Special Juan 28,187 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, lluubbeenn said: Real Madrid wanting him and Havertz being poor makes no sense. He is 24, German, and has a cl winning goal to his name. In La liga he will be a lot stronger physically. They can pay up or f*ck off, same for united with Mount. Both players can prove useful to Poch. And this BS he doesn't want to be here. What will he do? Stop playing and destroy his career? If the team wins, magically all players playing are extremely happy - that is life. Anyone here happy at his job every day?? He's not in La Liga though is he? Bloke scored 7 goals all season, granted a poor season for the club but if he is as high on the shelf as you claim a good player shines a lot of the time, he hasn't glistened, he's been garbage. Since we signed him he hasn't even improved from his Leverkusen days, he's actually gone backwards because we simply do not see him gliding past players and playing wonderful through balls, his finishing is shite but that wasn't the case in Germany. Lazy unmotivated fucker. bigbluewillie, OneMoSalah and dimmas 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,301 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Artandur said: Wouldn't exactly call him scraps, he got 16 G+A from LB and Dortmund wanted to keep him, but his contract ran out he is extremely suspect defensively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,823 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Maddison has the English tax. Havertz does not. We really are in a poor position for selling players and getting top money for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duppy Conqueror 1,557 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Seeing reports we may keep hold of Mount even if he doesn't extend..might be worth lodging a bid for Rice if thats the case. ¹ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,342 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, Duppy Conqueror said: Seeing reports we may keep hold of Mount even if he doesn't extend..might be worth lodging a bid for Rice if thats the case. ¹ where you read that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,889 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Cosmin said: Leicester are asking for at least 50m to sell Maddison. We would be more than stupid to sell Havertz for anything less than 80m. However, it's worth mentioning that we've put ourselves in a very poor position, because clubs know that we are forced to sell on the cheap due to the stupid strategy from last summer and winter. 80m 🤣? Who the fucks paying that for him? Pretty sure he has 2 year left on his deal also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duppy Conqueror 1,557 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, Mário César said: where you read that? Simon Phillips twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,342 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 I want some good news ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,372 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 46 minutes ago, Mário César said: I want some good news ffs There you go. Fernando and DH1988 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Special Juan said: I think if it's true and RM are offering 50M that probably a true and fair valuation, he's poor. I'd still stand by my point that if our poor and terrible players are wanted by Real Madrid, PSG, Bayern, City or whoever else and suddenly are more than solid there, it means that problem is something else than players themselves. Fact that every promising or basically good player (cheers, KK) suddenly goes full dogshit here only adds to it. I hope this window won't be a third in a row round of replacing every position with more of the same, only way more expensive. We can as well hold to Mount and Havertz and see what Poch can do with them instead of giving them away for 1/3 of their worth and freaking finally get the satellite club together to actually develop the 68826 "young and hungry" players we amassed in two previous windows instead of tossing them at top PL football and expect miracles from random youngsters team with no leader, captain or Chelsea identity whatsoever. Edited June 8, 2023 by Vegetable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: There you go. Dunno, fact that Saudis are half-successfully trying to buy entire world's football, including officials, during one window is more than worrying, even if they will take Lukaku off our hands in the process… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,365 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 22 minutes ago, Vegetable said: and suddenly are more than solid there, it means that problem is something else than players themselves. Yes. Buying a club and spending 600m on players yet immediately removing backroom staff, trainers, all the backroom faces that made us great is fundamental in our demise. I am afraid even getting the Foo Fighters physio in as a replacement can't save the day. Hopefully lessons have been learned and the Ted Lasso days are over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,994 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 The club were obviously trying hard to get Ugarte in early and were in the verge of doing so, so it’s strange that following that failure we haven’t immediately advanced on others in the week since. Not even a peep about us bidding for or negotiating with any clubs about midfielders. Just a vague “Chelsea really like Caicedo.” Yeah, us and about 5 other clubs. What are we actually doing about it? And still not the faintest hint about wtf we’re going to do about a striker. There have been ZERO tangible links to strikers for the one club in world football who desperately needs one more than any other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,299 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 17 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said: Yes. Buying a club and spending 600m on players yet immediately removing backroom staff, trainers, all the backroom faces that made us great is fundamental in our demise. I am afraid even getting the Foo Fighters physio in as a replacement can't save the day. Hopefully lessons have been learned and the Ted Lasso days are over. Let's not start pretending this club wasnt a mess before Todd (not saying your saying that), the issues at this club have been here a long time, and the player power at this club has been shambolic of the highest order, doesn't surprise me one bit that the new owners would just Rip the entire setup up, and start again. bohops 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said: Let's not start pretending this club wasnt a mess before Todd (not saying your saying that), the issues at this club have been here a long time, and the player power at this club has been shambolic of the highest order, doesn't surprise me one bit that the new owners would just Rip the entire setup up, and start again. It was a mess, due to accumulated consequences of stopgap solutions, scattered decision making body and Marina's mistakes. However the "player power" that had become somewhat a buzzword this season is something that doesn't sit well with me personally. I'd say it's collective apathy, yes, lack of leadership, yes, but player power? During Roman's reign the only power I can imagine is Roman power. I'm sure he'd never allow a lot of things that happened after the takeover, starting with Lukaku circus. After the famous interview he'd send his ass off to trim the Cobham pitch or to assist with his satellite U-17 8th division team in deep Siberia, if he wasn't exiled from his position (and country). And now Lukaku says he "closed his Chelsea chapter" wtf. I can't really remember any particular player holding the team hostage in contract negotiations publicly. We were way away from the player power that exists in PSG, Real or Barca. Had the team banded together to sack Lampard or Potter, they only done it for the greater good, but it shows they have Roman's winning mentality in sight more than their comfort. What I was particularly amused with, we seemed to recruit players with reasonable character/mentality/intelligence until some point. I see a lot of issues to be erased from this team way before "player power" honestly. Yeah, we were terrible eyesore this season and gave pathetic performance, but I doubt it was any malicious agenda from the players. Leicester went down this year and I doubt it was because players not giving a toss anymore… Edited June 8, 2023 by Vegetable Fulham Broadway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,365 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 34 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said: Let's not start pretending this club wasnt a mess before Todd (not saying your saying that), the issues at this club have been here a long time, and the player power at this club has been shambolic of the highest order, doesn't surprise me one bit that the new owners would just Rip the entire setup up, and start again. Ripping up and starting again is fine, but with little plan apart from buying players is highly questionable. Abramovich spent 200 million pounds in the transfer window before the 2020-21 campaign and then Lampard was sacked in January when we were team languishing in ninth. After Tuchel took over, we edged out a top four finish and won our second Champions League title in May two years ago. Tuchel's first full season included UEFA Super Cup and Club World Cup success. So many obvious mistakes such as re employing Frank. Ok throwing some slack, lets see what next term brings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,365 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Nothing wrong with player power passe - think Terry, Lampard Ballack, Drogba -it just has to be the right type of player power -something we are actually severely lacking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,299 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 49 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said: Nothing wrong with player power passe - think Terry, Lampard Ballack, Drogba -it just has to be the right type of player power -something we are actually severely lacking Our player power always seems to be negative, does more harm than good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,342 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 emilano departure I think that was a mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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