lucio 5,418 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Pizy said: Are we going to become cheap bastards wage wise under Boehly? If we are indeed going to target players like a Ugarte, Osimhen, Caicedo etc who are highly sought after by a handful of other top clubs then surely our hierarchy can’t expect to convince these guys to choose Chelsea when we’re offering half the wages of the others? Hand out mid table wages and you get mid table players Vesper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didi007 69 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, Pizy said: Are we going to become cheap bastards wage wise under Boehly? If we are indeed going to target players like a Ugarte, Osimhen, Caicedo etc who are highly sought after by a handful of other top clubs then surely our hierarchy can’t expect to convince these guys to choose Chelsea when we’re offering half the wages of the others? And no European football who knows for the foreseeable future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 19,249 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Usually when the top PL clubs fall out of the UCL for a short period of time like United have they know they have to offer MORE in wages to make up for it. If reports are to be believed we’ve gone the opposite way… Blue Armour 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,085 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Pizy said: Usually when the top PL clubs fall out of the UCL for a short period of time like United have they know they have to offer MORE in wages to make up for it. If reports are to be believed we’ve gone the opposite way… There's offering a bit more, and then there's overcompensating. I have no idea what Ugarte is currently earning at SCP, but we shouldn't be offering stupid amounts to compete with the likes of City, PSG, or United in that regard. Edited May 31, 2023 by LAM09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 19,249 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 8 minutes ago, LAM09 said: There's offering a bit more, and then there's overcompensating. I have no idea what Ugarte is currently earning at SCP, but we shouldn't be offering stupid amounts to compete with the likes of City, PSG, or United in that regard. Of course we shouldn’t go crazy offering dudes 200-300k a week right off the bat, but apparently we’ve offered him midtable PL level wages. Probably a decent bump to what he’s earning currently but why would he choose a Chelsea side who are out of the UCL and who are offering half the weekly wage? He can go to PSG or United and probably earn huge money. If anything, this should be the final summer where we DO offer huge wages in order to get us back into the top 4 ASAP. Then when we make it we step back a bit and trim the wage bill. lucio, didi007 and Blue Armour 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,729 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Lets say he's on 50k a week at Sporting, offering him 120k is not in any way shape or form disrupting the wage structure at this club when you have the likes of Mount being offered 200k plus and players like Kante picking up crazy amounts for sitting on the hospital bed. Vesper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,399 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, Special Juan said: Lets say he's on 50k a week at Sporting, offering him 120k is not in any way shape or form disrupting the wage structure at this club when you have the likes of Mount being offered 200k plus and players like Kante picking up crazy amounts for sitting on the hospital bed. Think we are offering him £80K/week if they are saying we offered him €2m a year net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Almost everyone was happy with TB slashing high wages, esp after entire season of moaning on how much likes of KK, Cucu or Havertz earn, so it's not like super surprising we aren't offering high wages anymore, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,729 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Instead of balling we are low balling again Vesper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 19,249 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 With Felix, Mount, RLC, Ziyech, Pulisic, Mendy, and whoever else all off our books I feel like we could comfortably offer all the new signing big wages and still come out saving money compared to last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lluubbeenn 188 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, Special Juan said: Lets say he's on 50k a week at Sporting, offering him 120k is not in any way shape or form disrupting the wage structure at this club when you have the likes of Mount being offered 200k plus and players like Kante picking up crazy amounts for sitting on the hospital bed. Yet both of them are on the way out, mainly because of wages. We have to reward players with high wages not tempt them. If a player wants to come to Chelsea because of the wage package and not because the manager and the players around him we are doomed. Man U are the perfect example. We should offer respectable wage, but we don't have the revenue to be the biggest spenders. Vegetable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 10,204 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Maybe Todd Bohely and his cronies will be the downfall of this club.. maybe we end up being another Spurs. lucio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 19,249 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, DDA said: Maybe Todd Bohely and his cronies will be the downfall of this club.. maybe we end up being another Spurs. Doubt it. He has already proven that the club are willing to spend huge money on transfer fee themselves. And paying off a manager less than a year into a 5 year contract that had him as one of the highest paid coaches in the league. But wages are a big part of what attracts the players themselves. Being sensible with our wage structure is fine. Being cheap is another thing. Not all top class players will want to have their contract loaded up with a hundred incentives. Not when other huge clubs will just go in and say “here’s 200k a week.” Norfolkblue1961 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,399 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Think he is currently on £20K/Week based on a little research online. Based on what Report_Portugal is saying we offered in terms of yearly net, its likely we are offering him £80K/Week gross. PSG are offering him £200K/Week gross..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,729 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 28 minutes ago, lluubbeenn said: Yet both of them are on the way out, mainly because of wages. We have to reward players with high wages not tempt them. If a player wants to come to Chelsea because of the wage package and not because the manager and the players around him we are doomed. Man U are the perfect example. We should offer respectable wage, but we don't have the revenue to be the biggest spenders. 80k-120k is not high wages in this day and age- Kante is not on the way solely because of wages it's because he's a fucking cripple. As for Mount and the money offered and him rejecting it tells me he wants fuck all to do with the club. Vesper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didi007 69 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 44 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: Think we are offering him £80K/week if they are saying we offered him €2m a year net. It’s more like £40-50k a week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,085 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Pizy said: Of course we shouldn’t go crazy offering dudes 200-300k a week right off the bat, but apparently we’ve offered him midtable PL level wages. Probably a decent bump to what he’s earning currently but why would he choose a Chelsea side who are out of the UCL and who are offering half the weekly wage? He can go to PSG or United and probably earn huge money. If anything, this should be the final summer where we DO offer huge wages in order to get us back into the top 4 ASAP. Then when we make it we step back a bit and trim the wage bill. We did that last summer, and look how that turned out. If the information below is correct, I'd say going to £100k would be fair, or walk away from the deal. Earning 5x your current wage should be enough considering his desire to join an EPL side instead of PSG. If this was someone like Leao or Osimhen, I'd be more incline to agree with your thinking. 57 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: Think he is currently on £20K/Week based on a little research online. Based on what Report_Portugal is saying we offered in terms of yearly net, its likely we are offering him £80K/Week gross. PSG are offering him £200K/Week gross..... Edit: I'm going off the information here - Manuel Ugarte latest: Chelsea & PSG’s transfer offers, wage proposals, decision date - Absolute Chelsea He's currently earning £25kpw, and we're offering him £143kpw~ (there's probably bonuses on top of that). Comparing us with the stupidity that happens in Paris is a non-starter (they are supposedly offering £358kpw). Edited May 31, 2023 by LAM09 Vesper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Let's not forget the new contracts were supposed to be heavily relying on performance. It may as well be 80 base and another 120 in bonuses, difference in PSG he gets it just for showing up. Everything shall be done in right proportions, but since we lack proper attitude and everyone here was crying to letting go of salarymen in our team, weeding out people who only care about money is right move, even if it means missing out on this month's Twitter's-sweetheart-new-world-beating talent. It's exactly what people wanted. The "rebuilding" is also about getting players who really want to play for Chelsea or at least use us as a trampoline to Real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artandur 939 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 RLC to Milan, Kova to City, hopefully selling Conor, probably no new Kante contract, Zakaria going back to Juve - 2 new midfielders might not even be enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,399 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 1 hour ago, didi007 said: It’s more like £40-50k a week 1 hour ago, LAM09 said: We did that last summer, and look how that turned out. If the information below is correct, I'd say going to £100k would be fair, or walk away from the deal. Earning 5x your current wage should be enough considering his desire to join an EPL side instead of PSG. If this was someone like Leao or Osimhen, I'd be more incline to agree with your thinking. Edit: I'm going off the information here - Manuel Ugarte latest: Chelsea & PSG’s transfer offers, wage proposals, decision date - Absolute Chelsea He's currently earning £25kpw, and we're offering him £143kpw~ (there's probably bonuses on top of that). Comparing us with the stupidity that happens in Paris is a non-starter (they are supposedly offering £358kpw). I'm going off Record_Portugal report on his yearly net worth and considering England's 45% tax rate. 80kpw right now which will likely turn to 120-140kpw once we are in Champions League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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