ZAPHOD2319 4,942 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 If they would make the announcement, I could put this in his thread! Fernando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,085 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, robsblubot said: City won the league countless times without even employing a dedicated #9. They defend with freaking Ake and Stones! A team scores and a team defends. We can't score because we simply aren't very good and have not been very good for some time. Even smaller teams manage to outplay us because we are slow and pedantic pedestrian on the ball. We play like shit... we have players who look completely clueless on the ball, like Mudryk. Players who are constantly injured. New signings who are clearly raw and their decisions showcase that. What would a striker possibly do in those conditions? win a point here and here? that's not what we need. Defenders defend and attackers attack sounds so passe. I'm supposed to be the old one here. 😅 They have a structure in place, a style of play, and players that are levels above ours in most positions. The two aren't comparable in the slightest. Our performances and our attackers are two different things. Are you aware you play awful but still win? Two years ago we were in a CL final, so please drop the "some time" line. We haven't been able to score with regularity for "some time", though. My comment about needing players with end product is only part of the issue (a big one, IMO), but I'm fully aware we have issues all over the pitch, which obviously has an affect on the collective. Edited June 10, 2023 by LAM09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,046 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 On 09/06/2023 at 11:40, Special Juan said: Sounds like if Real fail with Kane they will go for Lautaro They will move for Håland, either now, or more likely, next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,476 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 well thetimes says that united is confident of signing mount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LAM09 7,085 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Vesper said: They will move for Håland, either now, or more likely, next summer. I thought the reason they didn't move for him last summer was due to Endrick. I'm aware Haaland currently has some clause in his contract, but RM seemed adamant on allowing the former a clear path once he's able to join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,046 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 On 07/06/2023 at 10:12, Special Juan said: There isn't a better time for Kante to go not true IMHO We could have still gotten £60 to £80m for him right after the CL win. We still would have won the UEFA Super Cup (he only played half the game, and did not play all that great) and FIFA World Club Championship (he also did not play that well at time, the Palmeiras MF dominated us at times, freanted not the full game of course) without him, of that I am convinced. We would have likely had Tchou as our DMF, because the people who blocked the Tchou buy (idiots, he would have only cost 35m to 40m then, Monaco needed money post COVID Ligue 1 financial woes) were the same who refused to sell Kante. If the decision to sell Kante was made, then I fully believe the board would have also valued Tchou and bought him, the two are linked in terms of mindset of the board powers that be who scuttled both from happening. The next two seasons, Kante was constantly injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vesper 31,046 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, LAM09 said: I thought the reason they didn't move for him last summer was due to Endrick. I'm aware Haaland currently has some clause in his contract, but RM seemed adamant on allowing the former a clear path once he's able to join. I do not see Endrick as a CF he is only 1.73m (and I think that is stretch job), so only an inch taller than Pessi too short, no real presence in the air and may well have issues with hold-up play as well on high long passes forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,046 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 I see Reals front 3 in 2 years as LW Mbappe RW Endrick CF Håland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,046 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 On 08/06/2023 at 13:45, Mhsc said: Anyone been watching Santos? Any chance he can realistically play this year for us? Poch will decide that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 27 minutes ago, Vesper said: I see Reals front 3 in 2 years as LW Mbappe RW Endrick CF Håland Where is Vini? bigbluewillie and Reddish-Blue 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 4 hours ago, LAM09 said: They have a structure in place, a style of play, and players that are levels above ours in most positions. The two aren't comparable in the slightest. Our performances and our attackers are two different things. Are you aware you play awful but still win? Two years ago we were in a CL final, so please drop the "some time" line. We haven't been able to score with regularity for "some time", though. My comment about needing players with end product is only part of the issue (a big one, IMO), but I'm fully aware we have issues all over the pitch, which obviously has an affect on the collective. 2 years ago == "some time ago" 🤷♂️ but I was mostly referring to last season. I very much like d the way we played under tuchel, but not everyone here did. Yeah I disagree about the players quality: it's mostly structure, training methods, and tactics around a very collective form of playing football. Most players are interchangeable, and some are pretty mediocre in my book (can think of plenty of other player who could similar of better jobs). I can totally see folks here become really impresse by Kova in that system... like I said, I think he will fit like a glove. I think you are mentioning this season, when Haaland is indeed a big advantage, but they won the league without him plenty--with Jesus and Sterling up front, for ex. They will need Haaland to win the CL tho, because it is different in single elim games. IMO, their only really special player has only been KDB until Haaland arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,046 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Clockwork said: Where is Vini? I have discussed that recently in the past. I think that Real sell him (and buy Mbappe) or use him in a swap deal in which Mbappe is involved. Vini is freaked out about the racist attacks he is being subjected to for ages in La Liga. Mbappe does not like playing at RW or CF when Neymar was healthy, Mbappe had to play CF or RW. big conflict there obviously the same problem with Mbappe and Vini on the same team Endrick is a left footer who is also great at RW Benz is now gone only 3 Real level options for CF in my book are Håland Kane Osimhen Håland has dream of Real since a child So has Mbappe (to a degree) not sure if Real rate Osimhen 4th option (and a drop off) is Lautaro Martínez after that, massive drop off, and I mean massive atm also Real need a LB badly the best option on the planet IMHO is Nuno Mendes (Real also fancies Alphonso Davies) do a package deal Vini plus cash (or their LB Ferland Mendy) for Mbappe (contract expires in 2024) and Nuno (before they grabbed Ugarte, I suggested PSG do a swap of Mbappe plus cash for Vini and Tcho, but now PSG are likely far less interested in Tcho) Edited June 10, 2023 by Vesper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,085 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, robsblubot said: 2 years ago == "some time ago" 🤷♂️ but I was mostly referring to last season. I very much like d the way we played under tuchel, but not everyone here did. Yeah I disagree about the players quality: it's mostly structure, training methods, and tactics around a very collective form of playing football. Most players are interchangeable, and some are pretty mediocre in my book (can think of plenty of other player who could similar of better jobs). I can totally see folks here become really impresse by Kova in that system... like I said, I think he will fit like a glove. I think you are mentioning this season, when Haaland is indeed a big advantage, but they won the league without him plenty--with Jesus and Sterling up front, for ex. They will need Haaland to win the CL tho, because it is different in single elim games. IMO, their only really special player has only been KDB until Haaland arrived. We were at the top of the table by how many points in Nov 2021? Injuries to key players killed our season, as their understudies weren't up to the task. I mentioned structure in my response. This team hasn't had a direction for years, with a number of our key players still living off Mou/Conte's style of play. To also touch on the last bit of your post, Jesus is a CF, despite being incredibly inconsistent, who still offers something unlike Havertz or Lukaku, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,085 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Vesper said: I do not see Endrick as a CF he is only 1.73m (and I think that is stretch job), so only an inch taller than Pessi too short, no real presence in the air and may well have issues with hold-up play as well on high long passes forward There's still a chance of a growth spurt considering his age. What happens to Rodrygo as well (with regards to your post below)? I'd be surprised if Perez went back for Mbappe after what's happened in previous windows. 1 hour ago, robsblubot said: 2 years ago == "some time ago" 🤷♂️ but I was mostly referring to last season. I very much like d the way we played under tuchel, but not everyone here did. Yeah I disagree about the players quality: it's mostly structure, training methods, and tactics around a very collective form of playing football. Most players are interchangeable, and some are pretty mediocre in my book (can think of plenty of other player who could similar of better jobs). I can totally see folks here become really impresse by Kova in that system... like I said, I think he will fit like a glove. I think you are mentioning this season, when Haaland is indeed a big advantage, but they won the league without him plenty--with Jesus and Sterling up front, for ex. They will need Haaland to win the CL tho, because it is different in single elim games. IMO, their only really special player has only been KDB until Haaland arrived. We were at the top of the table by how many points in Nov 2021? Injuries to key players killed our season, as their understudies weren't up to the task. I mentioned structure in my response. This team hasn't had a direction for years, with a number of our key players still living off Mou/Conte's style of play. To also touch on the last bit of your post, Jesus is a CF, despite being incredibly inconsistent, who still offers something unlike Havertz or Lukaku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,046 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, LAM09 said: There's still a chance of a growth spurt considering his age. What happens to Rodrygo as well (with regards to your post below)? I'd be surprised if Perez went back for Mbappe after what's happened in previous windows. I still think they go for Mbappe and Håland, both of them time will tell neither of those two have ever listed Real above Barca as wanting to play for them we are in the mud Håland is already at Citeh and will never move to United or Pool that I can see (especially United) Mbappe is already at PSG Bayern cannot afford them I doubt either goes to Juve in their primes that's all the teams who could afford them (other than the Saudi teams, lol) Barca would be the main competition and they are fucked financially atm it's a process of elimination Rodrygo is natural LWer, not a RWer, he plays at RW because of Vini maybe they just move him to LW IF Vini leaves (this is predicated on that remember), but that is is not the Real way Edited June 10, 2023 by Vesper LAM09 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Rodrygo is a good player, but I'm not yet sure what his ceiling is. He does not look anywhere near Vini's quality to me atm. Vesper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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