LAM09 7,085 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, Gundalf said: You guys are really bad at poker arent you? Again u are falling for PR stunts. U did in on Mount and now again. Ofc "Brighton sources" (lol) push the message of "give us 100 or leave" - they know we want Caicedo for our US tour so they are putting the pressure up, just like United did. Keep calm and dont fall for that. I called it for Mount and I will do it again: in the end it will be 85+x for Caicedo. That figure isn't good value either. £85m and not a penny more is pushing it as is. Also, I don't wanna hear about Rice as a comparison. mkh and bigbluewillie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea_4_eva 1,186 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 For me Ceicedo is worth £80M max including add ons. More than that would be too much for me. mkh and Norfolkblue1961 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) Make it 60 and we are back in realm of reality, expensive, but reality. Some lessons should be learnt from our previous genius Brighton purchases… How much we wanted for Mount vs how much United offered vs how much he is gone for? Edited July 10, 2023 by Vegetable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mhsc 1,139 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 80 is legit an insane price for Caicedo, 100 is just pure stupidity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundalf 806 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Vegetable said: Make it 60 and we are back in realm of reality, expensive, but reality. Some lessons should be learnt from our previous genius Brighton purchases… LOL crappy Havertz costs 65 after sucking for 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 19,250 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, whats happening said: my guess is as the time goes on, they will lower the price but i am not sure if we can wait until the last weeks of august. also, if we dont pay the asking price now and after 6 months or a year he leaves for 60-70m and be good, it will really sting. and i will hate brighton even more. We absolutely can’t wait. All of our rivals have their sets more or less settled already bar one or two deals. We still need 3-4 players in to be competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Gundalf said: LOL crappy Havertz costs 65 after sucking for 3 years. One man's trash is other man's treasure, we love seeing our players as unfit for even the sunday league level, but I don't think Rice is like million levels above Mount or Havertz, not to mention anyone coming from Brighton… This reminds me of everyone going apeshit over Raphinia a little bit. Some clubs will let themselves be pushed over, some will not. I can see De Laurentis selling Mount for 80 and getting Caicedo for 50 🤪 Edited July 10, 2023 by Vegetable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundalf 806 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Vegetable said: One man's trash is other man's treasure, we love seeing our players as unfit for even the sunday league level, but I don't think Rice is like million levels above Mount or Havertz, not to mention anyone coming from Brighton… This reminds me of Raphinia apeshit a little bit. Some clubs will let themselves be pushed over, some will not. I can see De Laurentis selling Mount for 80 and getting Caicedo for 50 🤪 Well, ofc we could buy some unknown younger midfielders with potential for a lot cheaper prize, but some people here would then complain about all these youngsters being bought lol. mkh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Gundalf said: Well, ofc we could buy some unknown younger midfielders with potential for a lot cheaper prize, but some people here would then complain about all these youngsters being bought lol. I don't have a problem with the target, but with the way business is being conducted - they want 100? Offer 85 and let everyone know you desperately need this player by friday and have absolutely zero alternative and it will end on 95 + bonuses. Laugh in their face and offer 20, it will end in 50 at best. Maybe they'll forget you are THE idiot who bought Cucurella for 60. It's not like City and Arsenal are waiting with their credit cards to snag him and if they will about to do this for ~70 like any club with dignity and sense of reasonability will, we can easily match it. Another question is whether this guy wants to come here or is indifferent but will happily do a fundraiser for his beloved Brighton. But yeah, we have already successfully pulled a bidding war with ourselves over Enzo, who had absolute zero offers and firm interest from other clubs, so the Chelsea way in action again I guess. Virtually no other top club is paying such shitloads of money, especially for players from mid-table teams who may turn out good, but may also not quite. Tchouaméni was 80 mil Euro, just to have a little comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkh 748 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Considering Arsenal made 3 bids for Caicedo in January and the last one was 65m pounds plus 5m bonus. I would definitely not pay more than 70m plus 5-10m bonus for Caicedo. As they have assured him that he can leave in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turgi 71 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 7 hours ago, Special Juan said: According to Romano we want to get Caicedo done and the focus on a creative player Pretty sure he said it ten times already this summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundalf 806 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Vegetable said: I don't have a problem with the target, but with the way business is being conducted - they want 100? Offer 85 and let everyone know you desperately need this player by friday and have absolutely zero alternative and it will end on 95 + bonuses. Laugh in their face and offer 20, it will end in 50 at best. Maybe they'll forget you are THE idiot who bought Cucurella for 60. It's not like City and Arsenal are waiting with their credit cards to snag him and if they will about to do this for ~70 like any club with dignity and sense of reasonability will, we can easily match it. Another question is whether this guy wants to come here or is indifferent but will happily do a fundraiser for his beloved Brighton. But yeah, we have already successfully pulled a bidding war with ourselves over Enzo, who had absolute zero offers and firm interest from other clubs, so the Chelsea way in action again I guess. Virtually no other top club is paying such shitloads of money, especially for players from mid-table teams who may turn out good, but may also not quite. Tchouaméni was 80 mil Euro, just to have a little comparison. Arsenal had a 75m bid for Caicedo rejected in janaury and now they spent 105m for their plan B, coming from a club that was in relegation fight and no one calls them idiots. Is Rice really worth 30 millions more than Caicedo? Tchouaméni was a big big price considering he came from Ligue 1, also teams like Real or Barca always can buy cheaper because of their aura and players only want to go there. A club like Chelsea always has to pay more. Legit question: who would you buy at the moment? And dont say Tchouaméni - as if he would come to a team like us lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Gundalf said: Legit question: who would you buy at the moment? And dont say Tchouaméni - as if he would come to a team like us lol This is more a question for @Vesper I guess 😂 Maybe he wouldn't, but if Real will be happy to dump him for Mbappe, he will have go somewhere and it won't be Barca, so maybe some contact wouldn't hurt. I guess we successfully missed Ugarte and Tonali (congrats), but hence Brighton is hardballing because they want Colwill and we are easy to mug, maybe instead of leaking to press that we are desperate suckers, it would be better to leak that we have alternatives? Make some noise? Talk to Busquets, show them the handbag of cash waiting. Troll Bayern, sniff around Kimmich. Diplomacy is about tactful but ruthless display of dominance, not licking feet of entity much smaller and less powerful than yours. Meanwhile we have dumped astronomical amounts of dough there for subpar assets and still consider Brighton some god-tier club we have to tiptoe around. Arsenal passed on him and decided to pay up for Rice, but they had a choice to pay what Brighton asked and for some reason they didn't, right? Maybe that's way no one is calling them idiots (on those grounds at least, lol). Maybe he is a perfect fit for them, will sell truckload of shirts and is just the right fit, personality and skill wise. Meanwhile I'm not foolish enough to delude myself our staff knows who is the perfect fit. Rice is at least HG, an issue that will SURPRISINGLY bite us in the ass soon, that may be worth that 30 million alone in some circumstances. Edited July 10, 2023 by Vegetable Norfolkblue1961 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundalf 806 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Vegetable said: Arsenal passed on him and decided to pay up for Rice, but they had a choice to pay what Brighton asked and for some reason they didn't, right? Maybe that's way no one is calling them idiots (on those grounds at least, lol). Well Im pretty sure if we had signed Rice (remember, I always wanted him instead of anyone else) for 105m this place would be in a meltdown. 😂 I dunno, I think the fact that its Brighton is influencing you a little bit. I bet if Caicedo would be a Benfica player like Enzo was, your take would be slightly different - because I didnt see you moaning about the fact that we submitted to Benficas terms in the end and overpaid quite a lot. Edited July 10, 2023 by Gundalf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vegetable 830 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Gundalf said: I dunno, I think the fact that its Brighton is influencing you a little bit. I bet if Caicedo would be a Benfica player like Enzo was, your take would be slightly different - because I didnt see you moaning about the fact that we submitted to Benficas terms in the end and overpaid quite a lot. Man, I was freaking fuming here when Enzo was happening 😂 I guess with similar arguments. And I still think it was quite an overpay 👀. Yeah, I wouldn't really entertain Rice for over 80 as well. But we have well paid people in place to scout and sort this stuff out, meanwhile their moves look like amatourish pr and negotiations teams, that don't do more than any of us with FM on hand could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 9,089 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Would actually rather of paid £100m for Rice than for Caicedo if I am honest. But thats off the table now aa he’s expected to be signed by Arsenal tomorrow I think. If we pay £100m for Caicedo, whilst hes a good player, Brighton and Benfica have rooked us financially for him and Enzo. No midfielder in the world worth £100m. Not one. Vegetable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Enzo is rare in football, there aren’t many elite midfield controllers. So there is a rationale for paying such fees. On the other hand B2B/DMF they are not that unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundalf 806 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Clockwork said: Enzo is rare in football, there aren’t many elite midfield controllers. So there is a rationale for paying such fees. On the other hand B2B/DMF they are not that unique. Ehhhhh, no thanks: Its with all the luxury goods: for the highest quality u have to pay relatively more. Is an Iphone Pro Max worth 1200€ instead of an 600€ Xiaomi? Ofc not, but if u want the top notch, u gotta pay. Yes we overpaid a lot on Enzo but cmon, show me a Chelsea fan that doesnt want him here. No regrets. And no, not every DM is as good as Caicedo. Rice is maybe, but thats why he costs 105m - I dont want compromises. Guys like Zubimendi are not as good as Caicedo, so why should be buy him? Bc he is cheaper? Splash the cash and have a midfield duo that can dominate our midfield for at least 8 years. Edited July 10, 2023 by Gundalf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: Would actually rather of paid £100m for Rice than for Caicedo if I am honest. But thats off the table now aa he’s expected to be signed by Arsenal tomorrow I think. If we pay £100m for Caicedo, whilst hes a good player, Brighton and Benfica have rooked us financially for him and Enzo. No midfielder in the world worth £100m. Not one. Worth is relative. I'd say for us Enzo was defiently worth the money. Midfielders of his skillset are unbelievably rare and when they come are usually reserved for the Madrids/Barcas of this world, the last one of his type that had any interest in coming here was Modric and even then we eventually got blown out of the water by Madrid entering the fray. Failing to get Enzo would have been a major major blunder. It was hard enough watching him at the world cup (I didn't think we had a snowballs in hells chance of getting him at that point), seeing him at a rival knowing he could have been ours would have stinged, hard. Edited July 10, 2023 by Tomo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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