Chelsea 0-2 Man City

[NikkiCFC 7,953]

2 minutes ago, manpe said:

Poch already experimented with Enzo at 10 and it failed, why is he playing there again? As soon as Poch put him back deep and Gallagher up, we started playing a lot better. Maresca didn't do his homework? Enzo's a DLP and DLP only.

Actually our best football was with Enzo injured. 

[Vegetable 830]

52 minutes ago, manpe said:

Poch already experimented with Enzo at 10 and it failed, why is he playing there again?

He was listed as captain also, which I find quite intriguing after the Euro thing. Don't want to create any conspiracy, but given club was literally begging for this guy to come here, who knows what he has written into his contract. Maybe since he is half-godlike in the eyes of a lot of fans for whatever reason, this is also reflected in contract and his preferred position must be heard as someone pointed earlier that Enzo allegedly prefers to play more up front, despite it resulting in nothing.

Edited August 19 by Vegetable

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

22 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

He was listed as captain also, which I find quite intriguing after the Euro thing. Don't want to create any conspiracy, but given club was literally begging for this guy to come here, who knows what he has written into his contract. Maybe since he is half-godlike in the eyes of a lot of fans for whatever reason, this is also reflected in contract and his preferred position must be heard as someone pointed earlier that Enzo allegedly prefers to play more up front, despite it resulting in nothing.

I desperately hope that is not true. He really is not that good and absolutely useless as 10.  When he is not giving it his all and putting his body on the line like he did at the Wc, he really is just an average player tbh. Neither his technique, nor his athleticism nor his football iq are anywhere close to that of a 100m player. 

[IMissEden 20]

40 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

He was listed as captain also, which I find quite intriguing after the Euro thing. Don't want to create any conspiracy, but given club was literally begging for this guy to come here, who knows what he has written into his contract. Maybe since he is half-godlike in the eyes of a lot of fans for whatever reason, this is also reflected in contract and his preferred position must be heard as someone pointed earlier that Enzo allegedly prefers to play more up front, despite it resulting in nothing.

He’s resulted plenty for a team with Messi - if he wasn’t good enough he wouldn’t have played. His Benfica stint while brief was dominant. In both cases, he has a proper midfield. The issue here is, people don’t properly assess his midfield partners, and so think the onus is on him to provide the support that is needed in place first for such players to be creative assessors without repercussion. To simplify and not be a twitter idiot, DM, CM, CAM —- whether he is CAM or CM or DLP, you have to have destroyers alongside him, who recycle possession, with cool heads. Caicedo is not exactly that. Lavia is not that at all. In which context, can Enzo actually do whatever fiction is in the air yet to be done. When there are different players alongside him. Don’t misprofile him. Fabregas would be shit in this side, Pirlo would be ran over, Kroos would get similar statements made. Greatness struggles to come through when burdened with anxiety or stress. The environment is the issue, dynamics are the issue. Not the player. 
 

What this club fails to understand is that most players teetering between very good, and great, need a great coach. Ancelotti to Pep would have him looking like he was, and should further be. So too with most players we have now, who won’t hit their heights here, as usual. 
 

How many times can players be great everywhere, shit in this obviously shit environment, and still get sweeping assessments made in that very context. How many times want the great players out, mistaking them for being the issue, as opposed to the absolute garbage either side of them week in week out. It harms their abilities. Have seen all these takes before re De Bruyne re Havertz re xyz majority of fanbase cannot properly assess whatsoever even if give it a full day off to try. Players particularly detailed why they’re one of the ones, by reputable people. Written off like kids by kids with no contextual considerations re the nuances that determine success, and determine good football. Way more than is ever touched on among fans. 
 

I’ll enjoy him playing actual football whenever he is lucky enough to join a football club🙃

Edited August 19 by IMissEden

[manpe 10,861]

38 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

He was listed as captain also, which I find quite intriguing after the Euro thing. Don't want to create any conspiracy, but given club was literally begging for this guy to come here, who knows what he has written into his contract. Maybe since he is half-godlike in the eyes of a lot of fans for whatever reason, this is also reflected in contract and his preferred position must be heard as someone pointed earlier that Enzo allegedly prefers to play more up front, despite it resulting in nothing.

Not allegedly, Poch himself said that Enzo asked him to play higher up. He probably thinks he can score and assist more higher up the pitch, but he can't shoot the ball to save his life. Maresca, the yes-man he is, will probably bend over to every request. Making him captain was a joke too, no wonder many believe Chelsea is a racist club.

[IMissEden 20]

Check his goals for Argentina 🤥, Benfica😔, did anyone actually watch games of his outside of when he joined BlueCo lol. Identify what is there please. Profile him correctly please. Ahead of a season wherein Havertz will have many eat their words. Both born to score. Both like Bambi on ice here but loved everywhere else. 
 

He was a big goal threat every time on the edge of the box for Argentina and for Benfica. When central, he was Galladog. Longer post above re environment. Watch Nkunku join same boat. These are people, not machines. With the most chaotic environment in top level football, you need more, not less, considerations re psychology. We have less than ever both internally and as a fanbase. Issues won’t be fixed, or learned from. Despite this happening over, and over, and over again. Literally the Majority of players this fanbase has wanted out over the years has been oh oops within 2 yrs. They’d never have made it here. Because of here. Not because of them. The club is in a dire state. Not a slight dip. It effects different people differently, from how things are organised, to rushed, to considered not worthwhile. Average players are easier to go under the radar. They stay, average. Better players will show you higher, or lower extremes. That is part and parcel of being different to average players. You aren’t going to do well with them. Neymar wouldn’t, Ronaldo wouldn’t. For a top team, those players are perfect. For Crystal Palace they are not. We are closer to crystal palace. Why would someone like Enzo work among all this. There is no cohesion. Influencers have fed a misframe that balance is there. There isn’t one defensive midfielder in the squad. Reference the Saudi league for a better understanding of how this team is built all wrong, and how it effects those previously considered among the best players in the world. The environment and the balance, two different things, there and here, are the same ilk, with the same result. You cannot expect semblance of what should be happening under the ethos of BlueCo or inexperience of top level performance tied to the board. How is this team built any different to a random Saudi team. They, over there, have more experience - from players, to coaches. What plagues the good players there plagues the ones here, yet here not got one set of experienced hands. Baffling that the players who most embody the game, down tools, while the guys going through the motions, keep doing that nice and fine. There are levels. Need to better understand so many nuances, all fans. Beyond legs and what’s todays tactico. What is the structure. Is it a functional one. No. Ergo. 

Edited August 19 by IMissEden

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

1 minute ago, IMissEden said:

Check his goals for Argentina 🤥, did anyone actually watch games of his outside of when he joined BlueCo lol 

Goals for Argentina? You mean all mammoth 4 of them, 2 of which coming against the mighty forces of El Salvador and Curacao ?

Face it, Enzo is one of the worst attackers in the squad and one of the least suitable years to ever fill that no. 10 role in club history. You could play bettinelli there and he would probably score more

[IMissEden 20]

Hearing talk of Mikel saying too much. Going to go listen now, and bet my life savings, this professional footballer revered by many, an expert of his role, who played with the best players of all time year after year, will be echoing what I said. Checking now. 
 

edit

He thinks the issues are structure, player misprofiling, ethos, squad holes still not filled. Glad to be on same page as Mikel and not 1000 twitter teens parroting what they see others say 

Any microscope on Enzo, is conceding to being reactionary, as any discussion is only following the influencer twitter crowds, or conceding ignorant, in not seeing put the cart ahead of the horse is not the right way to assess where things are. The last thing needing picked at is Enzo. Which again, is not a reaction of eyes to field, but eyes to social media. 

Edited August 19 by IMissEden

[IMissEden 20]

35 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Goals for Argentina? You mean all mammoth 4 of them, 2 of which coming against the mighty forces of El Salvador and Curacao ?

Face it, Enzo is one of the worst attackers in the squad and one of the least suitable years to ever fill that no. 10 role in club history. You could play bettinelli there and he would probably score more

Just say you didn’t see the goals, and probably only saw one after my comment. Learn how to profile players. They’re pretty much all the same goal, and a very impressive one. Learn more about what emphasises / nullifies that type of play, that he continues to give Argentina, and will go back to whenever free. Re, nonsense about why would he ask to be deployed up high. People don’t even understand the context of the player they’re supposedly talking / parroting, about. 
 

Next consider player development after diving deeper into how to profile players. If you haven’t already, or don’t want to, how is this a serious convo right now. From where this confidence of assessing players. What is your track record. 

Edited August 19 by IMissEden

[IMissEden 20]

yesterday. Use your ears, or eyes. I don’t mind. It’s easy to miss things when all the crowds of parrots are parroting something. 

[King Kante 1,478]

2 hours ago, manpe said:

Poch already experimented with Enzo at 10 and it failed, why is he playing there again? As soon as Poch put him back deep and Gallagher up, we started playing a lot better. Maresca didn't do his homework? Enzo's a DLP and DLP only.

It is because Caicedo is being protected. He shouldn't be in the starting line-up with Lavia back but they want him crowbarred into the side because he cost £120m.

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

13 minutes ago, King Kante said:

It is because Caicedo is being protected. He shouldn't be in the starting line-up with Lavia back but they want him crowbarred into the side because he cost £120m.

I'd rather caicedo and lavia, watch the highlights Enzo fucked 3 decent chances yesterday, not to mention lavia and caicedo have more of a connection than caicedo and Enzo had in a full season. Every one says caicedo is the problem but when Enzo was injured we went on a 7 game win streak 🤔 but let's continue with caicedo is the problem narrative.

[Special Juan 27,429]

It's mental that after one game the papers are littered with more drama with us, Sterling and his statement, a loss and crowd getting annoyed.

This club is mental

[mkh 273]

Napoli wants to get Romelu Lukaku on their own terms. They have offered a loan with obgliation to buy. £4.2 million for the loan, then £21.3 million next year. 

Chelsea have not yet accepted these conditions.

(@DiMarzio)

[King Kante 1,478]

33 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

I'd rather caicedo and lavia, watch the highlights Enzo fucked 3 decent chances yesterday, not to mention lavia and caicedo have more of a connection than caicedo and Enzo had in a full season. Every one says caicedo is the problem but when Enzo was injured we went on a 7 game win streak 🤔 but let's continue with caicedo is the problem narrative.

That win streak was at the end of the season when half the teams were on the beach. In addition, Caicedo needed to be flanked by both Gallagher and Cucu in order to not be a liability positionally and allow everyone to play straight through us. So, I am not really buying his late season form marked a turning point for him and expect him to go back to par, which is what we saw yesterday.

As for Enzo, I am not really defending him, he also has to be doing a lot better. However, Enzo can move the ball better than Caicedo and Lavia is the best DM of the three. As a result, Lavia starts with Enzo because as a pair they should compliment each other better.

 

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

1 hour ago, IMissEden said:

Just say you didn’t see the goals, and probably only saw one after my comment. Learn how to profile players. They’re pretty much all the same goal, and a very impressive one. Learn more about what emphasises / nullifies that type of play, that he continues to give Argentina, and will go back to whenever free. Re, nonsense about why would he ask to be deployed up high. People don’t even understand the context of the player they’re supposedly talking / parroting, about. 
 

Next consider player development after diving deeper into how to profile players. If you haven’t already, or don’t want to, how is this a serious convo right now. From where this confidence of assessing players. What is your track record. 

😂

Dude, you obviously have 0 clue about football but at least you are funny. You should work for Clownlake

 

Nothing beats ppl joining a forum and instantly start spamming it with these random incoherent ramblings. Brilliant 😂

[coolhead23 1,146]

Losing is never easy but our performance turned out better than expected (what are we turning into🥲)

Felt there were some good positives to take home. 

• Colwill & Fofana partnership was better than expected. If they can stay injury free then they can be our mainstay specially if we're not buying anyone at that position. They might surprise many. 
• Cucurella, what has gone into him. The way be kept Doku quiet & moved him on the other side, his pressing, being everywhere ... he surely has turned around things. 
• Lavia is a breathe of fresh air. Solid & covering the ground. 
• If we dont get any more first team player then I believe we have our 11 & importantly we have decent change players (this is without consider James, Sterling & Connor) ... Now the team has to built on its chemistry. 
• Palmer is going to be a star, he has the knack to push things ... we need players like Nkuku, Lavia, Enzo, Neto to work with him. 
• Ones who didnt turn up yesterday were Gusto, Enzo, Jackson, Nkuku, Sanchez. We are in dire state to have better shot stoppers not someone to play from behind, finishers in the final third. Hope something gets done. 

Overall, hope this is keep getting better. 

 

[robsblubot 3,504]

5 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

I'd rather caicedo and lavia, watch the highlights Enzo fucked 3 decent chances yesterday, not to mention lavia and caicedo have more of a connection than caicedo and Enzo had in a full season. Every one says caicedo is the problem but when Enzo was injured we went on a 7 game win streak 🤔 but let's continue with caicedo is the problem narrative.

Regarding last season, that was in a very direct and counter-attacking style which is vastly different from what the new manager does (which is the reason he was hired). He was also used in the toughest matches, and was rested during the easy ones... stats are fun.

Enzo was bought as arguably one of the best CMs for huge money, at least on the young side. I don't understand why he plays as a CAM for us, so that's a problem the manager has to sort out.
He's far more skillful than Caicedo, and I think he will play a much bigger part this season knowing what the manager seeks in terms of characteristics.