MoroccanBlue 5,383 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Lampard shouldn't even accept the job if those are the expectations. We barely managed Top 4 with Hazard and now we are without him, have a transfer ban, and our rivals strengthening. So unrealistic. Supermonkey92 and xPetrCechx 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, manpe said: I doubt it. We showed unprecedented patience with Mourinho, Sarri and to an extent Conte. Lampard will be given even more leeway because sacking him for something petty would permanently turn the fans, plus I know the board are dumb in football matters but I do trust them to acknowledge that top 4 under current circumstances would be a bonus, not a do-or-die target. If we don't completely implode, I think he will get a long-term opportunity with Jody to slowly and patiently grow with us. This. If we don't qualify for the Champions League but show progress with the playing style, playing squad etc, I doubt the board will just sack Lampard and start over again. Like you alluded to, they might not be the brightest of people but even they can't be that dumb to turn this job into 'get Champions League or you're fired' thing. No one is going to take up the job in the future if we go down that road. manpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: Lampard shouldn't even accept the job if those are the expectations. We barely managed Top 4 with Hazard and now we are without him, have a transfer ban, and our rivals strengthening. So unrealistic. I wouldnt rule out top 4 tho nobody thought Leicester would win the league as Jimmy greaves said football is a funny old game ulsterchelsea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbluewillie 1,930 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: Lampard shouldn't even accept the job if those are the expectations. We barely managed Top 4 with Hazard and now we are without him, have a transfer ban, and our rivals strengthening. So unrealistic. Me i'm I want him here,he'll do his best with what is on hand. There are sinister ppl around who would like to see him fail if he is appointed just to make them feel good that they were right. ulsterchelsea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, Mana said: I said if he fails top 4. Sarri would be gone if he had failed, Mourinho was booted even before the season ended, and Conte was booted after finishing 5th. C'mon now, let's not rewrite history and and say the failure to get top 4 was the reason they got fired. Mourinho created a ridiculous toxic atmosphere in 2015/16 (even took us to near the relegation zone!) and so did Conte to a lesser extent in 2017/18 (he practically "sacked" himself after December 2017). Results weren't great but they forged an environment that was difficult to work in, play with. How could we have continued with them? ulsterchelsea and bigbluewillie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, the wes said: I wouldnt rule out top 4 tho nobody thought Leicester would win the league as Jimmy greaves said football is a funny old game Not that I'm optimistic myself but not sure why everyone is all doom and gloom over the top 4 right now. The season hasn't even started and we don't even know what's going to happen. We don't even know if Arsenal, United are going to improve significantly for next season. Arsenal don't seem capable of attracting top players and Lacazette/Aubameyang can only take them so far while United look like they might take the youth route under Solskjaer judging by stories of his transfer targets. bigbluewillie and the wes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Just now, Mana said: I’m not rewriting history. Yes there were other factors in their sacking, but them NOT getting top 4 is one of the reasons why they got sacked. Mourinho, 1 point above relegation zone isn’t going to get us up to top 4 isn’t he? Conte, finished 5th regardless of the drama. It may be one of the reasons but it's certainly not the deciding reason. Doubt Conte would have been sacked if he hadn't "done so" himself and with Mourinho, there was no other choice when you look at the way he was dragging us down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jase 43,479 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Thought I'm usually the one who's all doom and gloom here but feels like others have taken it up a notch. Rather than turning this thread - and Sarri's - into 'Lampard will fail because of bla bla bla vs Lampard will succeed because of bla bla bla', how about we see what will happen and pass judgment when things have actually happened? We might fail under Lampard or we might even do well under him...who knows?! Going over the same debate every week is as dull and predictable as Sarriball last season. bigbluewillie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whats happening 1,618 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 we barely made top4 with sarri and hazard and now you guys expect that we will make it again? we will be lucky if we get el next season Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, whats happening said: we barely made top4 with sarri and hazard and now you guys expect that we will make it again? Who are you talking to? I actually don't see anybody expecting him to make top 4, people are being rather realistic with their expectations. ulsterchelsea and 11Drogba 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,926 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 So much for that announcement today like all the media people said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, whats happening said: we barely made top4 with sarri and hazard and now you guys expect that we will make it again? we will be lucky if we get el next season Football doesn't work as simple as that. There's many factors to consider. Firstly, you would imagine Kante, Kepa, Jorginho, Christensen will all be better next season which as a collective will go a fair way to making up for Hazard's loss. Secondly we have coped well without him last couple of years, 20 wins out of 21 last year in games he didn't start, yes the opponents weren't great and yes he came on and made the difference in a few of them but if we were so fucked without him we wouldn't drum up a stat like that. Yes he will be missed and yes games will come by when we seriously miss his magic, however there's been enough sample size of playing without him the last couple of years which suggest we will not be plummeting down the league. bigbluewillie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,324 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, whats happening said: we barely made top4 with sarri and hazard and now you guys expect that we will make it again? we will be lucky if we get el next season Nope we don't need EL again. We have just won it. Pointless competition for us. It's better to finish seventh or eighth next season and try to win title season after like Conte did without European games. All fans should not care about results next season just like our board. Lampard is here to stay for decades so first couple of seasons board won't judge him based on the results. ulsterchelsea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,383 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Why City being banned from the Champions League is going to be a piss take as they will steamroll the league that season. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 41 minutes ago, whats happening said: we barely made top4 with sarri and hazard and now you guys expect that we will make it again? we will be lucky if we get el next season But United and Arsenal are not that great neither. Lampard compare to Ole and Emery might get the best of those two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whats happening 1,618 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 32 minutes ago, manpe said: Who are you talking to? I actually don't see anybody expecting him to make top 4, people are being rather realistic with their expectations. wes said it, few posts before mine. and on few other places too. 29 minutes ago, Tomo said: Football doesn't work as simple as that. There's many factors to consider. Firstly, you would imagine Kante, Kepa, Jorginho, Christensen will all be better next season which as a collective will go a fair way to making up for Hazard's loss. Secondly we have coped well without him last couple of years, 20 wins out of 21 last year in games he didn't start, yes the opponents weren't great and yes he came on and made the difference in a few of them but if we were so fucked without him we wouldn't drum up a stat like that. Yes he will be missed and yes games will come by when we seriously miss his magic, however there's been enough sample size of playing without him the last couple of years which suggest we will not be plummeting down the league. i cant see anyone in this team who will score more than 15 goals next season. that will be our main problem. and those guys who you mentioned will not help in that department surely el teams should not count, tier 3 teams... 17 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: Nope we don't need EL again. We have just won it. Pointless competition for us. It's better to finish seventh or eighth next season and try to win title season after like Conte did without European games. All fans should not care about results next season just like our board. Lampard is here to stay for decades so first couple of seasons board won't judge him based on the results. agree, but the club doesnt share this philosophy. Just now, Fernando said: But United and Arsenal are not that great neither. Lampard compare to Ole and Emery might get the best of those two. united and arsenal will buy players and will get better. Supermonkey92 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, whats happening said: united and arsenal will buy players and will get better. How do you know that? Arsenal don't have a big budget and Auba and Lacazette aside have been pretty pants in the market for years. United throw money away at will. They may sign players but there's no guarantee both or even either will significantly improve, infact (recent) history suggests they won't. Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,383 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 We don't need to worry about Arsenal. Spurs and United however. To an extent even Leicester Supermonkey92 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,926 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Yeah, I expect United to have a significantly improved side next season. Whether Olé Gunnar is up to the task of taking them to the top I don't know. Spuds will surely add to their squad this summer. Lampard getting a Hazard-less Chelsea team with no new additions to 4th spot would be one of the most ridiculous achievements ever. 11Drogba 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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