🇧🇷 Ramires

[The Chels 2,502]

Atrocious again. And the worst thing is it seems Mourinho really likes him and will not replace his next season. I don't understand all the BS about him being good defensively for the team... since when is a player that wants to spend forever on the ball thereby being dispossessed constantly, that offers no physical presence and can be brushed aside, that refuses to close down the opposition when they're about to cross the ball, and that cannot make the simplest of passes a good defensive option?

[Jase 43,479]

Honestly, whoever brought up the idea of playing Ramires out wide needs to be crucified. He's completely useless in that position and AVB, RDM, Benitez and Mourinho have all used him to stifle the opposition threat on the RW and/or when we play on that counter. However, once that plan goes out of the window like today after we conceded so early, then Ramires practically becomes a useless and disposable player. He doesn't even have the skill, ability and technique to take on and beat players with the ball especially when the opposition is defending. He's only useful out wide when there are spaces and gaps to break into!

[Barbara 15,149]

I'm in this thread only for the likes. I like everyone's posts here.

[Mufassir08 2,400]

I'm in this thread only for the likes. I like everyone's posts here.

Free likes for everyone!!

[Stingray 9,441]

Very simple.

I expect a Cm to run that pitch: check

I expect a Cm to tackle and fight: check

I do NOT expect a cm to be as bad in certain areas as he is. This is a farce. Learn to pass, learn to handle the ball. Accept the fact your football intelligence is nowhere around ....

Ps: yes, he has major positive outburts. It is just that: outbursts. I wanne yet that title with guys that are reliable the clock round more or less.

[Sidzeret 2,257]

The point is to learn from our mistakes. This is not the end of big games foe us, especially in the CL once we squish Gala. Ramires never again in the wing.

[didierforever 7,349]

Wow at the over reaction.

Plus can't believe the double standarda on here. Luiz is fine but rambo gets the stick. BRILLIANT!!!

The guy is going thru a rough patch. Dobt forget that for the first 3 months he was PhenOMENAL.

I have no doubt that he will be back to hia best soon.

[manpe 10,861]

You would think a fast Brazilian would be entertaining to watch.

[Stingray 9,441]

You would think a fast Brazilian would be entertaining to watch.

nope !

[Hamon 103]

Honestly, I never liked him as a player, at all.

[DDA 9,941]

I like Rami sometimes he can have an excellent game where he makes something out of nothing and you just can't help but think... yes Rami you legend. Like the goals vs United in last years cup runs and the chip in the Barca game.

Having said that, is it enough to make up for his shambolic footballing brain and complete lack of passing game.

I'm starting to think ...... no!

[Yeboii 1,844]

It might do him well to let him miss out on a couple of games

[The Chels 2,502]

As awful as he is, I must admit I don't think there is anyone in our team better at 1v1s. He must only ever practise chipping the keeper in training, and in fairness he excels at it but it's not enough to make up for an absence of other majorly important qualities.

[Barbara 15,149]

I was the first to say he was our best player and essential for our good form at the start of the season. But now we have a better option in Matic (even Luiz is better than him in the pivot right imo, although they offer different things and he has some advantages over David in the position) and we can afford to go without him a few matches - something we couldn't months ago, not only because he was at his best form for us (in the pivot position, not in the RW or anything related to scoring), but because the alternatives were worse. David Luiz while not very fast, isn't slow either, and ofc whoever we play there (Lamps, Mikel especially) we'd miss Rami's pace, but how much does he pace makes up for his inability to pick a pass, to make the right decision in the final third and have bipolar finishing? Not much imo. We can live with less pace because we have Hazard and Willian who are very fast themselves. Luiz is decent if the pace is important to cover someone or recover himself when he's caught out of position.

So we have alternatives, if is going to be fit and fresh for the UCL games that Matic can't play. I'm not saying Matic just magically solved our problems, is fully adapted or is flawless. I'm just saying we can afford it. In all honesty, Matic made even more aware how weak our pivot has been in the last few years... when we used to moan and hope for a better player there I had an idea in my head, once he arrived - and is still far from his best for us - I got the real picture. It's been worse than I thought. It doesn't take away all the hard work and the very good moments Rami had for us there - which were many and the reason why I grew sympathetic of him. I used to really dislike him when he played in Brazil and even more when he joined us and was eaten alive in the league. But he won my moderate likeness with his own hard work and results. But just because he's been great for us in a period we had a terrible pivot, it doesn't make him the guy who should play every match and have his contract renewed for 10 years. I have little hope to see him off of Chelsea (I don't see clubs sending tempting bids and we won't let him go unless it's a very good bid), I don't see Mourinho diminishing his importance in the team, so I guess he's here to stay. But at least, don't play him as a RW. It KILLS me every single time. He's had very few good matches in the position...

[The Chels 2,502]

@Barbara (have to @ because quoting doesn't work on my tablet - anyone know if that's standard for tablets or is it just mine?)

Yesterday's match against City demonstrated a lot of his flaws and qualities quite well, in my opinion. His pace was an asset in that it allowed him to regain possession, but he mostly always did this after himself initially losing the ball due to i) taking too much time on the ball, ii) making a poor pass - the one to Ivanovic in our own half, where there was no one really around Ramires yet he still ended up misplacing the pass such that it went out for a throw-in comes to mind. He also never took the initiative, but rather passed the ball to everyone and their grandma (and even the opposition) to make something happen instead because, frankly, he was and is incapable of doing so. Does anyone ever remember him making a cross-field pass? We saw quite a few of those today from Willian, Hazard and even Ivanovic! It really says something when you, as a CM, have a more limited passing range than Ivanovic...

[Henrique 9,133]

I'm in this thread only for the likes. I like everyone's posts here.

Then you should join Matic fanclub and leave the topic. Its the best thing to do.

[Barbara 15,149]

@Barbara (have to @ because quoting doesn't work on my tablet - anyone know if that's standard for tablets or is it just mine?)

Yesterday's match against City demonstrated a lot of his flaws and qualities quite well, in my opinion. His pace was an asset in that it allowed him to regain possession, but he mostly always did this after himself initially losing the ball due to i) taking too much time on the ball, ii) making a poor pass - the one to Ivanovic in our own half, where there was no one really around Ramires yet he still ended up misplacing the pass such that it went out for a throw-in comes to mind. He also never took the initiative, but rather passed the ball to everyone and their grandma (and even the opposition) to make something happen instead because, frankly, he was and is incapable of doing so. Does anyone ever remember him making a cross-field pass? We saw quite a few of those today from Willian, Hazard and even Ivanovic! It really says something when you, as a CM, have a more limited passing range than Ivanovic...

He has qualities, I'm not denying them (and neither are you) and pace isn't the only one. He's played a DM many times for us (every time Mikel didn't play) and he's a little warrior and a ball stealer with his tackles. But what's the point of winning a tackle if 2 seconds later he gives it back to the opponent with a bad pass? Ofc he doesn't miss a pass for every tackle he wins, but his % isn't ideal imo - regardless of how much that is statically, I'm talking about feelings and watching the game, I won't even bother to check what's his pass accuracy stat.

I agree with you on how he misses possession too much, but another thing that really bothers me is that he doesn't think. I know it's harsh to say it, but he seems to do everything on instinct. It doesn't seem he thinks before executing. His vision is very limited and sometimes he makes some dumb/poor decisions. I'm not talking about splitting passes, but just thinking before executing and trying to figure if that's viable or maybe even the best option. He seems to do things automatically and that sometimes work and sometimes it doesn't.

His tackles aren't as much important when he plays as a B2B or as a DM (the #8 position) as they are when he plays DM (#6), so his best asset in that position is pace, but his pace really is worthless if he offers stupid turnovers, does nothing useful with the ball and wrecks our transition. The #8 is more influential in the transition than the #6 (although the latter should also be influential). In a club with ambitions as big as Chelsea will have from next season on, we can't afford such a hole in our system. He's not a liability per say, but he's annoyingly frustrating a part from his tackles and pace. There isn't one match where Ramires doesn't make me feel like hitting my head in the wall at least a few times with his passes, selfishness (around the box going for nonsense shots) and bad decisions.

have no idea about the tablet thing mate, I've used my iPad as a glass rest 80% of time since I bought it two years ago

[Kunkka 19]

rest until galatasaray match and should play at position !

great player cant judge only for today match

[Cech's helmet 220]

You really cant hate him, he's the most hard working player in the team but boy is he a fookin shite footballer. I think I'd rather play Mikel on the right wing.. at least he could keep the ball between his feet for more than 5 seconds.

[remains of the day 564]

I have a lot of appreciation for Ramires for reasons I won't go into, but he's definitely become my favourite player in this current Chelsea team. But even I will admit that if we have any ambition of challenging for the champions league in upcoming seasons and generally regaining some dominance in Europe then there's absolutely no way we can continue to persist with him as 1st choice in central midfield. There are some areas of the pitch you can get away with playing a technically limited/inconsistent player without the team's performance being dragged down but centre midfield is where the game is won and you simply can't control games (particularly against good sides) with Ramires in midfield.

@Barbara, I completely agree with every word you said. But the funny thing is, everything you've just said about Ramires, in my eyes, also very much applies to Luiz as well particularly the bit about "Ramires not using his head." It's not a coincidence that since their arrival, our midfield has been weak and our defence has been shaky. This season, we've looked a much better side without Luiz as first choice and I can only imagine how much more we can improve with a real top class centre back.