Chelsea Transfers

[Tomo 21,733]

3 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

Tuchel wanted a goal scoring target man, Lukaku is clearly doesn't fit the bill except his goal scoring records.

 

The system tax goes out of the window with his behavior, lack of effort and how highly he thinks of himself.

Those 4 would perform in any system under any manager, he's set his own standards about time he puts his money where that big mouth of his is. 

 

[Jase 43,479]

4 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

Tuchel wanted a goal scoring target man, Lukaku is clearly doesn't fit the bill except his goal scoring records.

 

ExpectedChelsea's takes are daft. It's alright pointing out that Lukaku did this and that at Inter (and Belgium) but it's also worth pointing out that Conte literally configured the entire Inter side around Lukaku for him to do what he did. He literally had a system built around him to cover his flaws and achieve what he did (all for the grand total of one Serie A title, his only major title in his career) and it was in an entirely different league. Why should Tuchel copy exactly what Conte did? As Tuchel said the other day, football is not just about 10 players serving the other one player. It's a team game. Minus the finishing bit, we had a working system last season (notice how the system wasn't a big talking point then?) with the right players fitting in to make it work and it's BIG reason why we won the Champions League so convincingly but this season, with the addition of Lukaku, suddenly all the talk is about the system, how we need to build it around him etc and how the players suddenly look at odds with one another. Why we should become like a one-man team again!? If Lukaku is truly as great as he thinks himself to be, then he should or needs to adapt to the system that we play. If he needs an entire system to be built around him, to cover his flaws and all that, then he's not a world class player at all. And no, the club/Tuchel signed Lukaku because they very likely just look at the numbers. They likely didn't give much thought on whether he would actually fit into the system.

[DDA 9,690]

😂😂 he had the cheek to say that. 

Have a fucking word with yourself Romelu. 

 

[Tomo 21,733]

10 minutes ago, Jase said:

ExpectedChelsea's takes are daft. It's alright pointing out that Lukaku did this and that at Inter (and Belgium) but it's also worth pointing out that Conte literally configured the entire Inter side around Lukaku for him to do what he did. He literally had a system built around him to cover his flaws and achieve what he did (all for the grand total of one Serie A title, his only major title in his career) and it was in an entirely different league. Why should Tuchel copy exactly what Conte did? As Tuchel said the other day, football is not just about 10 players serving the other one player. It's a team game. Minus the finishing bit, we had a working system last season (notice how the system wasn't a big talking point last season?) with the right players fitting in to make it work and it's BIG reason why we won the Champions League so convincingly but this season, with the addition of Lukaku, suddenly all the talk is about the system, how we need to build it around him etc and how odd the players suddenly look at odds with one another. Why we should become like a one-man team again!? If Lukaku is truly as great as he thinks himself to be, then he should or needs to adapt to the system that we play. If he needs an entire system to be built around him, to cover his flaws and all that, then he's not a world class player at all. And no, the club/Tuchel signed Lukaku because they very likely just look at the numbers. They likely didn't give much thought on whether he would actually fit into the system.

The fact the main case for his defense is a nations league game they still lost anyway says it all.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

16 minutes ago, Jase said:

ExpectedChelsea's takes are daft. It's alright pointing out that Lukaku did this and that at Inter (and Belgium) but it's also worth pointing out that Conte literally configured the entire Inter side around Lukaku for him to do what he did. He literally had a system built around him to cover his flaws and achieve what he did (all for the grand total of one Serie A title, his only major title in his career) and it was in an entirely different league. Why should Tuchel copy exactly what Conte did? As Tuchel said the other day, football is not just about 10 players serving the other one player. It's a team game. Minus the finishing bit, we had a working system last season (notice how the system wasn't a big talking point last season?) with the right players fitting in to make it work and it's BIG reason why we won the Champions League so convincingly but this season, with the addition of Lukaku, suddenly all the talk is about the system, how we need to build it around him etc and how odd the players suddenly look at odds with one another. Why we should become like a one-man team again!? If Lukaku is truly as great as he thinks himself to be, then he should or needs to adapt to the system that we play. If he needs an entire system to be built around him, to cover his flaws and all that, then he's not a world class player at all. And no, the club/Tuchel signed Lukaku because they very likely just look at the numbers. They likely didn't give much thought on whether he would actually fit into the system.

Twomey mentioned Tuchel didn't suggest Lukaku to the board, he just went along with them because he think we need a reliable goalscorer.

Edited January 19, 2022 by Blues Forever

[Blues Forever 1,232]

28 minutes ago, Tomo said:

The system tax goes out of the window with his behavior, lack of effort and how highly he thinks of himself.

Those 4 would perform in any system under any manager, he's set his own standards about time he puts his money where that big mouth of his is. 

 

Yes, Lukaku has a big ego without the ability to backed it unlike Ronaldo or Ibrahimovic. 

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Blues Forever said:

Twomey mentioned Tuchel didn't suggest Lukaku to the board, he just went along with them because he think we need a reliable goalscorer.

At this point, god knows which is right and which is wrong anymore. From my POV, I have said before that I think Lukaku was more of the board's signing and Tuchel just went along with it. The board have always wanted to sign him back since 2017/2018. 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

Just now, Jase said:

At this point, god knows which is right and which is wrong anymore. From my POV, I have said before that I think Lukaku was more of the board's signing and Tuchel just went along with it. The board have always wanted to sign him back since 2017/2018. 

Yes, i also thought the same.

[Tomo 21,733]

1 minute ago, Jase said:

At this point, god knows which is right and which is wrong anymore. From my POV, I have said before that I think Lukaku was more of the board's signing and Tuchel just went along with it. The board have always wanted to sign him back since 2017/2018. 

Atleast then it was somewhat understandable, now it's just bonkers.

Quite crazy that the only manager of late that's truly dealt with this guy the way he deserves is Solskjaer.

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, Tomo said:

Atleast then it was somewhat understandable, now it's just bonkers.

Yes but imagine if we had signed Lukaku for Conte and then went through the managers that we did anyway - Sarri, Lampard and Tuchel. Might well have still ended up with the same problems anyway.

[Tomo 21,733]

3 minutes ago, Jase said:

Yes but imagine if we had signed Lukaku for Conte and then went through the managers that we did anyway - Sarri, Lampard and Tuchel. Might well have still ended up with the same problems anyway.

Sarri would have froze him out and Conte would have given us our money back.

Our best hope now is PSG panic and want a guaranteed stat padder to replace Mbappe.

[MoroccanBlue 5,296]

1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

Common sense?

What on earth do you expect Tuchel to say. As has been noted, there's a difference between pushing for a target (Haaland potentially) & accepting the hand you're dealt.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt so let's say in this hypothetical you are right. Tuchel went along with it. But there again shows the problem.

Great managers wait for the right target vs go for the wrong one. It boggles me how these same board members who experienced Conte's 2017 disaster window are following the same route for a player who is arguably the pinnacle of a wrong signing for us. 

Add the fact Tuchel is throwing away a successful formula to shoehorn Lukaku in a system even my dog knows he isn't suited for, begs the question as to why he is doing this. 

[Superblue 6,370]

1 hour ago, Jase said:

At this point, god knows which is right and which is wrong anymore. From my POV, I have said before that I think Lukaku was more of the board's signing and Tuchel just went along with it. The board have always wanted to sign him back since 2017/2018. 

 

13 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt so let's say in this hypothetical you are right. Tuchel went along with it. But there again shows the problem.

Great managers wait for the right target vs go for the wrong one. It boggles me how these same board members who experienced Conte's 2017 disaster window are following the same route for a player who is arguably the pinnacle of a wrong signing for us. 

Add the fact Tuchel is throwing away a successful formula to shoehorn Lukaku in a system even my dog knows he isn't suited for, begs the question as to why he is doing this. 

That whole issue stems from the short term mentality the club has shown over the years.

If Haaland was a no-go and the board have turned around to Tuchel and said we can get Lukaku, I'd love for him to turn around and say he won't be the right long term fit for what I'm building here.

But even with the Champions League in his back pocket, Tuchel knows the recent history of Chelsea and he may not get that long term to build towards. Despite the promising signs of what was being built last season our attack was still incredibly wasteful and not clinical enough. Whatever we say about Lukaku his goalscoring record across his career, and specifically in this country is very good overall and adding that goal threat probably for Tuchel, felt like it would help get us out of situations we were in last season when we couldn't put teams away.

The club did seem to back Tuchel significantly over Lukaku with the interview. We'll see in time whether they back Tuchel in the summer, because I cannot see both Tuchel and Lukaku lasting beyond the summer as it seems an ill fit. I really hope it's not Lukaku here for the long term.

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[MoroccanBlue 5,296]

Not sure if he fits the profile of what we need. 

[Vesper 28,772]

7 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

Tuchel wanted a goal scoring target man, Lukaku is clearly doesn't fit the bill except his goal scoring records.

 

[Vesper 28,772]

3 hours ago, Tomo said:

Our best hope now is PSG panic and want a guaranteed stat padder to replace Mbappe.

I would think this will be their master, all major (even tenuous ones) possibilities list (no order, other than Häland top) for forwards

35 players, some are extreme reaches

Erling Haaland   
Vinicius Junior   
Mohamed Salah
Dusan Vlahovic
Romelu Lukaku
Lautaro Martínez
Harry Kane  
Jadon Sancho  
Marcus Rashford   
Raheem Sterling  
Sadio Mané    
Heung-min Son   
Mikel Oyarzabal   
Federico Chiesa   
Leroy Sané   
Serge Gnabry    
Ansu Fati   
João Félix    
Richarlison    
Kingsley Coman  
Jonathan David 
Paulo Dybala  
Antoine Griezmann   
Robert Lewandowski  
Amine Gouiri   
Memphis Depay  
Alexander Isak   
Marco Asensio    
André Silva   
Karim Adeyemi  
Cristiano Ronaldo   
Allan Saint-Maximin    
Anthony Martial  
Ousmane Dembélé
Youssoufa Moukoko