Newcastle 2-0 Chelsea

[cosmicway 1,323]

The other amazing thing tonight is I backed 11+ corners in the 58th minute, when the corner count was 7.
Immediately Chelsea wins three corners in the space of one minute - as the ball was coming in the Newcastle defenders were heading it out for another one.
So in the 60th minute I want two corners and Chelsea were pressing and Newcastle were trying a few counterattacks.
For the last thirty minutes plus extra time zero corners !

[Vesper 28,800]

Just now, LAM09 said:

Nkunku undoubtedly shown that, despite his superior talent, he will remain Jackson's understudy.

another player who never recovered form after his knee injury

at Leipzig

he was rushed back

22/23

Torn lateral knee ligament

Nov 15, 2022

Feb 6, 2023

83 days

[cosmicway 1,323]

Just now, Vesper said:

another player who never recovered form after his knee injury

at Leipzig

he was rushed back

22/23

Torn lateral knee ligament

Nov 15, 2022

Feb 6, 2023

83 days

Two players we got from Leipzig did n't make it.
Werner and Nkunku.
A coincidence ?

[Vesper 28,800]

spuds take out Citeh

Edited October 30 by Vesper

[LAM09 6,744]

5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

another player who never recovered form after his knee injury

at Leipzig

he was rushed back

22/23

Torn lateral knee ligament

Nov 15, 2022

Feb 6, 2023

83 days

I have no idea who thought it was a smart idea to buy players coming off serious injuries. The number of players who fully recover or get close is so small.

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

21 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

Had bad misses but Nkunku looked worse than him.

14 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Time has moved on, and players ideally mature as they get older. If Maresca is no nonsense as is led to believe, Felix will remain a Cup player, provided everyone remains fit.

He obviously wasn't alone tonight in this way. Nkunku undoubtedly shown that, despite his superior talent, he will remain Jackson's understudy.

Yeah 100% re Nkunku. Been wanting him to start more often but has to do better tonight.

Edited October 30 by OneMoSalah

[Vesper 28,800]

45 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

I have no idea who thought it was a smart idea to buy players coming off serious injuries. The number of players who fully recover or get close is so small.

yep

22/23

Torn lateral knee ligament

Nov 15, 2022

On 20 June 2023, Nkunku signed for Premier League club Chelsea on a six-year deal starting on 1 July 2023. The transfer fee was reported to be £52 million. 

 

then.............................................. after buying damaged goods:

like clockwork..................

 

On 8 August, 2023, it was announced that he had undergone surgery for a knee injury sustained during a pre-season match and would be out for an extended period, thereby missing the start of the season.

[Mário César 975]

it is an expected elimination, given that it was a game against a difficult opponent and away from home It's a shame because you miss an opportunity to rotate the team, but it would always be a difficult game I understand that there are people who would rather have won this game than the league game, but ensuring the top 4 is much more important than the Carling Cup. nor is there any comparison.

 

 

 

[Vesper 28,800]

Newcastle 2 Chelsea 0 – Howe cracks the code as Maresca’s changes fall flat

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5882343/2024/10/30/newcastle-Chelsea-carabao-cup-briefing/

Newcastle United reached the quarter-finals of the Carabao Cup after an impressive 2-0 victory over Chelsea.

It was a hugely valuable victory for Eddie Howe’s side after a five-game winless run in the Premier League sees them sit 12th in the table.

A 23rd-minute goal from Alexander Isak put the hosts ahead and they doubled their lead three minutes later when Axel Disasi put the ball in his own net. The result means Newcastle have reached the last eight of the competition for the third successive season.

Chelsea, meanwhile, return back to London well beaten after manager Enzo Maresca’s changed line-up failed to deliver.

Here, our writers analyse the key talking points from the match.

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The welcome return of Newcastle’s beautiful chaos

This, as they say, was much more like it. This was like a family reunion or the belated return of an old friend.

Newcastle were angry again, feisty again, swarming again. They were aggressive and remorseless, pressing high and sowing panic around them. It was gorgeous, gory intensity.

That might sound like a funny definition of family, but this was the identity that Howe infused into his team and which supporters fell in love with.

This is what had been missing after a long summer of uncertainty and another poor transfer window, leaving dented confidence and heavy legs. Not quite at it, not quite right.

Here, the balance was much better. Newcastle did not see much of the ball, but they hoarded impetus, forcing Chelsea into errors deep in their own territory.

The first goal was a brutalist masterpiece, Chelsea playing out and Newcastle playing rough, Joelinton putting Renato Veiga under intolerable pressure, Sandro Tonali sliding in and the ball breaking for Isak to score.

 

Newcastle’s players celebrate Isak’s goal (Harriet Massey/Newcastle United via Getty Images)

The second was opportunistic, Lewis Hall taking a quick free kick, Isak’s cross taking a deflection off Christopher Nkunku, Joe Willock heading it on and Axel Disasi flailing and failing to prevent it crossing the line.

Beautiful chaos was back.

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Jorgensen’s meek audition 

Maresca made a point ahead of this game to stress that he is not planning to change his first-choice goalkeeper anytime soon, but Robert Sanchez’s plummeting approval ratings among Chelsea supporters meant that Filip Jorgensen’s first outing against serious opposition was always going to be studied with particular interest.

It is hard to make a strong argument that the 22-year-old did enough with his performance to compel Maresca to reconsider his stance, even if he was not the primary cause of the self-inflicted Chelsea problems that allowed Newcastle to bustle into a decisive 2-0 lead.

Jorgensen had little chance with the Isak shot that crept under him from close range, after Benoit Badiashile had played Veiga into terrible trouble and Tonali had pounced on the Portugal international’s rushed pass. His tentative dive for Willock’s header three minutes later was a poor look, but he may well have been put off by the proximity of Disasi, who could not sort his feet out in time to clear the danger.

But around those two big moments there were other signs that Jorgensen might not be the huge upgrade on Sanchez that many fans crave. One floated left-footed kick went straight out of play. Another pass went straight to the feet of Tonali after a jarring bout of indecision on the ball.

 

Jorgensen reacts after conceding (ANDY BUCHANAN/AFP via Getty Images)

Jorgensen did manage to sell the sliding Anthony Gordon with a nerveless drag back almost on his own goal line, but that is not the kind of skill to ease supporter anxieties.

The abiding sense is that the demands of Maresca’s system are the root of their goalkeeper distribution issues, and both Sanchez and Jorgensen are operating close to their limits within it.

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Howe finally finds the balance he has craved

At their best, teams are seamless, fluid and fluent, full of hidden relationships and partnerships where you cannot see the join.

At other times, they are like jigsaw puzzles; all the pieces are all there but you cannot comprehend how they might fit together.

Newcastle have resembled the latter more than the former this season, particularly in midfield where Howe has decent depth and quality to choose from — more now that Lewis Miley has returned to fitness — but where the overall effect has been disjointed.

 

Howe watching from the touchline (Harriet Massey/Newcastle United via Getty Images)

True, Chelsea were accommodating. A full team of changes did not make for fluidity of their own, their playing out from the back was haphazard and their high possession encouraged the counter-attack, but Newcastle looked far more balanced.

With Bruno Guimaraes unused until the second half, Tonali played in the centre of midfield and was far more involved. Willock was stationed on the left and with Joelinton shifted in front of him, there was power and ball-carrying prowess.

That meant Gordon, who returned from a calf injury, switching to the right and although this is not his favoured position, his harrying down that flank was a constant menace.

It will have left Howe with some pondering to do; the best teams are not always made up of the best players.

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Maresca’s rotation doesn’t pay off

From the moment the team news dropped it was clear that Chelsea would need to succeed in a very different way at St James’ Park to their usual manner under Maresca.

The right side of this team, typically the engine of the attack with Noni Madueke pinning his full-back, Cole Palmer picking incisive passes from the right half-space and Malo Gusto pushing into midfield to bolster possession, was entirely changed and deeply unconvincing.

Axel Disasi has never looked anything other than uncomfortable as a right-back, and Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall lacks the raw speed or skill to be a reliable threat on the right wing. There was no one playing the traditional Palmer role inside of them, with Joao Felix more often drifting towards the left side as he attempted to link up with Christopher Nkunku.

 

Disasi scores an own goal (Owen Humphreys/PA Images via Getty Images)

Chelsea’s left flank had its moments with Mykhailo Mudryk and Marc Cucurella both picking out accurate cutbacks from good crossing positions, but it was not until Madueke replaced Dewsbury-Hall that Maresca’s team managed to carry consistent attacking threat to Newcastle, who responded with defensive substitutions to protect their two-goal lead.

Maresca’s decision to keep Palmer on the substitutes’ bench as his team attempted to come back sent a pretty powerful signal of just where the Carabao Cup lies in Chelsea’s list of priorities. A much more balanced, dangerous XI will take on Manchester United at Old Trafford on Sunday and on this evidence, it will very much need to be.

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What did Eddie Howe say?

Speaking at his post-match press conference, Newcastle manager Howe said: “We needed a performance and a result. I think we got that tonight, especially in the first half. I thought it was the hallmark of us at our best — front foot, really good energy, good feel, good quality, good attitude and a massive win for us.

“Football changes, and games change in a heartbeat, and also feelings and momentum can change really quickly. And I think for us, when you are in a difficult moment, you need someone to spark you into life the opposite way.

“And the only people that can do that is us, ourselves, Players, staff coming together and ultimately winning football matches. I think the intention was really good today from the players. I think you could see from kick-off we were there mentally.

“The quality for me has never been in doubt. The fitness levels and sharpness looked good today. And we beat a very good team, let’s make no illusions. I know they make changes, but they are still a top team full of outstanding players. So a really big performance from the group.”

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What did Enzo Maresca say?

The Chelsea manager, asked at his press conference why his changes hadn’t worked, said: “I think it worked if we analyse the performance. If we analyse the result, it didn’t work. But for 22 or 23 minutes, until their goal, we were in control of the game, we didn’t concede.

“But then after the goal, we lost control for 10 minutes and then conceded the second. In the last 10 minutes of the first half, we had two or three clear chances that we didn’t score.

“We lost the game because of 10 minutes after the first goal and then for the rest, we were quite good.”

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What next for Newcastle?

Saturday, November 2: Arsenal (H), Premier League, 12:30 (GMT), 08:30 (ET)

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What next for Chelsea?

Sunday, November 3: Manchester United (A), Premier League, 16:30 (GMT), 12:30 (ET)

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Newcastle will play Brentford in the last eight

Draw for the quarter-finals of the Carabao Cup:

Tottenham Hotspur v Manchester United
Arsenal v Crystal Palace
Newcastle United v Brentford 
Southampton v Liverpool

Matches are likely to be played on December 17 and December 18.

[Special Juan 27,424]

Pathetic showing in all honesty, only Cucu looked like he wanted it, the rest were scared of the atmosphere and weren't interested

Garbage

[Reddish-Blue 2,347]

10 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Pathetic showing in all honesty, only Cucu looked like he wanted it, the rest were scared of the atmosphere and weren't interested

Garbage

It was expected, when you rotate most of the side and play reserve guys like Disaster & Badiashile together, you can't really expect a win. 

I knew as soon as my mate showed me the lineups that Newcastle were gonna win the game.  

[Special Juan 27,424]

2 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said:

It was expected, when you rotate most of the side and play reserve guys like Disaster & Badiashile together, you can't really expect a win. 

I knew as soon as my mate showed me the lineups that Newcastle were gonna win the game.  

The two players you mentioned should be nowhere near a PL side never mind starting for Chelsea. 

People keep screaming from the rooftops about the quality off the bench, the same players who started last night and basically did fuck all

[lluubbeenn 142]

I can see more and more hate towards Badi and Disasi. I am strongly against it. Disasi is half decent CB. A bit slow on the turn, but massive. He is not a great passer, but he is ok/average. Playing RB is nonsense for me, as he is not fast enough and understandably not good at attacking spaces. Combine that with playing behind Kienan at rw and you get the most logical outcome. Badi had another good game. His passing was great. The one that led to a goal was on Veiga. Yes, Badi put him under pressure, but that is the idea of playing out from the back. Veiga was by far our worst player yesterday and was again out of position so you cant go too hard on him. 

We created enough chances to score at least a goal. Nkunku and Felix flopped as the experienced strikers in that team. Mudryk I think was great and the biggest positive in this game. With Palmer staying as an unused sub you are sending a signal to the team and the fanbase that we prefer to have 2-3 less games in December-January than to win this cup. COYB!   

[Fulham Broadway 16,839]

Obviously, with a completey different starting 11 Boehly et al have been 'advised' top 4 is priority and that the next 3-4 PL games are crucial.

Hasselbaink needs to have a word with Felix about smashing his shots

[Special Juan 27,424]

Oh and another thing, what the actual fuck does Dewsbury Hall fetch to this side, his is the biggest stand out championship player I have ever seen.

He literally ran round chasing shadows last night and has not put in one decent showing since his signing

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

45 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Oh and another thing, what the actual fuck does Dewsbury Hall fetch to this side, his is the biggest stand out championship player I have ever seen.

He literally ran round chasing shadows last night and has not put in one decent showing since his signing

Was an upgrade on Gallagher if you believe half the folk on here. Absolutely mental he is honking…. Leicester probably wouldn’t take him back. For free. Maresca not even starting him regularly.

His career highlight so far in his time here is nutmegging a farmer in the Conference League which the Chelsea social media account made a reel of… 

Waste of money should ship him out in the summer 👍 

Edited October 31 by OneMoSalah

[cosmicway 1,323]

17 hours ago, Chuckso said:

When our players, especially in defense, lose possession, they do not immediately front the opponent. They start running back looking for a midfielder or forward player to take the initiative to tackle the ball, inviting pressure and psychologically telling our opponents we are afraid which is why catennacio is no longer in vogue. 

Depends how they lose the ball.
Maresca system is to play it clever even when inside our box and even the goalie.
It's run away from the opponent instead of marking him.
So when we lose the ball it becomes dangerous.

Granted goalkeepers nowadays have to have ball skills.
It's been 33 years the back pass is not allowed, or 34.
But Sanchez and the others are pressed to overdo it by Maresca.
 

[Fulham Broadway 16,839]

5 hours ago, Special Juan said:

Oh and another thing, what the actual fuck does Dewsbury Hall fetch to this side, his is the biggest stand out championship player I have ever seen.

He literally ran round chasing shadows last night and has not put in one decent showing since his signing

Thought the same, has he some info on Maresca that we dont know about ? Either way he is an imposter.