Chelsea Transfers

[Clockwork 1,794]

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

I see we’re being linked with Lautaro Martinez again. Doesn’t really make sense to me unless Tuchel is thinking of going with a 2 striker system with he and Havertz playing up top together. Then we’d have to depend on the wingbacks for 100% of our width.  

Tuchel has used 4-2-2-2 to a sizable extent, we talk about 4-3-3 but I think that formation is more likely.

[Superblue 6,372]

22 minutes ago, Hashishi said:

I am really sceptical about this window. I am already depressed and don't want to fall behind spurs. I don't care about marquee signings. We should've signed a hazard after the CL high last year. Our team is barebones with no real instinct, chemistry or suitability to the tactics tuchel wants to implement. Wtf does boehly know on how to scout players. Since he's heading the summer spree I expect to end up with a couple of Maguires, another donkeyaku and donkeyoko with kante being sold to a direct rival. Please quote me if we actually have a summer better than this.

You do know Boehly won't be choosing the players we sign.

[Hashishi 148]

3 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

You do know Boehly won't be choosing the players we sign.

He's staying in UK to have the final say. Aka he will be the difference between buying a 80m player vs 2 40s. Kounde will be our highest transfer fee.

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

I like Martinez but not sure if he can cope well in the Prem. 

Doubt Inter will even consider selling him either way. 

[Superblue 6,372]

8 minutes ago, Hashishi said:

He's staying in UK to have the final say. Aka he will be the difference between buying a 80m player vs 2 40s. Kounde will be our highest transfer fee.

He'll have a say with regards to the overriding budget but make no mistake he'll be leaning on Tuchel to back him.

If Tuchel turns round and says he'd rather one £80m player and he'll use an academy or loan return compared to 2 x £40m players, I believe that is what Boehly will do.

If Kounde ends up being the most expensive player of the summer so be it, we've proven over the years more expensive doesn't necessarily mean better suited 

[King Kante 1,643]

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

we are fucking idiots if we do that

we are basically shitting away most of that £97.5m we poured out for the cunt (he will turn 32yo late in the season after he comes back from a 2 year loan now)

a dry loan is a dry assfuck, no lube, no chocolates, no thanks

I think me and you have broadly the same opinions however as soon as we brought Lukaku it was always going to be like this. I'd imagine the deal will be something like two year loan, and the owed money for those two years gets waived i.e. (approx) €20m a year and his wages get covered. 

For me, Lukaku isn't going back to Inter/Italy for more than two years' and there isn't really another team that will take him, I mean lets be serious PSG don't need him and Bayern are far too intelligent in the market not to recognise his lack of ability.

Another reason for him only going back for two years' is due to the tax he has to pay, as I believe for your first two years you get a preferriential tax rate in Italy. That is why he was so keen to leave in the first place as he was about to be taxed up the arse. I also believe that a 'pay cut' in Italy would still result in similar take home pay for him as he gets at Chelsea.

All in all, we have to be realistic. He was an absolute disaster from the get go, I called it day one. Now the situation is just about avoiding the worst outcome, which is him here next season pointing like a statue and rocking the boat and then being stuck with him for four more years'.

What really needs to happen is that the person who sanctioned this has to leave. I have seen some tweets that Granny may go in the shake-up in the boardroom. Personally, I place quite a lot of blame on her as whilst she may not have done the scouting she should've known the financial implications of this deal and also had enough knowledge of football to understand that he was a potential/guaranteed worse signing than Kepa, Baka, Drinky, Torres etc; all deals she should've been aware of. 

Edited June 1, 2022 by King Kante

[Blues Forever 1,232]

26 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I like Martinez but not sure if he can cope well in the Prem. 

Doubt Inter will even consider selling him either way. 

If Inter sign both Lukaku and Dybala, Lautaro is as good as gone. 

Edited June 1, 2022 by Blues Forever

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

52 minutes ago, King Kante said:

What really needs to happen is that the person who sanctioned this has to leave

May already have left.

[DDA 9,941]

As I said before, the Lukaku transfer is the worse transfer business in the history of this club. Far worse than Torres. It is kind of a fitting way for Roman to have ended his reign with such a crazy move. Don't worry though, this won't happen under the Americans, they will be far more shrewd.

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3 hours ago, Pizy said:

I see we’re being linked with Lautaro Martinez again. Doesn’t really make sense to me unless Tuchel is thinking of going with a 2 striker system with he and Havertz playing up top together. Then we’d have to depend on the wingbacks for 100% of our width.  

If Havertz doesn't play as a striker, where does he play?

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

53 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Personally, I place quite a lot of blame on her [MG] as whilst she may not have done the scouting she should've known the financial implications of this deal and also had enough knowledge of football to understand that he was a potential/guaranteed worse signing than Kepa, Baka, Drinky, Torres etc; all deals she should've been aware of. 

I could not disagree with you more on this. Until someone brings me incontrovertible evidence that Marina made any decisions on football grounds I will not believe it. For her to have done so would be ridiculous beyond farce. The very notion is silly and I don't understand why it persists.

If Marina has an opinion on a given player then of course she might give it casually but the ultimate football decision is not her domain. Advising Roman and the football people of the cost of the best deal available and of its financial implications going forward; yes, whether that player is the right choice; not her job. Armed with the financial facts the final decision over whether or not to allocate x% of their budget to a particular signing has to have been between Roman and his football advisors.

[Pizy 18,928]

2 minutes ago, DDA said:

If Havertz doesn't play as a striker, where does he play?

Exactly. Which is why if another striker comes in for big money it has to be to play with Kai up there. Moving him wide or deeper in midfield takes away his best attributes. 

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21 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Exactly. Which is why if another striker comes in for big money it has to be to play with Kai up there. Moving him wide or deeper in midfield takes away his best attributes. 

I honestly think its a cause for concern. He just isn't clinical enough to play uptop alone and if we partner him with a second striker, as you mentioned it causes all kinds of headaches with relying soley on the wing backs for width. If we do that, then we need to ensure we have serious backup if James or Chilly are injured again.

[Superblue 6,372]

59 minutes ago, DDA said:

I honestly think its a cause for concern. He just isn't clinical enough to play uptop alone and if we partner him with a second striker, as you mentioned it causes all kinds of headaches with relying soley on the wing backs for width. If we do that, then we need to ensure we have serious backup if James or Chilly are injured again.

I think it's easy to forget how young Havertz is and that he will continue to develop. He has looked significantly better this season than last which is the first good sign and I think that has a lot to do with (1) becoming more accustomed to the league and (2) Tuchel having a clearer idea of how to use him than Lamps did.

His goal record in Germany suggests he will be a good source of goals throughout his career and some of his goals here have shown the technique and class that I think the likes of Werner and Pulisic struggle to show.

In the current system the striker role is his best. Maybe in a back 4 formation he could operate deeper as an 8 or 10 but that would depend on Tuchels overall plans.

I think if havertz played as first choice through the season up front he'd be capable of 12-15 goals. If Mount can get something similar which he's roughly at already and we can find another player that offers the same we won't be far off. City have shown in recent times you don't need 1 player bagging 20+ but are better positioned with 3 or 4 getting 10-15.

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

I think its bold claiming he has looked significantly better this season. He's better no doubt but still as inconsistent as last season. 

Virtually no excuses this next season. 

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1 hour ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I think it's easy to forget how young Havertz is and that he will continue to develop. He has looked significantly better this season than last which is the first good sign and I think that has a lot to do with (1) becoming more accustomed to the league and (2) Tuchel having a clearer idea of how to use him than Lamps did.

His goal record in Germany suggests he will be a good source of goals throughout his career and some of his goals here have shown the technique and class that I think the likes of Werner and Pulisic struggle to show.

In the current system the striker role is his best. Maybe in a back 4 formation he could operate deeper as an 8 or 10 but that would depend on Tuchels overall plans.

I think if havertz played as first choice through the season up front he'd be capable of 12-15 goals. If Mount can get something similar which he's roughly at already and we can find another player that offers the same we won't be far off. City have shown in recent times you don't need 1 player bagging 20+ but are better positioned with 3 or 4 getting 10-15.

He has looked better at times, but for me he goes missing too often in too many games. I'm just struggling to see how he fits into the system if we are actively looking for a striker/winger. If he does play the deeper role, then surely we have to sacrifice either Mount or even maybe Gallagher... I think Gallagher will become a very important player for us, I really do. If he can match the output in his first half of the season shown at Palace... then he will instantly offer more in the midfield than Havertz. I also do not like Havertz on the wing whatsoever. He just doesn't have the agility to play there if we are to compete with the big dogs. I hope TT can work this out because obviously there is a fantastic player in Havertz... just intrigued to see how and where he plays in this team.

[Superblue 6,372]

1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I think its bold claiming he has looked significantly better this season. He's better no doubt but still as inconsistent as last season. 

Virtually no excuses this next season. 

Bearing in mind the first half of last season Lampard moved him around multiple positions and towards the end of his tenure havertz barely looked a pub player, I would say he looks significantly better than that yes.

He's far from the finished article and does need consistency because he dropped levels towards the end of the season (although a number of players did). But he also missed large chunks of last season either as backup to lukaku or through injury/illness. I believe next season if he's first choice in the 9 role he'll get 12-15 goals which I think is a good return so long as others also contribute.

[Hashishi 148]

As long as donkeyaku isn't in the picture, we could have quite a fluid attack if we played 4231 with mason at 10 and Puli/Ziyech on the wings. Werner can do this role as well if he learns how to work in tight spaces. CHO is built for this. The double pivot that has been failing us will be more protected by the wingers and 10 by the press. It also means less strain on Chilwells knee and Reeces hamstrings as the team would not be so reliant on them to provide width.

This all depends on the types of defenders we sign. We would need at least two starter CBs to challenge as Silva needs to have his minutes managed, and that allows Colwill to have a loan in the prem to prove himself. We would also have to sign backup fullbacks instead of wingbacks. We have been so reliant on 3 atb because Alonso could not play in any other system. Although we missed out on perisic, it may be for the best if we decide to go 4 atb next season.

[milka 3,393]

Dembele to Chelsea yes or no

Great potential with many injuries like Pulisic 

Edited June 1, 2022 by milka

[Hashishi 148]

50 minutes ago, milka said:

Dembele to Chelsea yes or no

Great potential with many injuries like Pulisic 

We already have a pulisic...