Chelsea Transfers

[Strike 7,762]

3 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

I just think it was pretty poor squad planning to let 200+ games of experience walk out the door for minimal transfer fees and then put 200+ million into 2 talented but very young midfielders without any experience around them. 

I feel bad for both Caicedo and Enzo as they'll never live up to the price tags that were paid for them.   When you spend 100+ million on a mid, you're expecting goals or assists or something special every single game (like a Hazard or Bellingham or even at a stretch a motivated Pogba). 

It wasn't minimal transfer fees though. We were lucky to get 150 m for Havertz (65), Mount (55m when contract was running out), Koulibaly (17m) , Mendy (16m)

If you add in Kovacic, CHO, Pulisic and RLC, the club raised 200m in sales. 

[whats happening 1,661]

love how we gave up on disasi after 6 months 🙄

[MoroccanBlue 5,399]

10 minutes ago, whats happening said:

love how we gave up on disasi after 6 months 🙄

He isn't it. 

I remember someone warned us about his average defending and lack of pace. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,399]

3 hours ago, TheHulk said:

 

Haha another LCB

[whats happening 1,661]

8 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

He isn't it. 

I remember someone warned us about his average defending and lack of pace. 

we dont know if he's it or isnt.

love how we never learn from our mistakes, or others mistakes.

 

later when he owns in another team we will wonder how did that happen and how our board is clueless.

[DDA 10,205]

Have to say.. I really like the look of Antonio Silva... he looks like a proper good old fashioned CB who gets the job done. None of this ball progressing shite who can't defend to save their Iives.

[MoroccanBlue 5,399]

1 hour ago, whats happening said:

we dont know if he's it or isnt.

love how we never learn from our mistakes, or others mistakes.

 

later when he owns in another team we will wonder how did that happen and how our board is clueless.

We've been saying this with every player we sold and we've never regretted it. 

Good squad player but not someone I'd want starting week in week out. 

[lucio 5,418]

Antonio silva Colwill CB pairing. Sell disasi. 

[Vytis33 1,376]

1 hour ago, whats happening said:

love how we gave up on disasi after 6 months 🙄

I have no problem with Disasi in the club.  Plays a variety of positions and at least has some heart it would appear.  We've spent 3x the money on other players who surely aren't giving us 3x the performances. 

[ulvhedin 526]

1 hour ago, DDA said:

Have to say.. I really like the look of Antonio Silva... he looks like a proper good old fashioned CB who gets the job done. None of this ball progressing shite who can't defend to save their Iives.

Considering we have so much problem with playing from the back with Colwill, Silva/Badi/Disasi then ball progressing CB is really needed.

[JFKvsNixon 61]

7 minutes ago, ulvhedin said:

Considering we have so much problem with playing from the back with Colwill, Silva/Badi/Disasi then ball progressing CB is really needed.

I can't help wonder if the lack of team coherence, when I comes to playing out from the back or even breaking down low block defences, has more to do with the quality of coaching rather than quality of players. 

We're very quick to write off the players, but problem could be the instructions that they're getting. A good manager makes the team greater than the sum of it's parts.

[DDA 10,205]

28 minutes ago, ulvhedin said:

Considering we have so much problem with playing from the back with Colwill, Silva/Badi/Disasi then ball progressing CB is really needed.

Although that is true we also need defenders who can defend and put their full blooded heart into every defensive action they make. We need leaders . This Silva looks like one.

[ulvhedin 526]

2 minutes ago, DDA said:

Although that is true we also need defenders who can defend and put their full blooded heart into every defensive action they make. We need leaders . This Silva looks like one.

Obviously it's true - currently we have defenders who can't play from the back and can't defend.

[Strike 7,762]

 

 

[DDA 10,205]

25 minutes ago, ulvhedin said:

Obviously it's true - currently we have defenders who can't play from the back and can't defend.

Obviously that is not true. Badiashille and Colwill can both play out from the back. T.Silva also.

[lucio 5,418]

8 minutes ago, Strike said:

 

 

Send him to a decent championship team that actually needs a new midfielder 

[Strike 7,762]

 

 

[LAM09 7,085]

8 hours ago, TheHulk said:

 

It's hard to take anything at face value where Twitter is concerned. However, if there's an ounce of truth in this, I'd have the slightest bit of faith in those starting to make the right additions.

[Vesper 31,046]

12 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

I feel bad for both Caicedo and Enzo as they'll never live up to the price tags that were paid for them.

we do not, if we are being 100% honest, know this yet at all

[OneMoSalah 9,090]

15 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

I just think it was pretty poor squad planning to let 200+ games of experience walk out the door for minimal transfer fees and then put 200+ million into 2 talented but very young midfielders without any experience around them. 

I feel bad for both Caicedo and Enzo as they'll never live up to the price tags that were paid for them.   When you spend 100+ million on a mid, you're expecting goals or assists or something special every single game (like a Hazard or Bellingham or even at a stretch a motivated Pogba). 

Exactly.

But at this time last January, umpteen folk on here - some folk had wanted to sell Kante for years as he was “done” despite miraculously being 100% fit since leaving here (shock horror), some who didn’t think Jorginho and Kovacic had anything else to offer at all - were all sitting there thinking it was too good to not do what we started then.

Then to quote many on here this summer “Enzo, Lavia and Caicedo would be amongst the best MF 3 in the PL/Europe”. Now they’ve changed their tune and there is a lot of “we need to sign an experienced midfielder”? We had 3 of them that would of all done more than sufficient…. Poor planning from the board if we do go and recruit an experienced midfielder for a huge fee. 

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

we do not, if we are being 100% honest, know this yet at all

When you look at any player irrespective of their position, for fees of £105m and £115m - you are 90% of the time expecting goals and assist contributions and we all know this isn’t any of the reasons why we signed either of them. Or for them to be the very best in their positions. They may become very good players but it is very rare midfielders are ever going to be worth £100m+ particularly in this modern day and age.

The likes of Zidane, Modric, de Bruyne, Iniesta, Busquets, Gerrard, Lampard, Kroos, Scholes, Xavi, Xabi Alonso, Pirlo etc are amongst the very very elite midfielders who would be worth £100m + now from a period of the past 10-20 years. But these were/are the very best of the very best. Caicedo and Fernandez have literally 150 games between them and honestly I am not particularly impressed with the pair of them at all this season.

If I am honest, I do find it incredibly likely that they will never be worth the £225m we paid between them. But it’s hard to justify how they will ever be worth that based on what we have seen. They don’t score goals or get assists regularly, they don’t create a lot of chances, they don’t particularly function well as a pairing. Doing well in Portugal for Benfica and for Brighton who did excellent last season is one thing but to do what will be expected of them, for that price tag, year in year out, it will be tough for most players. Has been the same for Mudryk, as it was the same for Havertz. Was likely the same for Torres at the time in 2011 too. 

Price tags unfortunately dictate the expectations of players from clubs, managers and fans irrespective of if we want it to or not. Simple as that. You simply don’t drop £100m + on a player if you don’t expect them to do well from the off. Why would you?

Edited January 4, 2024 by OneMoSalah