

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 3.6k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

An actual legend of the club. He played a key role in many of Chelsea's successes and he can be very proud of himself. Went from a complete nobody when he first arrived to one of the first names on th

Says it all. Get out of my club you absolute helmet. He's been useless defensively for a while now but his goals/assist tally saved him last season. I actually laughed when this happened, totally ut

i cant say it better...

Posted Images

I agree.

We as fans may love good old-fashioned centre-backs like JT and Ivanovic, but the truth is that Chelsea have moved on. We're becoming more and more possession based which is exposing the weaknesses of playes like Ramires, Ivanovic and even Cole at times. Soon enough there simply will be no place in our team for Ramires and Ivanovic.

We may not like that, but it's what I think will most likely happen.

A bit off topic, but JT is one of the best CBs on the ball in the world. He is constantly in the top 5 out filed players in terms of passing percentage in all of Europe.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
A bit off topic, but JT is one of the best CBs on the ball in the world. He is constantly in the top 5 out filed players in terms of passing percentage in all of Europe.

I'm not suggesting JT is bad on the ball, just that he's on old-fashioned centre-back who will happy stand around the box all day long and throw his body/face/legs in front of every shot coming in and heading away anything that gets near the box.

Why I think he won't have a place in the squad after another year or two is because of his injury problems at the moment and his lack of pace. With possession football comes a high line and every defender needs to be quick. I could be wrong about Terry fitting into this system though because his positioning and anticipation is so good that it almost makes up for his lack of pace.

Link to post
Share on other sites
That is massively unfair on the guy. :wank2:

I have to disagree with you at this point. As BLionheart pointed, Ivanovic made a lot of silly mistakes this season, but somehow DM said days ago he was he best RB in PL. About Luiz, sometimes it is really pathetic the reactions: he lost a ball and there are 4 or 5 ´players behind him, and he still gets the blame. Ivanovic got a stupid red against United, and nobody said one single word.

Now he made two silly mistakes, but people just go to Torres topic to say what everybody already knows (it took 2 years to people realize that Torres is a garbage, but he played like that since the very first moment he joined), and the spaniard got all the blame. For me its clear the difference: Ivanovic is from Europe, while Luiz is from Brazil. I think, every word you used to describe Ivanovic "dependable, reliable and a good servant to the club" is a indication of that. So Luiz is not a good servant?

I remember sometime ago some people in this forum saying they did not want brazilian players, because brazilian players just want money and some years for glory, and then they get lazy and just dont care, and they were using Ronaldinho and Adriano as examples. FYI Adriano has serious problems with depression, and Ronaldinho also had problems with depression. So, it was more health problems than lazyness. Even if that was the case, there are players like Cafú, Juan, Raí, Aldair, and many others...players that were good servants and professionals.

The fans are hypercritical, when the subject are non-european players. You might say: "Drogba was voted the best player ever". Right, after he gave Chelsea a UCL its pretty easy to love the guy, Didier was far from being the most loved player at SB, he was even booed by his own fans! The word was: he is a cheater, and its not good to have a cheater as a Chelsea player.

Robinho was far from being a huge sucess at City, but he still managed to score 14 goals in one single season, when City was no more than a poor mid-table team, but when people talk about Robinho in this forum, they make him look like a completely flop. Now we even have people saying that buying Falcão (94 goals in last 3 seaons) is a stupid move, because Lewandowski (53 goals in last 3 seasons) is a much better option.

Luiz is a defender, and I dont know why, but people in Europe believe brazilans just cant defend, but one of the best defender in the world is from Brazil (Thiago Silva), and Brazil produced some of the best defenders in last decade, like Lúcio, Cafú, Roberto Carlos, Edmilson, Maicon. Brazilians squads that won 1994 and 2002 WC were really good in the defence. People were saying days ago, that Corinthians had a defence that was surprisingly good for a brazilian team, but the truth is that the best brazilians teams always have a good defence. I dont remember a good brazilian team that used to have a good attack and a shit defence.

All these factors go against Luiz, and no, I'm no talking about racism, its just an evident bias.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
I have to disagree with you at this point. As BLionheart pointed, Ivanovic made a lot of silly mistakes this season, but somehow DM said days ago he was he best RB in PL. About Luiz, sometimes it is really pathetic the reactions: he lost a ball and there are 4 or 5 ´players behind him, and he still gets the blame. Ivanovic got a stupid red against United, and nobody said one single word.

Now he made two silly mistakes, but people just go to Torres topic to say what everybody already knows (it took 2 years to people realize that Torres is a garbage, but he played like that since the very first moment he joined), and the spaniard got all the blame. For me its clear the difference: Ivanovic is from Europe, while Luiz is from Brazil. I think, every word you used to describe Ivanovic "dependable, reliable and a good servant to the club" is a indication of that. So Luiz is not a good servant?

I remember sometime ago some people in this forum saying they did not want brazilian players, because brazilian players just want money and some years for glory, and then they get lazy and just dont care, and they were using Ronaldinho and Adriano as examples. FYI Adriano has serious problems with depression, and Ronaldinho also had problems with depression. So, it was more health problems than lazyness. Even if that was the case, there are players like Cafú, Juan, Raí, Aldair, and many others...players that were good servants and professionals.

The fans are hypercritical, when the subject are non-european players. You might say: "Drogba was voted the best player ever". Right, after he gave Chelsea a UCL its pretty easy to love the guy, Didier was far from being the most loved player at SB, he was even booed by his own fans! The word was: he is a cheater, and its not good to have a cheater as a Chelsea player.

Robinho was far from being a huge sucess at City, but he still managed to score 14 goals in one single season, when City was no more than a poor mid-table team, but when people talk about Robinho in this forum, they make him look like a completely flop. Now we even have people saying that buying Falcão (94 goals in last 3 seaons) is a stupid move, because Lewandowski (53 goals in last 3 seasons) is a much better option.

Luiz is a defender, and I dont know why, but people in Europe believe brazilans just cant defend, but one of the best defender in the world is from Brazil (Thiago Silva), and Brazil produced some of the best defenders in last decade, like Lúcio, Cafú, Roberto Carlos, Edmilson, Maicon. Brazilians squads that won 1994 and 2002 WC were really good in the defence. People were saying days ago, that Corinthians had a defence that was surprisingly good for a brazilian team, but the truth is that the best brazilians teams always have a good defence. I dont remember a good brazilian team that used to have a good attack and a shit defence.

All these factors go against Luiz, and no, I'm no talking about racism, its just an evident bias.

This all sounds like some weird 'Brazilian victimisation' which I don't think there is. David Luiz could be from any country in the world and I'd still expect him to make the odd brain-fart. Ivanovic doesn't. He's been one of our most dependable players for years and he's one of the players who every fan in the ground respects.

He puts everything into his performances and has been dependable for over 150 games. He's proper Chelsea in my opinion and the fans giving him shit need to have a real look in the mirror.

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites

@Henrique,

The fact that Luiz is Brazilian doesn't make me criticize him or dislike him. I don't like him because his recklessness has cost the team more times than I can count, and it seems that this guy will just never learn. I'm always nervous when I see him in defence especially in big games, because the chances are high that he'll screw up.

With Ivanovic it is less likely to happen, because Ivanovic is more intelligent and is a better defender even if he's not as skillful as Luiz. Luiz is imo our worst defender, Ivanovic on the other hand might be our second best.

Link to post
Share on other sites
This all sounds like some weird 'Brazilian victimisation' which I don't think there is. David Luiz could be from any country in the world and I'd still expect him to make the odd brain-fart. Ivanovic doesn't. He's been one of our most dependable players for years and he's one of the players who every fan in the ground respects.

He puts everything into his performances and has been dependable for over 150 games. He's proper Chelsea in my opinion and the fans giving him shit need to have a real look in the mirror.

How is having an odd brain fart worse than being supar, or not as good, or not as confortable on the ball?

My answer to the above question would be that the difference is the "when" mistakes happen: with the odd brain fart, it will be random but likely during easy games, more about cockiness, and bad judgement. On the other hand, lack of quality will hurt you when it matters most, in really tough matches when your opponent puts your defenders in difficult situations.

IMO, it's all about giving you an edge. As dependable Ivanovic is, I don't think he gives Chelsea an edge, especially when playing CB.

It's really interesting that the English call a player "proper", or "dependable." These are good atributes in a player, but not essential. The player MUST be good enough on the ball, because otherwise another player who's better than him will have the edge. It's still a competition; individual disputes take place all the time during a match.

I'm not worried about Luiz. He's an excellent player who can play for any top team in the world. He's also young for a defender and will become more composed in time--it is far more difficult to improve ball skills than any mental aspect of the game for example. I personally think he'd be perfect for Barcelona, but as a Chelsea supporter and one who likes to play the CL, I certainly don't want to lose Luiz esp to Barcelona. I cannot imagine winning much at that level with Iva and Cahill in the defense, even with both being dependable proper players.

Let me emphasize my point by saying that employing dependable players used to be good enough before Roman bought the club. I was already a chelsea supporter back then. However, right now, when Chelsea aim to fly higher, and have, dependable just isn't enough.

Link to post
Share on other sites
I'm not suggesting JT is bad on the ball, just that he's on old-fashioned centre-back who will happy stand around the box all day long and throw his body/face/legs in front of every shot coming in and heading away anything that gets near the box.

Why I think he won't have a place in the squad after another year or two is because of his injury problems at the moment and his lack of pace. With possession football comes a high line and every defender needs to be quick. I could be wrong about Terry fitting into this system though because his positioning and anticipation is so good that it almost makes up for his lack of pace.

Terry is probably the best CB in the world in term of defending penalty box but if you ask him to play high line he has never been good. It was really obvious last year during AVB.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Is his brick diet affecting his game?

Yeah, he sure was lucky Cech was close on that one ball back. Could have been a give away goal ...

Also, his passing in general (balls slighty behond the target) and ball control was off sometimes(the ball sometimes just spinned over his foot when he controlled it).

I hope he gets his confidence back soon, he seems affected by his errors last game.

Link to post
Share on other sites
This all sounds like some weird 'Brazilian victimisation' which I don't think there is. David Luiz could be from any country in the world and I'd still expect him to make the odd brain-fart. Ivanovic doesn't. He's been one of our most dependable players for years and he's one of the players who every fan in the ground respects.

He puts everything into his performances and has been dependable for over 150 games. He's proper Chelsea in my opinion and the fans giving him shit need to have a real look in the mirror.

Dude, wake up. Ivanovic is just having his worst season as a Chelsea player. If you want to respect him because he is from Serbia and eats bricks for breakfest, feel free. The truth is if there is a defender that can make the odd brain-fart decision this season, this defender is Ivanovic.

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
Dude, wake up. Ivanovic is just having his worst season as a Chelsea player. If you want to respect him because he is from Serbia and eats bricks for breakfest, feel free. The truth is if there is a defender that can make the odd brain-fart decision this season, this defender is Ivanovic.

I respect him because he's a good player. In fact I also think Luiz is playing much better this season but he needs to earn our trust that he won't make another brain fart.

I think you're being overly critical of Ivanovic though.

Link to post
Share on other sites
I respect him because he's a good player. In fact I also think Luiz is playing much better this season but he needs to earn our trust that he won't make another brain fart.

I think you're being overly critical of Ivanovic though.

Im not being overly critical, since Ive made 2 or 3 posts criticizing him, and we have members that get 4 or 5 posts each time Luiz made a mistake. Despite his mistakes, I still believe he is a good player and should stay as a Chelsea player for some more seasons. To other side we have people saying Luiz is shit and is the reason we lost every single match he is playing as a CB. Even when he is playing good as a DM we have people saying he is playing bad because of some minor issues.

Ivanovic to other side has made a lot of bad mistakes the whole season, and that goes unoticed. One week ago someone said he is our best CB in the squad...

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...