Chelsea Transfers

[Vesper 30,079]

7 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Absolutely not worth 100m. But if we can somehow get that price down to between 60-75 I’d say he’s worth it. PL proven, only 22, homegrown, and a potential captain like personality. He could lock down a spot in our XI for a decade.

We’ve got to have a player or multiple players that are of interest to WH as a makeweight.

West Ham hold all the cards

they have zero incentive to come down to £60-65m, which is the most I value Rice at (£50m + £10-15m English tax)

[Clockwork 1,794]

46 minutes ago, Hashishi said:

John Obi Mikel. 

I have seen very little of Tchouameni, he does reminds me of Obi Mikel. His physical stature, how he shields the ball, and sprays passes is very Obi Mikel like. 

[Jase 43,479]

4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

West Ham hold all the cards

they have zero incentive to come down to £60-65m, which is the most I value Rice at (£50m + £10-15m English tax)

The funny thing is West Ham don't really have money and if they want money, they would have to sell players. Good for them if they keep Rice but can their current squad cope with the extra burden of Europa League next season? Don't they still need a striker since Lingard is gone and Antonio is injury prone?

[Superblue 6,372]

6 minutes ago, Jas said:

The funny thing is West Ham don't really have money and if they want money, they would have to sell players. Good for them if they keep Rice but can their current squad cope with the extra burden of Europa League next season? Don't they still need a striker since Lingard is gone and Antonio is injury prone?

You do wonder whether West Ham would be in a position to turn an offer down if we offered something like Zouma, Barkley and Abraham in exchange for Rice.

I know that is almost certainly never going to happen exchanging 4 players in one deal but they are three players who are capable of starting for West Ham, all still at a good age. It would strengthen their squad in my opinion even if they lost Rice as a result, but in our situation it would be moving on three disposable players for one that we want.

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

4 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

You do wonder whether West Ham would be in a position to turn an offer down if we offered something like Zouma, Barkley and Abraham in exchange for Rice.

I know that is almost certainly never going to happen exchanging 4 players in one deal but they are three players who are capable of starting for West Ham, all still at a good age. It would strengthen their squad in my opinion even if they lost Rice as a result, but in our situation it would be moving on three disposable players for one that we want.

We are getting property shafted with that deal. Obviously West Ham value Rice highly, but if we are comparing price to quality, we are essentially offering West Ham 80-85 million worth of players for someone who is 40 million tops. 

[Vesper 30,079]

17 minutes ago, Jas said:

The funny thing is West Ham don't really have money and if they want money, they would have to sell players. Good for them if they keep Rice but can their current squad cope with the extra burden of Europa League next season? Don't they still need a striker since Lingard is gone and Antonio is injury prone?

Gold and Sullivan want to sell, and a new owner will likely have a shedload of cash.

Yes, for sure they need a striker, but also need a CB and they deffo want Lingard, whom Manure want £30m for, but I think they will deffo accept less as he leaves on a free next summer.

Toss

Ings (or Tammy)

Lingard

Zouma

on that side (and keep Rice)

and they are in really good shape even depth wise, and Aouar is out there for only £18m or so

Edited July 29, 2021 by Vesper

[Jase 43,479]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/07/29/west-ham-target-chelseas-kurt-zouma-sealing-alphonse-areola/

According to the Telegraph, a move for Zouma could happen if West Ham can fork out around £25 million. 

[Jase 43,479]

5 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

We are getting property shafted with that deal. Obviously West Ham value Rice highly, but if we are comparing price to quality, we are essentially offering West Ham 80-85 million worth of players for someone who is 40 million tops. 

True and it's unlikely to happen but when you factor in the wages that we would be shedding by swapping those 3 players away (Barkley is earning close to 100k p/w, IIRC?), then it's maybe worth it from a financial POV. 

[Superblue 6,372]

10 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

We are getting property shafted with that deal. Obviously West Ham value Rice highly, but if we are comparing price to quality, we are essentially offering West Ham 80-85 million worth of players for someone who is 40 million tops. 

Whilst I somewhat agree, these are three players who are obviously dispensable and so far we haven't received offers acceptable to us.

Getting a player that we want in exchange for three players that we're trying to rid of and probably save a few million a year in wages isn't the worst business.

Having said that Zouma and Barkley will have extremely low amortisation values now and Tammy's would be nil so purely from an accounting perspective we'd be better off selling all three if we could and putting a bid in for Rice. Same with selling Zouma for the right price rather than include in a player exchange.

[Jase 43,479]

11 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Having said that Zouma and Barkley will have extremely low amortisation values now and Tammy's would be nil so purely from an accounting perspective we'd be better off selling all three if we could and putting a bid in for Rice. Same with selling Zouma for the right price rather than include in a player exchange.

If we aren't including Zouma into a deal, then selling him shouldn't be a problem, I think. He's on low wages and isn't too expensive. But with the other two...

Abraham's wages isn't high but is valued at £40 million while am not sure about Barkley's current value (maybe £20m-£30m?) but he's earning close to £100k wages p/w. We're gonna need some parties to bite the bullet here if we want to attract buyers for the both of them. 

[Styl1994 188]

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

Rice. 

Rice won’t happen West Ham won’t drop there crazy value for him until next summer. 

[Superblue 6,372]

32 minutes ago, Jas said:

If we aren't including Zouma into a deal, then selling him shouldn't be a problem, I think. He's on low wages and isn't too expensive. But with the other two...

Abraham's wages isn't high but is valued at £40 million while am not sure about Barkley's current value (maybe £20m-£30m?) but he's earning close to £100k wages p/w. We're gonna need some parties to bite the bullet here if we want to attract buyers for the both of them. 

Yeah I've no doubts we've probably been taken aback a little by how much of a struggle it currently is to move players on.

Players like Zouma, Tammy and Barkley you'd assume would be amongst the more desirable and easier to sell players, especially when you see some of the other players we still have.

I do think in the end though we'll manage to move most, if not all, that we want to. Whilst teams that want to keep hold of players will likely become even more reluctant to sell later into the window, buying clubs will usually become more desperate which actually works in our favour for players we're willing to sell for the right money. 

[King Kante 1,643]

1 hour ago, Jas said:

If we aren't including Zouma into a deal, then selling him shouldn't be a problem, I think. He's on low wages and isn't too expensive. But with the other two...

Abraham's wages isn't high but is valued at £40 million while am not sure about Barkley's current value (maybe £20m-£30m?) but he's earning close to £100k wages p/w. We're gonna need some parties to bite the bullet here if we want to attract buyers for the both of them. 

Tammy at £35m-£40m is a fair price when you consider English tax, his goal record and age. Watkins last season went for £35m and hadn't kicked a ball in the Premier League, White has gone for £50m etc. Tbh, I reckon he may be slightly different to the others as he may be seen as a player that potentially stays if we cannot get a CF. I expect him to leave late. 

Barkley for me isn't rasing £20m+. He is a poor player on high wages. English tax may save him but anything over £15m I would be amazed at. Loan is much more likely imo.

As for Zouma, plenty of teams will take him, he is probably dependent on Kounde. However, I rate him as £30m+ as he'll be a top player for pretty much any PL team outside of the top 6.

What happens with: 

Baba, Zappa, Drinky, Baka, RLC, Emerson, Batsh*t et el, is anyones guess. Loans is my guess but with us probably having to eat some of their wages. 

Edited July 29, 2021 by King Kante

[NikkiCFC 8,285]

Weird that no one wants to pay fucking 15m for a player who just played EURO semi final and final. 

[King Kante 1,643]

13 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Weird that no one wants to pay fucking 15m for a player who just played EURO semi final and final. 

They know we have 8 WB's - Zappa, Baba, Sterling, Livra, Alonso, Emerson, James and Alonso - so are desperate to shift a number. Why pay if you can wait you can get him on loan? 

[Hashishi 148]

49 minutes ago, King Kante said:

They know we have 8 WB's - Zappa, Baba, Sterling, Livra, Alonso, Emerson, James and Alonso - so are desperate to shift a number. Why pay if you can wait you can get him on loan? 

You listed Alonso twice, I think one of them is meant to be Chilwell. 

[Special Juan 28,088]

Don't worry about Kounde, it's getting sorted.

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

Weird that no one wants to pay fucking 15m for a player who just played EURO semi final and final. 

So much for his value going up. 🤪