Chelsea Transfers

[Vesper 29,407]

bye bye Giroud very very soon

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[Tomo 21,741]

  On 25/01/2020 at 00:37, OneMoSalah said:

If Frank and the board keep coming out with this naive 'it has to be the right player' shite for the remainder of the window when guys like Edinson Cavani has handed in a transfer request - a top player in a position we are crying out for hugely just now - then I don't know. I mean who or what are the board looking at/doing? If they can miraculously decide they want to go after Giroud for Conte then surely when somebody of Cavani's ilk puts in a transfer request they take notice? Surely? 

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Wages. By the sounds of it Cavani is getting a two and a half year deal worth €14m a year. Would be absolutely mental to offer that to a 33 year old. If he flops we will fuck up our wage structure every bit as badly as United have with Alexis.

  On 25/01/2020 at 00:37, OneMoSalah said:

Even Eriksen is going to Inter, for 17m, I mean who at the club hasnt thought you know what he might do a job for us and for 17m... why not? 

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Eriksen is exactly the type of player we should be avoiding at all costs. He is past his sell by date and unmotivated.

He has Alexis at United MK2 written all over him.

[OneMoSalah 8,832]

  On 25/01/2020 at 01:05, Tomo said:

Wages. By the sounds of it Cavani is getting a two and a half year deal worth €14m a year. Would be absolutely mental to offer that to a 33 year old. If he flops we will fuck up our wage structure every bit as badly as United have with Alexis.

Eriksen is exactly the type of player we should be avoiding at all costs. He is past his sell by date and unmotivated.

He has Alexis at United MK2 written all over him.

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Maybe wages but again if we are going to haggle with Willian over a new contract before caving and probably handing him 200k a week then offering Cavani slightly more is hardly anything out of the ordinary. Especially considering the fact weve thrown 100k a week at guys like Drinkwater, 180k a week to Hudson Odoi, god knows how much of Falcao and Pato's wages we were paying etc etc. He would be worth the risk I think because 1 we are urgent for better CF options to reduce the load/rotate Tammy out at times and 2 the other options dont seem realistic in January. I do think he will be a hit for Atletico if he goes there, he doesnt strike me as somebody who is finished, where as Costa really suffered after that 6 month spell of not playing and basically has wound up finished earlier than he should of been as well as that Croatian bloke they had for a season who was pathetic, he was probably finished before he had even kicked a ball for Atletico.

Have to disagree with Eriksen, hes in his prime age and while he hasnt started for Spurs with Mourinho his quality on the ball is still evident. He has come on and had a hand in a few goals with either key passes or assists in these games and he is definitely more creative than Willian, Barkley and Mason combined. Again for 17m, he would of hardly been a huge risk. Even if he didnt set the world alight completely. I mean we paid 15m for Barkley and people said it was a good move because it was a low price and he had untapped potential so 17m for a player who was arguably one of the top 5 number 10s in the PL over the last 3 years, a huge upgrade on everything we have, baffles me why we werent even in the running. Even more so United who were chasing the inferior player in Bruno Fernandes at about 4 times the price....

[Vesper 29,407]

  On 25/01/2020 at 00:52, OneMoSalah said:

Again, exactly. I am not utterly convinced Telles is the best LB out there but he is far better than what we have. 

I am still baffled regarding Eriksen and will.continue to be so. Not even just us, Man United not going for him either,  it is as if the clubs dont want to improve.... 

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my pure rate list, in order of all LB's in the top 20 (regardless of whether I want them or they are doable ro where are being played at at present or if they are healthy atm)

1 Andrew Robertson

2 David Alaba

3 Lucas Hernández

4 José Gayà

5 Alphonso Davies

6 Alex Sandro

7  Alex Telles

8 Theo Hernández

9 Ben Chillwell

10 Alejandro Grimaldo

11 Robin Gosens

12 Jordi Alba (ageing)

13 Ferland Mendy

14 Junior Firpo

15 Lucas Digne

16 Marcel Halstenberg

17 Renan Lodi

18 Luca Pellegrini

19 Sergio Reguilón

20 Nicolás Tagliafico

 

[OneMoSalah 8,832]

  On 25/01/2020 at 01:22, Vesper said:

my pure rate list, in order of all LB's in the top 20 (regardless of whether I want them or they are doable ro where are being played at at present or if they are healthy atm)

1 Andrew Robertson

2 David Alaba

3 Lucas Hernández

4 José Gayà

5 Alphonso Davies

6 Alex Sandro

7  Alex Telles

8 Theo Hernández

9 Ben Chillwell

10 Alejandro Grimaldo

11 Robin Gosens

12 Jordi Alba (ageing)

13 Ferland Mendy

14 Junior Firpo

15 Lucas Digne

16 Marcel Halstenberg

17 Renan Lodi

18 Luca Pellegrini

19 Sergio Reguilón

20 Nicolás Tagliafico

 

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Even somebody like Tagliafico would be easily attainable in my eyes. Maybe more short term but again, 2 or 3 seasons out of him, better than what we have... its almost as if the club see it as Chillwell or bust.

[Tomo 21,741]

  On 25/01/2020 at 01:15, OneMoSalah said:

 Have to disagree with Eriksen, hes in his prime age and while he hasnt started for Spurs with Mourinho his quality on the ball is still evident. He has come on and had a hand in a few goals with either key passes or assists in these games and he is definitely more creative than Willian, Barkley and Mason combined. Again for 17m, he would of hardly been a huge risk. Even if he didnt set the world alight completely. I mean we paid 15m for Barkley and people said it was a good move because it was a low price and he had untapped potential so 17m for a player who was arguably one of the top 5 number 10s in the PL over the last 3 years, a huge upgrade on everything we have, baffles me why we werent even in the running. Even more so United who were chasing the inferior player in Bruno Fernandes at about 4 times the price....

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Even if he's still producing alright numbers doesn't nessesereiley mean he hasn't declined. In 12/13 Lampard and Rooney put in solid numbers but it was clear to anyone who watched them they were well past it.

  On 25/01/2020 at 01:15, OneMoSalah said:

Maybe wages but again if we are going to haggle with Willian over a new contract before caving and probably handing him 200k a week then offering Cavani slightly more is hardly anything out of the ordinary. Especially considering the fact weve thrown 100k a week at guys like Drinkwater, 180k a week to Hudson Odoi, god knows how much of Falcao and Pato's wages we were paying etc etc. He would be worth the risk I think because 1 we are urgent for better CF options to reduce the load/rotate Tammy out at times and 2 the other options dont seem realistic in January. I do think he will be a hit for Atletico if he goes there, he doesnt strike me as somebody who is finished, where as Costa really suffered after that 6 month spell of not playing and basically has wound up finished earlier than he should of been as well as that Croatian bloke they had for a season who was pathetic, he was probably finished before he had even kicked a ball for Atletico.

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If I'm correct 14m a year is about 350k a week, that's just too far ahead of our highest paid player for the risk we're taking. If he doesn't recover from his recent injury's we'd be left with a crap player inflating our wage bill and negotiations with not only new players but contract extensions to current ones will be an absolute nightmare (for example imagine the leverage Tammy will then have if he outperforms him).

As utterly outrageous as Drinkwaters wage is, it's not removed from our overall structure.

I was happy to take a 6 month loan for Cavani with the wages subsidised, however the money needed to have outmuscle Atletico's offer is simply too much.

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[OneMoSalah 8,832]

  On 25/01/2020 at 01:45, Tomo said:

Even if he's still producing alright numbers doesn't nessesereiley mean he hasn't declined. In 12/13 Lampard and Rooney put in solid numbers but it was clear to anyone who watched them they were well past it.

If I'm correct 14m a year is about 350k a week, that's just too far ahead of our highest paid player for the risk we're taking. If he doesn't recover from his recent injury's we'd be left with a crap player inflating our wage bill and negotiations with not only new players but contract extensions to current ones will be an absolute nightmare (for example imagine the leverage Tammy will then have if he outperforms him).

As utterly outrageous as Drinkwaters wage is, it's not removed from our overall structure.

I was happy to take a 6 month loan for Cavani with the wages subsidised, however the money needed to have outmuscle Atletico's offer is simply too much.

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His contract runs out in 6 months so wouldnt of ever been a realistic option unfortunately..or it would have been too much like common sense even for us to mess it up. 

I do think he could be persuaded to take a wage cut of sorts but we would have to make other circumstances change (bonuses, signing fees etc). The wages on offer in Spain are undoubtedly higher due to their taxes. Pretty sure the likes of Messi and Bale are near bang on 50% tax. Not sure if its much less in PL but if it was to be maybe that or a bigger bonus/fee for signing would make him lower his demand. I do think its probably too late in the day anyway for us to sign anybody of that sort of name. 

Think the change of scenery would do Eriksen the world of good, regardless of if it is here, Inter or wherever but I do feel Frank could have maybe edged him into a player who as well as gets plenty of assists, scores more.

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

The board and Frank know who they want, they'll have a list of a few.  Hence the quote ""I think it's about trying to get the choice right of the player that we can bring in considering what's available."

 

 

[Jase 43,479]

  On 25/01/2020 at 00:37, OneMoSalah said:

Even Eriksen is going to Inter, for 17m, I mean who at the club hasnt thought you know what he might do a job for us and for 17m... why not? Surely Frank and Jody isnt thinking Mason and Ross are better options than Christian Eriksen? 17m is hardly breaking the bank and even then at 20 or 30m he is a top quality player and his final pass is better than anything we have in the squad at the moment.

Eriksen and a new CF as well as shipping Ross out who Frank clearly doesnt fancy (was linked with West Ham) would of been a great window imo.

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I'm assuming he doesn't want to join another English club. Hence why we haven't been linked with him at all. Heck, United were strongly linked with him previously but even that has gone completely gold as Inter try to get him. 

[Jase 43,479]

  On 25/01/2020 at 01:05, Tomo said:

He has Alexis at United MK2 written all over him.

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Do you have something against Sanchez? Why do you seem to dislike him so much?

I think the Eriksen's situation is different from Sanchez's. Eriksen is only 27 and is in his peak years and while it's not a good look on him, I believe his lack of motivation is due to the fact that he doesn't want to be at Spurs. With Sanchez, I think it's a case of his body just gave up on him after his endless exertions with club and country over the years. Over the last decade or so, I think he had less than 3 summer breaks. Otherwise, he played a lot for Barcelona and Arsenal and god knows how many tournaments with Chile. If anything, it's a surprise that he didn't break down sooner, especially when you consider his playing style on top of the lack of proper rest. 

[NikkiCFC 8,121]

  On 25/01/2020 at 01:05, Tomo said:

Eriksen is exactly the type of player we should be avoiding at all costs. He is past his sell by date and unmotivated.

He has Alexis at United MK2 written all over him.

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I don't understand why are you saying that Eriksen and James Rodriguez are finished players? Comparing them to the fat Rooney and 35 years old Lampard? 

[Styl1994 188]

  On 24/01/2020 at 21:29, Jason said:

You know things are getting desperate when United are reportedly going after Slimani...

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Chelsea since 2015 70% of our business has been terrible

Cuadrado - Miss 
Begovic - not hit or miss 

Baba Miss 

Pedro Hit 

Kenedy - not hit or miss 

Falcao - Miss 

Pato - Miss 

Pappy- hit but because of Profit  

Hector hit because of Profit 

Kante - Hit 

Batshuayi - Miss 

Alonso - not hit or miss two good seasons two bad ones 

Luiz - hit because of that one fantastic season  

Caballero - Hit

Ruidger - Hit 

Bakayoko - Miss 

Morata - Miss  

Zappercosta - Miss 

Drinkwater - Miss 

Barkley - not hit or miss 

Emerson - not hit or miss 

Giroud - Hit 

Jorginho - Hit 

Kovacic - Hit 

Arrizabalaga - Not hit or miss but right now looking more like a miss 

Pulisic - Not hit or miss very early but looking like a hit 

That 2017-18 summer window has done a lot of damage long term in terms of squad building 

 

 

 

 

 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

  On 25/01/2020 at 11:11, Styl1994 said:

Chelsea since 2015 70% of our business has been terrible

Cuadrado - Miss 
Begovic - not hit or miss 

Baba Miss 

Pedro Hit 

Kenedy - not hit or miss 

Falcao - Miss 

Pato - Miss 

Pappy- hit but because of Profit  

Hector hit because of Profit 

Kante - Hit 

Batshuayi - Miss 

Alonso - not hit or miss two good seasons two bad ones 

Luiz - hit because of that one fantastic season  

Caballero - Hit

Ruidger - Hit 

Bakayoko - Miss 

Morata - Miss  

Zappercosta - Miss 

Drinkwater - Miss 

Barkley - not hit or miss 

Emerson - not hit or miss 

Giroud - Hit 

Jorginho - Hit 

Kovacic - Hit 

Arrizabalaga - Not hit or miss but right now looking more like a miss 

Pulisic - Not hit or miss very early but looking like a hit 

That 2017-18 summer window has done a lot of damage long term in terms of squad building 

 

 

 

 

 

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That's what happened when we were after quantity rather than quality.

[NikkiCFC 8,121]

  On 25/01/2020 at 11:11, Styl1994 said:

Chelsea since 2015 70% of our business has been terrible

Cuadrado - Miss 
Begovic - not hit or miss 

Baba Miss 

Pedro Hit 

Kenedy - not hit or miss 

Falcao - Miss 

Pato - Miss 

Pappy- hit but because of Profit  

Hector hit because of Profit 

Kante - Hit 

Batshuayi - Miss 

Alonso - not hit or miss two good seasons two bad ones 

Luiz - hit because of that one fantastic season  

Caballero - Hit

Ruidger - Hit 

Bakayoko - Miss 

Morata - Miss  

Zappercosta - Miss 

Drinkwater - Miss 

Barkley - not hit or miss 

Emerson - not hit or miss 

Giroud - Hit 

Jorginho - Hit 

Kovacic - Hit 

Arrizabalaga - Not hit or miss but right now looking more like a miss 

Pulisic - Not hit or miss very early but looking like a hit 

That 2017-18 summer window has done a lot of damage long term in terms of squad building 

 

 

 

 

 

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So you are saying since Emenalo left the club not single miss? 

[Tomo 21,741]

  On 25/01/2020 at 08:02, Jason said:

Do you have something against Sanchez? Why do you seem to dislike him so much?

I think the Eriksen's situation is different from Sanchez's. Eriksen is only 27 and is in his peak years and while it's not a good look on him, I believe his lack of motivation is due to the fact that he doesn't want to be at Spurs. With Sanchez, I think it's a case of his body just gave up on him after his endless exertions with club and country over the years. Over the last decade or so, I think he had less than 3 summer breaks. Otherwise, he played a lot for Barcelona and Arsenal and god knows how many tournaments with Chile. If anything, it's a surprise that he didn't break down sooner, especially when you consider his playing style on top of the lack of proper rest. 

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Its only because he's most recent the go to example of a formerly top class player turning to complete shit, before that Torres was the one mentioned.

Either way it will be a risk (all be it a relitevely cheap one) to say his performances are because he wants to leave Spurs, and furthermore even if it's as straightforward as that do we really want that type of player setting an example to our young guys? Hazard badly wanted to leave last season but instead of sulking gave us his best season yet, even Hudson Odoi (who a fair portion of the fanbase has already marked down as a bad attitude diva) still have his all during the period he by all accounts badly wanted to go.

[Tomo 21,741]

  On 25/01/2020 at 09:59, NikkiCFC said:

I don't understand why are you saying that Eriksen and James Rodriguez are finished players? Comparing them to the fat Rooney and 35 years old Lampard? 

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It was the more the point of emphasising that players can still look good statically but still be on the way down more than a direct comparison.

If we end up getting Eriksen (which we won't) I hope I'm wrong but I can't remember many top performances from him really since that nightmare game Spurs ended their Stamford Bridge hoodoo.

[Tomo 21,741]

Probably fake but

[MoroccanBlue 5,322]

  On 25/01/2020 at 16:20, Tomo said:

Probably fake but

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Sancho?