Welcome Mauricio Pochettino

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

12 hours ago, Vesper said:

would love him here (he is a master at improving young players), BUT he is the opposite of a yes man

no way, at 66 years of age, that he will take shit from Bo-Clownlake

Gasperini is as far from a boot-licker that you can get

Aye very risky appointment for that reason specifically. He has been given carte blanche there. Won’t get that here. Hence why we are going for Thomas Framk and the Leicester manager (couldn’t imagine either being a yes man). 

[Mhsc 1,091]

One cynical view might be that really all they want to achieve is to establish a series of "talent factories" that produce world class academy talent, selling them for huge profits, and buying young players to sell on for big profits in the future. Then the only priority with the manager is someone that wont argue and is good enough to take a talented bunch of kids into the top 4 regularly, and can grow the kids and play the sort of football that increases their value.

Could argue Poch has done that for Gallagher - he was basically Poch's perfect player, and now they'll sell him while his value is peaking. Then the new manager maybe will make some of our wingers look insane for the next year and they'll sell those off, and chop and change the manager again for whoever they think will boost the right players transfer values...

Cynical and probably mostly wrong, but it has crossed my mind...

Essentially the Tony Bloom approach but with way more cash and bigger risk / bigger reward if it goes well.

Edited May 23, 2024 by Mhsc

[cosmicway 1,333]

25 minutes ago, Mhsc said:

One cynical view might be that really all they want to achieve is to establish a series of "talent factories" that produce world class academy talent, selling them for huge profits, and buying young players to sell on for big profits in the future. Then the only priority with the manager is someone that wont argue and is good enough to take a talented bunch of kids into the top 4 regularly, and can grow the kids and play the sort of football that increases their value.

Could argue Poch has done that for Gallagher - he was basically Poch's perfect player, and now they'll sell him while his value is peaking. Then the new manager maybe will make some of our wingers look insane for the next year and they'll sell those off, and chop and change the manager again for whoever they think will boost the right players transfer values...

Cynical and probably mostly wrong, but it has crossed my mind...

Essentially the Tony Bloom approach but with way more cash and bigger risk / bigger reward if it goes well.

Monstrous, to the point I find it difficult to believe.
It is anestablished fact that the teams who sell players sink to oblivion.
Some people pocket money but the teams sink.
Watch this:
Who is Greece's greatest player of all time ?
It is Mimis Domazos undisputedly.
Played from 1959 to 1980 for my rivals, Panathinaikos.
In 1959-60 he won the league. My father's friends were teasing me thus: "your little team is hopeless, we have the big general" and it was only his first season.
I remember this as if it was yesterday.
So in today's world how long would he have stayed in Greece ?
January 1960 ? Bust it - ok - maybe. 
September 1960 ? Unlikely.
He was probably going to move to Roma or Eintracht Frankfurt - I 'm not saying Real Madrid or AC Milan.
The same with all the other great icons of past years.
Our football history would be some evzon players from the mountains ...
We would n't even remember today that Mimis was once one of the greens. Some would say "he was one of the ... reds".

 

 

[Vegetable 830]

58 minutes ago, Mhsc said:

One cynical view might be that really all they want to achieve is to establish a series of "talent factories" that produce world class academy talent, selling them for huge profits, and buying young players to sell on for big profits in the future. Then the only priority with the manager is someone that wont argue and is good enough to take a talented bunch of kids into the top 4 regularly, and can grow the kids and play the sort of football that increases their value.

Could argue Poch has done that for Gallagher - he was basically Poch's perfect player, and now they'll sell him while his value is peaking. Then the new manager maybe will make some of our wingers look insane for the next year and they'll sell those off, and chop and change the manager again for whoever they think will boost the right players transfer values...

Cynical and probably mostly wrong, but it has crossed my mind...

Essentially the Tony Bloom approach but with way more cash and bigger risk / bigger reward if it goes well.

Isn't it what most of clubs outside the top of the top are forced to do anyway?

It's one of most proven ways to make club's operation profitable on books and only way to sustain for most. There was a lot of talk Clearlake is going to do this. On the other hand, the club is overpaying massively for meh-players in the beginning and doesn't really have a structure in place to develop them, so I don't see how would it be supposed to work. Selling out all decent academy players seems like the only way imo.

[cosmicway 1,333]

2 hours ago, Vegetable said:

Isn't it what most of clubs outside the top of the top are forced to do anyway?

It's one of most proven ways to make club's operation profitable on books and only way to sustain for most. There was a lot of talk Clearlake is going to do this. On the other hand, the club is overpaying massively for meh-players in the beginning and doesn't really have a structure in place to develop them, so I don't see how would it be supposed to work. Selling out all decent academy players seems like the only way imo.

Second strings usually.
About Palmer he was a substitute and Pep quite probably made a mistake.

[NikkiCFC 8,286]

We not gonna be selling club for sure. Why would we spent 220m pounds for Enzo and Caicedo. How can you sell them for profit? Idea is that players grow together. Plus you have quotes about Boehly wanting 100 points a season team. 

[cfccrost 23]

If he wants a 100 points per seasin team he needs to bring a decent coach in

[Strike 7,474]

1 hour ago, cosmicway said:

Second strings usually.
About Palmer he was a substitute and Pep quite probably made a mistake.

Pep usually allows players to leave 

Many have left in last few years. I can remember only Bernardo and Walker being persuaded to stay. Rest like Gundogan, Ferran, Jesus, Zinchenko all left. Even Ake and few others were close to being sold 

[cosmicway 1,333]

12 minutes ago, Strike said:

Pep usually allows players to leave 

Many have left in last few years. I can remember only Bernardo and Walker being persuaded to stay. Rest like Gundogan, Ferran, Jesus, Zinchenko all left. Even Ake and few others were close to being sold 

Nobody transfer lists their cream players.
Only the poor houses.
With Rudiger it was a big contract issue.
With Hazard Roman's experts anticipated he did n't have many years infront of him (turned out he had zero years !).
The case of Kovacic intrigued me a little.

[bluesman2610 1,415]

6 hours ago, Special Juan said:

Whoever walks through the door will be given the line "here are the players we are buying you, sort it"

Apparently the two clowns Winstanley and Stewart presented to Poch the big missed chances, well fuck me sideways you pair of cunts couldn't even get him a top striker.

Wankers

As if he was the player missing the chances

[cosmicway 1,333]

11 minutes ago, bluesman2610 said:

As if he was the player missing the chances

Everybody misses big chances. Including Maradona and Pele.
Those players who miss big chances all the time are those who don't have good sideways vision and lose confidence infront of goal.
Examples are Werner and Mudryk. Jackson also but a little better,
Only Diego (who also missed a few glaring chances in his time) was near perfect and Drog before him.
One who was real bad was Morata but managed to correct himself back in Spain.
Then some others like Aube, Higuain, Falcao, well -; those did not have the strengths needed to play for Chelsea.

I don't really know if a coach can correct this in a player. Maybe but I don't recall many cases.
Chance conversion is really a special talent.
You know who was the deadliest I 've known ?
Mitroglou (Olympiakos - Fulham - Benfica) !
Not much of a footballer but cool as an iceberg infront of goal.

 

Edited May 23, 2024 by cosmicway

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

5 hours ago, Mhsc said:

One cynical view might be that really all they want to achieve is to establish a series of "talent factories" that produce world class academy talent, selling them for huge profits, and buying young players to sell on for big profits in the future.

Yes, and not that cynical. That approach is endorsed by many clubs, especially in the Championship.  

I cite Bristol City, nice shiny PL standard stadium, ✔️ (makes the fans feel special), billionaire owner, ✔️, profitable from buying land and developing a 'sporting quarter', ✔️ profitable from selling any player that is PL material, (the list is phenomenal)  ✔️ quite happy to make a profit, and let the team wallow in mid table mediocrity✔️

So many owners dont care where the revenue comes from, and for some success is just another fucking headache they could do without - as that puts pressure on them. We were lucky to have 20 odd years where winning trophies was the owners be all and end all.