Graham Potter Thread

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

7 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

I do understand discussions can get heated late at night, but let's say it this way: I often see, esp. on this board, people tend to place equal sign between acceptance of team rebuild (and noticing the urgent need for this) and acceptance of Potter in particular and/or ridiculous Owner's moves in terms of transfers, staffing and organization. While this looks like convenient argument to make, I think it's big mistake or misunderstanding. Those things doesn't necessarily come in packet. 

Rebuild you need transfer windows, he's had like 10 injury's and January as just opened, easy to get mad at bad results, this club needs to change and I believe it will do

[Vegetable 830]

27 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Rebuild you need transfer windows, he's had like 10 injury's and January as just opened, easy to get mad at bad results, this club needs to change and I believe it will do

I do not care for results as much as I do care for Potter's credibility and personality or rather lack of them.

Rebuild done by serial winner or at least elite-tier guy is fine, we know what we can expect and we know what manager is capable (or what potential he has).

And what kind of success do we expect from Potter? To even maintain mediocre level of success that Chelsea regularly achieves in last 20 years, Potter would have to already go way beyond everything he already "achieved". Is he even capable of winning silverware in elite football at all? I'm not sure, to put it mildly. He could do well as part of coaching staff or assistant with his supposed talents no doubt, but he is way out of his depth here.

Not even want to go about the main arguments for his appointment seem to be a) his nationality, what is ridiculous for me in XXI century and b) ability to make Brighton to play Brighton level (apparently some people like to think he achieved Leicester's winning season level of success, well, nope).

Among all the excuses for him there's that "his players" and transfer window stuff - well, it's fine when a manager has his favorite FIFA squad in team and everything works in his favor, but that rarely happens in real life. Manager also has to do good with what he has available. If a manager always has some excuse in his way to perform on at least a decent level then he's just no manager at all. Remember Sarri? He didn't even care much about who comes, who leaves and who is injured.

It's not the matter we are losing, because in football you lose. Fact is we are playing horribly and the manger has no clue what to do with this and looks like a spectator, with occasional ridiculous or pathetic thought to share during the press conference. All players are in decline, new players are in decline, our tactics is bland and doesn't seem to utilize our strengths in any innovative way, morale is terrible. For Fans to tolerate this for next 6 months because poor Potter doesn't have the players he like (and people seem to be in denial to understand he may actually never get them) is just beyond absurd for me. 

Players not performing? Kick them in arse, motivate them, send them to U21, coax or criticize, find tactic that works for them or develop like TT did with Rudi. That's managers main job for god's sake!

Yet I feel all this was said here for millions of times already. 

Edited January 13, 2023 by Vegetable

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

Name a serial winner manager available right now? And don't say TT because that ship has sailed and partly the reason we are where we are.

[Vegetable 830]

2 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Name a serial winner manager available right now? And don't say TT because that ship has sailed and partly the reason we are where we are.

If we are about to ignore all the arguments and play with convenient absurd, fine - Given our current situation, I'm fine with this guy, he won't do worse:  

[lucio 5,418]

4 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Name a serial winner manager available right now? And don't say TT because that ship has sailed and partly the reason we are where we are.

Zidane and enrique are supposedly available

[gdlk 286]

Theres something strange in training.. I dont know what they do but half team is injured, rest cant stop a ball or cant make simple pass with one touch.. 

We made Havertz from technical gifted player into wood who cant control ball lol. If you dont belive just watch his matches with Leverkusen.. 

I think they dont train technical exercises at all.. 

[lucio 5,418]

1 minute ago, gdlk said:

Theres something strange in training.. I dont know what they do but half team is injured, rest cant stop a ball or cant make simple pass with one touch.. 

We made Havertz from technical gifted player into wood who cant control ball lol. If you dont belive just watch his matches with Leverkusen.. 

I think they dont train technical exercises at all.. 

Felix will be a donkey after a few months at Chelsea 

[gdlk 286]

Someone have to tell english managers football isnt only running but there is also technical and tactical exercises.. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

21 minutes ago, lucio said:

Zidane and enrique are supposedly available

Zidane won't come no chance, and Enrique? 800 passes per game in our own half? For a start we haven't even got the players to play his shitty ticky tacky football.

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

23 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

If we are about to ignore all the arguments and play with convenient absurd, fine - Given our current situation, I'm fine with this guy, he won't do worse:  

I'm not ignoring them I simply haven't read them, generally when post are that long it's full of absolute dribble, so I don't bother to read it all, nothing against you like. If it makes you feel better I haven't read one of vespers long post in like 5 years 🤣

[lucio 5,418]

10 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Zidane won't come no chance, and Enrique? 800 passes per game in our own half? For a start we haven't even got the players to play his shitty ticky tacky football.

His Barcelona team was fairly direct 

[Vegetable 830]

4 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

I'm not ignoring them I simply haven't read them, generally when post are that long it's full of absolute dribble, so I don't bother to read it all, nothing against you like. If it makes you feel better I haven't read one of vespers long post in like 5 years 🤣

If you think this is a reason to brag about, up to You mate. 

I understand you like Potter and will deny him being incompetent deer in headlights for dear life, that your right. The audacity to call any honoured manager's football "shitty" while we have Potter and probably we wouldn't do worse against Fulham and Forrest if players were just told to freestyle does it for me. 

[Mhsc 1,098]

32 minutes ago, gdlk said:

Theres something strange in training.. I dont know what they do but half team is injured, rest cant stop a ball or cant make simple pass with one touch.. 

We made Havertz from technical gifted player into wood who cant control ball lol. If you dont belive just watch his matches with Leverkusen.. 

I think they dont train technical exercises at all.. 

It is possible that training has been persistently subpar or a LONG time, given that we played so many games - didn't we play the most or close to the most out of any team in the world in the last year or two? It is quite likely that a lot of stuff that our coaches have wanted to do over the last couple of years has been impossible due to this. No doubt also played a part in our injury crisis.

I am kind of hoping we have no European football next year whatsoever, maybe everyone will say I am crazy, but I remember in Conte's title winning year what a massive difference it made. 

I woke up with the opinion we may as well stick with Potter for now. Club should set a target finishing position with him and if he can't reach it with the lads we're buying in January and the ones we already have then sack him end of season. Feel like another manager right now will have the same problems and still struggle awfully and essentially not be setup for success, would be the beginning of a potentially great journey if they come in with our squad mostly fit at the time.

Edited January 13, 2023 by Mhsc

[Special Juan 28,140]

I really do want us to stick with him but I'm sorry as each passing result goes by something is going to give here.

Simply put with the injuries and coupled with the players that have completely chucked it.

The transfers of previous seasons also have a lot to answer for as the purchases have been nothing short of pathetic.

 

 

[lucio 5,418]

6 minutes ago, Mhsc said:

It is possible that training has been persistently subpar or a LONG time, given that we played so many games - didn't we play the most or close to the most out of any team in the world in the last year or two? It is quite likely that a lot of stuff that our coaches have wanted to do over the last couple of years has been impossible due to this. No doubt also played a part in our injury crisis.

I am kind of hoping we have no European football next year whatsoever, maybe everyone will say I am crazy, but I remember in Conte's title winning year what a massive difference it made. 

I woke up with the opinion we may as well stick with Potter for now. Club should set a target finishing position with him and if he can't reach it with the lads we're buying in January and the ones we already have then sack him end of season. Feel like another manager right now will have the same problems and still struggle awfully and essentially not be setup or success, would be the beginning of a potentially great journey if they come in with our squad mostly fit at the time.

Just get a caretaker then , anything over potter 

[Vegetable 830]

The celebrity physio firm stuff stinks and is not scrutinized enough. Also, just after takeover it was announced the "best American staff experienced in sports will join". Is it those guys?

Anyway, yesterday we couldn't place a precise pass, it's not something PL players will forget how to do after not dribbling with cones for 3 months. They are just unable to anticipate what their collegues will do, despite fielding same players all the time. So we lack precise tactical Instructions or knowledge of them. 

Edited January 13, 2023 by Vegetable

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

5 hours ago, Tomo said:

There's literally a huge list of top class players who have joined clubs without UCL, including our very own Kante and Ronaldinho on three separate occasions. Infact we've already got one coming despite a likely UCL miss.

It's an urban myth players can't be attracted without UCL football, especially at the start when you can play the one off card.

I don’t think we will attract anybody who is top class though particularly with GP as manager. For instance with Kante, I think if we didn't have Conte as manager and had a lesser known/average coach in it would of been a different story. Plus again, we were the only ones willing to pay Leicesters asking price apparently. Arsenal toiled as they were interested. Maybe we will get some top players in but I am doubtful, more so than ever, just seems to be a real mess on and off the park. 

For example, its not like Enzo Fernandez is going to come here in the summer, is it? Yes there may be some good buy’s available perhaps but lets not pretend that there won’t be other big clubs in for players, particularly now for midfield players ie. City, Liverpool and Real Madrid and again, the hardest position to buy players, upfront. 

We’re probably gonna have to make some smart buys this summer because we will be out of the running for the top top players I’d think. Particularly if Newcastle manage to keep their performances up and finish in Europe their project will also be interesting and seen as a springboard for a lot of young/semi established players trying to make the next step also. It’ll certainly be interesting and whilst the clu had some pulling power whilst in the EL and with no European football under Roman, I think it will be different with Todd Boehly in all honesty. 

I would of thought Nkunku would of been signing here under the impression we’d be playing CL football. Thats my thoughts on it anyway.

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

46 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

If you think this is a reason to brag about, up to You mate. 

I understand you like Potter and will deny him being incompetent deer in headlights for dear life, that your right. The audacity to call any honoured manager's football "shitty" while we have Potter and probably we wouldn't do worse against Fulham and Forrest if players were just told to freestyle does it for me. 

Brag? Wtf u on bruv 

And second this isn't about me liking potter or disliking potter, this is actually more about you not like potter, my point is this club has to change, the change will be hard we will lose games, but the hiring and firing managers will not work anymore, the quick fix will not work against the solid teams man city Liverpool have made, Newcastle are well on their way so are man utd, and arsenal speaks for its self, the actual problem is we have jumped on this band wagon far to late, now it's our turn to build from the ground up every team around us has already done this and it shows in their play. But let's sack the manager in January transfer window, miss out on targets for a style of play the managers needs and on top of that pay him 60 million to leave! What a bright idea that is.

 

Edited January 13, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[Tomo 21,751]

4 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

I don’t think we will attract anybody who is top class though particularly with GP as manager. For instance with Kante, I think if we didn't have Conte as manager and had a lesser known/average coach in it would of been a different story. Plus again, we were the only ones willing to pay Leicesters asking price apparently. Arsenal toiled as they were interested. Maybe we will get some top players in but I am doubtful, more so than ever, just seems to be a real mess on and off the park. 

Even if that was true attracting a manager of that calibre while out of UCL further proves my point if anything.

5 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

 For example, its not like Enzo Fernandez is going to come here in the summer, is it?

Probably not, but that would still likely be the case even if we somehow recover UCL football for next season.

This month however we actually convinced him but things fell apart for other reasons.

7 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Yes there may be some good buy’s available perhaps but lets not pretend that there won’t be other big clubs in for players, particularly now for midfield players ie. City, Liverpool and Real Madrid and again, the hardest position to buy players, upfront. 

Yes, and as I alluded to above even with UCL football we will fine it incredibly hard to beat those teams to players. Haaland didn't look twice at us even after we won the thing.

8 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

I would of thought Nkunku would of been signing here under the impression we’d be playing CL football. Thats my thoughts on it anyway.

Romano has given it a here we go at a point our UCL football was in serious jeopardy.

[manpe 10,861]

I miss Tuchel. I don't think we would have done any worse with him. And with TT at least you knew what he was thinking on the touchline, but whenever they show Potter he looks so lost... Inspires no confidence at all.