Superblue 6,372 Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 5 hours ago, Vesper said: I am so not counting on signing any of those 3 to buy all three would cost around £350m or so, maybe more I think we'll get one. I'm hoping for Bellingham, but expecting Rice. 4 hours ago, Blues Forever said: I think we will probably spending big on the midfielders since Kante and Jorginho are leaving. Kovacic also has 2 year left, so we need to make another big decision either keep or sell. We'll definitely spend in that position but some of the big name midfielders we're looking at £100m or more, so can't see us buying more than one of that profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 10 hours ago, Hermione said: If we extend Jorginho and Kante we're hopeless. Jorg is worth keeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,050 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Clockwork said: Jorg is worth keeping. Why? So we can always see how it is to be overrun in MF and/or play 90% square or backward passes and/or slow the pace down to a crawl? mkh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Vesper said: Why? So we can always see how it is to be overrun in MF and/or play 90% square or backward passes and/or slow the pace down to a crawl? Our assessment is different on Jorginho, if you think he is upgradable and better options available that is fine. My point at the very least is resign Jorginho, and bring in enforcement. Reddish-Blue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,666 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 17 hours ago, Blues Forever said: I think we will probably spending big on the midfielders since Kante and Jorginho are leaving. Kovacic also has 2 year left, so we need to make another big decision either keep or sell. I highly doubt the club will let both midfielders just walk away on free transfers. I'd be shocked if a deal wasn't offered to Jorginho (whether he accepts it or decides to cash in on a nice deal + signing on fee from an Italian club remains to be seen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,666 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 18 hours ago, Vesper said: I am so not counting on signing any of those 3 to buy all three would cost around £350m or so, maybe more Bellingham won't come to us if the likes of Real Madrid and City are going after him and De Jong won't leave Barcelona till he gets his deferred wages. That leaves Declan Rice, let's see how much the new owners are willing to spend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,050 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 7 hours ago, Clockwork said: Our assessment is different on Jorginho, if you think he is upgradable and better options available that is fine. My point at the very least is resign Jorginho, and bring in enforcement. I have listed my upgrades for ages. Jorginho has often been a disaster over the past year or so. Maybe Potter has some way to better utilise him, and if so, he truly is a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 19,257 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Players like Bellingham and De Jong are likely only to come if we have CL football next season. Rice I feel would jump at the chance no matter what if we pay the money. So I still think he’s the likeliest of the super expensive midfield targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,050 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 13 minutes ago, Pizy said: Players like Bellingham and De Jong are likely only to come if we have CL football next season. Rice I feel would jump at the chance no matter what if we pay the money. So I still think he’s the likeliest of the super expensive midfield targets. Rice turns 25 in the middle of next season. Next summer is the last one where we would get 5 full sub 30yo seasons out of Rice (and almost all trad DMFs go to shit after they are older than 30yo), so, in terms of paying way over £100m, say in the the £125m to even £150m range, it will be do or die time for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,050 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, Vesper said: Rice turns 25 in the middle of next season. Next summer is the last one where we would get 5 full sub 30yo seasons out of Rice (and almost all trad DMFs go to shit after they are older than 30yo), so, in terms of paying way over £100m, say in the the £125m to even £150m range, it will be do or die time for me top 10 over-30yo DMF's in terms of valuation on TMarkt: (and six of the ten are only 31yo, to show you how utterly younger player loaded the position is) N'Golo Kanté (and Kante is down to only £36m, at at only 31yo) massive drop off, the next, de Roon, is only £15.3m Marten de Roon (31yo) Mateus Uribe (31yo) Danilo Pereira (31yo) Benjamin André (just turned 32yo) all the rest are under £10m Allan (31yo) Sergio Busquets (so NOT a trad DMF) Grzegorz Krychowiak Arijan Ademi (31yo) Taras Stepanenko all the rest are under £5m plus other ones, well known, but worth even less, many long ago went to shit, but some are only 31 Francis Coquelin Nemanja Matić Steven Nzonzi Oriol Romeu Axel Witsel (the only one on this entire list, plus the non listed Fernandinho, who was great 32yo and older as a trad DMF) Victor Wanyama Cheikhou Kouyaté Fernando Morgan Schneiderlin Javi Martínez Luka Milivojevic Étienne Capoue Asier Illarramendi Sebastian Rudy Jake Livermore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,942 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 laura90 and Vesper 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,050 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 updated comprehensive list of CF options (Christopher Nkunku is an AMF and an SS, not a CF) so................ Kylian Mbappé (LOLOLOLOL) Victor Osimhen Rafael Leão (he isn't really a CF though, but could be perhaps, and buy him for other positions anyway) Dušan Vlahović Lautaro Martínez João Félix (he isn't really a CF though) Ivan Toney Alexander Isak Jonathan David Benjamin Sesko Amine Gouiri Karim Adeyemi Arnaut Danjuma Hugo Ekitiké Gonçalo Ramos Aleksandar Mitrović Noah Okafor Evanilson youth Endrick Mathys Tel Momo Cho Elye Wahi Youssoufa Moukoko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,763 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 On 15/10/2022 at 17:59, Vesper said: shoot me now Jorginho prioritising Chelsea stay https://thehardtackle.com/reactions/jorginho-prioritising-Chelsea-stay/ Actually saw how useful he can be yesterday. Came on and helped gain a bit of control in midfield. As long as he's not first choice, he's a calming midfield influence to have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,763 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 9 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said: Parody account but still I find it hilarious how Barca's season is going - the likes of Kounde were making fun of Chelsea after the opening Champions League game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,763 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 16 hours ago, Vesper said: Rice turns 25 in the middle of next season. Next summer is the last one where we would get 5 full sub 30yo seasons out of Rice (and almost all trad DMFs go to shit after they are older than 30yo), so, in terms of paying way over £100m, say in the the £125m to even £150m range, it will be do or die time for me I think few mids have edged ahead of Rice in the last year. Bellingham, FdJ are the ones I would be excited about targeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulvhedin 526 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 So if Nkunku is not a typical CF and winger won't we have another problem with finding him optimal position in our squad like with Havertz and Timo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artandur 939 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 40 minutes ago, ulvhedin said: So if Nkunku is not a typical CF and winger won't we have another problem with finding him optimal position in our squad like with Havertz and Timo? He can basically play any position in our front 3. And if we switch to a back 4 again for some games, he'd slot in perfectly as the 10 or a shadow striker. Reddish-Blue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,125 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Strike said: the likes of Kounde were making fun of Chelsea after the opening Champions League game. According to an earlier post in the forum the comment you are referring to came from a fake account and not from Kounde himself. Edited October 17, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie Strike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, Artandur said: He can basically play any position in our front 3. And if we switch to a back 4 again for some games, he'd slot in perfectly as the 10 or a shadow striker. Basically a jack of all trades and master of none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,666 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 45 minutes ago, ulvhedin said: So if Nkunku is not a typical CF and winger won't we have another problem with finding him optimal position in our squad like with Havertz and Timo? Not really, his technical play is far superior to both Timo and Havertz on the wings & would give him alot of opportunities to get involved in our attack from the wing. Timo was limited because he needed space to thrive (hence why he's scoring goals again in the Bundesliga), his previous manager at Leipzig even mentioned that Timo is a great player in certain situations but against teams with a low block, he won't offer many solutions in our attack (think that was before a matchup between Leipzig and Atletico Madrid who were one of the harder defenses to break down in the UCL). The problem with Havertz is that he doesn't really fit any role in our tactical system. At Leverkusen, he was basically the #1 option playing off another striker/playing between the lines. Not sure how Havertz has been utilized by Potter but he was effectively used either on the wing or upfront by previous managers.....and it all came with mixed results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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