Welcome Mauricio Pochettino

[robsblubot 3,595]

11 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Newcastle and Brighton have had more injuries whilst being in Europe and they are still ahead of us in the table. The latter has been stripped head to toe. 

Not buying the poor options argument. Exclude penalties, Jackson is the 8th highest goal scorer in the league. Palmer is going to end the season with 40 goal contributions. Sterling, despite being selfish, has a goal contribution every other game in the Premier League. Mudryk and Madueke have among the best contributions per 90 out of any bench options in the league. Enzo has among the best long ball pass accuracy and most progressive passes in the league, and Caicedo despite people claiming is shit, has better defensive metrics than Rice this season. I just don't buy it. These are talented players let down by poor game management. 

Go take a trip down memory lane in 2020 and see threads about Rudiger, Christensen, and Kante. 

I really don't understand how some people disregard options esp in the modern game where there is simply no starting XI anymore and the selected starting XI never ever! play for 90 minutes. 🤷‍♂️

I read your stats very differently: all our goals come from the same players, which is not that great esp because the numbers aren't fantastic. "Mudryk and Madueke have among the best contributions per 90" this has to be the most useless stat in my book, sorry. Both are poor players (linkup, poor first touch etc). I can find better players in pretty much every club in the top half of the PL.

"and Caicedo despite people claiming is shit, has better defensive metrics than Rice this season"
On the other hand, Rice has 10x better attacking numbers, doesn't he? Caicedo is awful in attack. I happen to rate Rice a lot higher than Caicedo, but that's me.

Once again, without considering the injured payers, how do you improve our midfield? How do you make the midfield more creative? Do you think we get enough goals and assists from the mid trio? I like Gallagher, but he's not a skillful or creative player. Enzo, albeit more skillful, isn't that player either.

"Go take a trip down memory lane in 2020 and see threads about Rudiger, Christensen, and Kante."
I don't care about what someone wrote 4 years ago. I don't have to agree and never did agree with all the criticisms back then. Andreas was always a good ball-playing CB in my book and Ruddier was mostly hindered by injuries.

We give opinions: sometimes we are right and sometimes we are wrong about players.
I don't see the quality you see in this roster. I think some of these players will never play for another top club in their careers.

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Just now, robsblubot said:

I really don't understand how some people disregard options esp in the modern game where there is simply no starting XI anymore and the selected starting XI never ever! play for 90 minutes. 🤷‍♂️

I read your stats very differently: all our goals come from the same players, which is not that great esp because the numbers aren't fantastic. "Mudryk and Madueke have among the best contributions per 90" this has to be the most useless stat in my book, sorry. Both are poor players (linkup, poor first touch etc). I can find better players in pretty much every club in the top half of the PL.

"and Caicedo despite people claiming is shit, has better defensive metrics than Rice this season"
On the other hand, Rice has 10x better attacking numbers, doesn't he? Caicedo is awful in attack. I happen to rate Rice a lot higher than Caicedo, but that's me.

Once again, without considering the injured payers, how do you improve our midfield? How do you make the midfield more creative? Do you think we get enough goals and assists from the mid trio? I like Gallagher, but he's not a skillful or creative player. Enzo, albeit more skillful, isn't that player either.

"Go take a trip down memory lane in 2020 and see threads about Rudiger, Christensen, and Kante."
I don't care about what someone wrote 4 years ago. I don't have to agree and never did agree with all the criticisms back then. Andreas was always a good ball-playing CB in my book and Ruddier was mostly hindered by injuries.

We give opinions: sometimes we are right and sometimes we are wrong about players.
I don't see the quality you see in this roster. I think some of these players will never play for another top club in their careers.

Go on and find me better bench players at other clubs that have more goal involvements per 90 than Mudryk and Madueke if its such a useless stat then? You bang on like a constant drum about how poor our players allegedly are and I am showing you the underlying metrics which proves they aren't as shit as you are making them out to be. 

The injuries excuse has little to no baring when the issue at hand is his game management. How do we improve our midfield and make it more creative? It's the managers job to be extracting performance in all areas and if you are 9 months in and it still isn't working, you then need to start looking at your training methods/man management and tactical decisions. We have a manager who in this day in age would take prime Riqulme and bench him because he isn't a running merchant. 

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33 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Go on and find me better bench players at other clubs that have more goal involvements per 90 than Mudryk and Madueke if its such a useless stat then? You bang on like a constant drum about how poor our players allegedly are and I am showing you the underlying metrics which proves they aren't as shit as you are making them out to be. 

The injuries excuse has little to no baring when the issue at hand is his game management. How do we improve our midfield and make it more creative? It's the managers job to be extracting performance in all areas and if you are 9 months in and it still isn't working, you then need to start looking at your training methods/man management and tactical decisions. We have a manager who in this day and age would take prime Riqulme and bench him because he isn't a running merchant. 

There is nothing factual about any of that. I’m providing opinions, but I don’t pretend they are factual. 🤷‍♂️ 

mudryk and Madueke are poor options imo.

my opinion remains we have some shit players who will never play for another top club again. We will be proven right or wrong in time. And it will make no difference whatsoever.

Edited April 2, 2024 by robsblubot

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It's so strange to hear Poch did this or that against Liverpool in the final. The only remotely defensive-minded sub was Challobah for Chilwell, who was prob dead and buried by then given his fitness levels. To balance it out, he replaced Gallagher with Madueke, so we ended up having more attacking players in that extra time.

Speaking of which, both Madueke and Mudryk did fuck all against Liverpool kids with acres of space against their high line in those 30 min of extra time. Nkunku was on the pitch as well, and just as ineffective, but that guy has hardly played this season.... injuries.... So, no, the players don't get a pass from me.

Edited April 3, 2024 by robsblubot

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

17 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Go on and find me better bench players at other clubs that have more goal involvements per 90 than Mudryk and Madueke if its such a useless stat then? You bang on like a constant drum about how poor our players allegedly are and I am showing you the underlying metrics which proves they aren't as shit as you are making them out to be. 

The injuries excuse has little to no baring when the issue at hand is his game management. How do we improve our midfield and make it more creative? It's the managers job to be extracting performance in all areas and if you are 9 months in and it still isn't working, you then need to start looking at your training methods/man management and tactical decisions. We have a manager who in this day in age would take prime Riqulme and bench him because he isn't a running merchant. 

So if we are using underlying metrics for players then what about Poch saying we would be fourth based on underlying metrics this season? You’re not going to convince anybody Mudryk and Noni are good players based on underlying metrics either. They are awful. People can see that with their eyes. Theres a reason they are bench players in one of the worst sides we have had in ages. Thats just further proof that underlying metrics are shite.

Irrespectively of who’s to blame be it players or managers as a collective, the individual and collective performances is extraordinarily poor considering the value of the squad.

 

 

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31 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

So if we are using underlying metrics for players then what about Poch saying we would be fourth based on underlying metrics this season? You’re not going to convince anybody Mudryk and Noni are good players based on underlying metrics either. They are awful. People can see that with their eyes. Theres a reason they are bench players in one of the worst sides we have had in ages. Thats just further proof that underlying metrics are shite.

Irrespectively of who’s to blame be it players or managers as a collective, the individual and collective performances is extraordinarily poor considering the value of the squad.

The underlying metrics says Poch is shit at game management and being proactive when we are 18th in the league table based on 2nd half performances. 

I suppose Bournemouth have a better players than us now. 

10 hours ago, robsblubot said:

It's so strange to hear Poch did this or that against Liverpool in the final. The only remotely defensive-minded sub was Challobah for Chilwell, who was prob dead and buried by then given his fitness levels. To balance it out, he replaced Gallagher with Madueke, so we ended up having more attacking players in that extra time.

Speaking of which, both Madueke and Mudryk did fuck all against Liverpool kids with acres of space against their high line in those 30 min of extra time. Nkunku was on the pitch as well, and just as ineffective, but that guy has hardly played this season.... injuries.... So, no, the players don't get a pass from me.

Yes that is exactly what happened. Poch went more attacking in extra time. Forget playing on the counter by taking off our only ST and playing long ball to an isolated Nkunku, with Mudryk and Madueke acting as ancillary wingbacks and Enzo and Caicedo playing deeper and deeper for what ever reason. 

Fucking hell. 

[Special Juan 28,094]

He's a right boring cunt Poch, his PC's are absolutley shite, the same shit comes out of his mouth every week

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3 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

The underlying metrics says Poch is shit at game management and being proactive when we are 18th in the league table based on 2nd half performances. 

I suppose Bournemouth have a better players than us now. 

Yes that is exactly what happened. Poch went more attacking in extra time. Forget playing on the counter by taking off our only ST and playing long ball to an isolated Nkunku, with Mudryk and Madueke acting as ancillary wingbacks and Enzo and Caicedo playing deeper and deeper for what ever reason. 

Fucking hell. 

Yeah maybe he is. Good players find ways to win big games though... we are missing those.

Like drop back, take the ball from one of the Liverpool kids and beat a couple of players to create something--seen it done by less than WC players tbh. Their isolation was too their own fault.

Reminder that we've won a freaking Champions League with Di Matteo at the helm... 😃

Edited April 3, 2024 by robsblubot

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On 02/04/2024 at 16:42, milka said:

Yep we come to the conclusion, which is clear, that Pochettino is not a top coach and our managment is poor .Our best players Palmer and Gallagher can hardly even be on the bench for the teams of the last 10 years, let's be real which tells you what level we have .

We didn't had better RW in Roman era than Palmer. 

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13 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

We didn't had better RW in Roman era than Palmer. 

On skill alone, I agree with you. I know it's controversial, but balance of a team is always FAR more important than individual brilliance in my book.
If you have Eden on the left, then you prob don't want palmer on the right. Maybe move him as CAM and get a workhorse like Willian on the right. Might still be too attacking minded to win silverware tho eh.

His point about Gallagher still stands tho. I think the issue is more of lack of balance once again: if we had a CAM in the roster (other than moving Palmer there), then Gallagher could drop back a bit where his characteristics are more of a fit. Then we'd have better options in a CM pivot between the 3 who always play and don't provide enough going forward.

Edited April 3, 2024 by robsblubot

[Fernando 6,585]

Like I keep saying. Buy a defense and all of a sudden he will look really good. 

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The real worries for me aren't the players liking him etc it's the lack of tactical instruction, lack of shape we never have, the players really do feel like it's alright off you go then chaps try to be creative and win the game.

Yes we've been unlucky with injuries and in general lack of ruthlessness by players but the above is the real worry for me, even if we were to get anywhere near top 4 next season, we'd go no further with this coach.

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Not sure where Poch would be at without Palmer, he is worse than Potter imo.

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24 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Not sure where Poch would be at without Palmer, he is worse than Potter imo.

Second part is fair, but first could be said about pretty much any winning side (Drogba, lamps, Eden...).
Even if Tuchel did not have that one game winner, he did have a number of WC players who just turned up for that run (Rudiger and Kante to name 2).

Even the worst Chelsea teams I can remember (this one is right there for me), had some good players in it.

Edited April 5, 2024 by robsblubot

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22 hours ago, Fernando said:

Like I keep saying. Buy a defense and all of a sudden he will look really good. 

Sorry for the DP, but I'd say the midfield is still a bigger concern than the D for me. And although the goalie has been doing well for his age and experience, we should do without such qualifiers every time we talk about our starters.

There is a reason both Chelsea and United can't control matches.

Edited April 5, 2024 by robsblubot