Newcastle buy out

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11 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Sky Sports is usually all fluff. But they had a few guests that made this chat about what we can expect going forward with Newcastle. It was pretty grounded in how adding players and a new manager can lead to failure if you are getting people that just want the money. Interesting the people involved all agreed it will take years if they go about it to build a top team. Some saying with what Newcastle has currently, it could be closer to 10 year than 5.

 

 

Staveley said herself she wants to win the PL within 5-10

Doesnt mean they wont turbo spend but also doesnt mean they will

I think it just depends what the saudis really want to do, Sky have been feeding the bruce is gone narrative for a couple days also and i think sky are quite close to newcastle board...

Like Ive said i wouldnt be suprised to see them spend in jan and bring in a manager, consolidate and then concentrate on the big plan i.e infrastucture expanding stadium and the playing squad

Also seen some legitimatly connected people saying theyre after a very top DOF and that he himself will attract big named managers.

Interesting to watch what happens

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1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

And who did Tuchel buy? Nobody. Thats the whole point. Not on about solely appointing managers, its happens midseason more or less 75% of the time all around Europe.

maybe this will help…. And by joined - club I mean after the seasons kicked off as we are 7 games in already.

Anyway, as I can see here, there are 100% people expecting Bruce to have been sacked on the day they confirmed the take over and for a new manager to come in a day or two after, which is quite frankly ludicrous.

As a club just taken over after an initial failed takeover attempt prior, I doubt they’ll have even thought about having anything in place immediately with a manager. They’ll have a list perhaps but I’d be surprised if its not Bruce or his assistant taking the game at the weekend although it is only Tuesday.

End of season? I don’t think that would make sense.

If they are smart, they will maybe take a bit of time to see who’s out there and get someone who wants to build the club for a couple of seasons at least so they can actually have a reasonable progression and build expectations up as opposed to going from Steve Bruce to a caretaker for 6 months to another manager then the following summer changing between 3 different managers, with 3 different views on football and 3 different goals entirely. Plus if they want a director of football (which is rumoured) and also try and get the likes of Shearer, Keegan and whoever else in place also in some capacity, depending what those roles are particularly if they are going to be footballing roles, they have to be compatible with whoever they want to appoint as manager too.

We have seen whilst here, our model of changing managers has worked very well, you also see that Liverpool and City have done the opposite with Klopp and Pep, investing in their project and ideas long term and they’ve built up in a way where they’ve followed a clear plan that gives them the opportunity for sustained success.

City in recent times are begrudgingly the perfect example really. Once Txiki Begiristain was appointed and Pellegrini came in, everyone and their dog could see they were building for Pep eventually and to have all the footballing infrastructure in place to give him the best chance of implementing everything he wanted.

Again you overthink things Bruce will be gone within days and weather it's a caretaker or permanent manager it will happen sooner rather than later. You don't think like football fan but journalist or blogger Newcastle fans already sing anti Bruce songs new owners hear this on Sunday especially if they are loosing and think we are bottom of league no buys till Jan and with bad atmosphere with Bruce in charge why would they keep him ? You can forget about sustaniable model this is completely different the top four are good but rest of the league is average they might not win league next year but top six is a shoe in they will be throwing money about like confetti.  

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Amanda Staveley, the Newcastle United director, is waiting for the green light from the club's new Saudi owners before sacking Steve Bruce.

from the times

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https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-premier-league-meeting-21841656

 

The hypocrasy here is pretty much astonishing tbh.

Two members of the super league plans in all.

Pathetic. Utd acting like theyve won it all using nothing but magic sickens me, 52 page thread they have on redcafe all whining like kids.

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The whining there is pretty pathetic. At the root of it is not a moral high ground, but fear that another club will attain the buying power they have for players.

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https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11678/12432840/newcastle-luis-campos-one-of-several-names-under-consideration-for-sporting-director-role

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20 hours ago, Jap Si. said:

Again you overthink things Bruce will be gone within days and weather it's a caretaker or permanent manager it will happen sooner rather than later. You don't think like football fan but journalist or blogger Newcastle fans already sing anti Bruce songs new owners hear this on Sunday especially if they are loosing and think we are bottom of league no buys till Jan and with bad atmosphere with Bruce in charge why would they keep him ? You can forget about sustaniable model this is completely different the top four are good but rest of the league is average they might not win league next year but top six is a shoe in they will be throwing money about like confetti.  

The fact every media outlet says they will not be making knee jerk decisions and they want to have director of football/sporting directors in place makes it blatantly obvious that it may take them another week or 2 weeks to even approach a manager.

I don’t think you see or understand the bigger picture point (which the group and Amanda Staveley have been discussing in the media) so I will just leave it at that. Your thinking it is like FIFA or FM where they will just go n throw £££ at it in fees and wages because they can which is idiotic. Like Anzhi did in Russia with Roberto Carlos, Zhirkov, Eto’o, Willian, Diarra, Samba etc. Without a plan it won’t work and I doubt they’re here to just throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks.

 

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2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

The fact every media outlet says they will not be making knee jerk decisions and they want to have director of football/sporting directors in place makes it blatantly obvious that it may take them another week or 2 weeks to even approach a manager.

I don’t think you see or understand the bigger picture point (which the group and Amanda Staveley have been discussing in the media) so I will just leave it at that. Your thinking it is like FIFA or FM where they will just go n throw £££ at it in fees and wages because they can which is idiotic. Like Anzhi did in Russia with Roberto Carlos, Zhirkov, Eto’o, Willian, Diarra, Samba etc. Without a plan it won’t work and I doubt they’re here to just throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks.

 

In the meantime i think the first team coach is taking the reigns, Well thats what the toons are saying anyway.

I dont really beleive the whole without a plan it wont work, worked fine for us to just chuck money at tim tiny and bob until we had some silver in the bag!!

Bit of a pointless argument tbh and i think most of us are there or there abouts

End of the day until they make some moves no one really knows what will happen!

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14 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

it blatantly obvious that it may take them another week or 2 weeks to even approach a manager.

That's ages isn't it 🤣. You have gone from saying it won't be knee jerk decision to one or two weeks. You know he's gone it's just a matter of days not weeks or months.  They will buy big in Jan like I say maybe not bee top players but certainly better then the dross they have they could be bottom of league by weekend and could be firmly rooted to bottom three in Jan the fans won't have Bruce remain as manager they hate him almost as much as they hated Ashley.

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They absolutly need to spend in january and bring in a good coach, If you look at their fixtures they could be dead and buried by jan either way!

What arte the rules on loans i cant remember!

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2 minutes ago, Warning_Hazard said:

In the meantime i think the first team coach is taking the reigns, Well thats what the toons are saying anyway.

I dont really beleive the whole without a plan it wont work, worked fine for us to just chuck money at tim tiny and bob until we had some silver in the bag!!

Bit of a pointless argument tbh and i think most of us are there or there abouts

End of the day until they make some moves no one really knows what will happen!

Well thats not exactly true. Aye in fact thats almost ludicrous. 

Prior to Roman and even Ranieri being the manager, we were pushing in the right direction. Look at our league finishes from the 96/97 season up to when Jose was appointed under Guillit, Vialli and Ranieri. 6th, 4th, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 6th, 4th and 2nd. Plus throw in the FA cups, UEFA Super Cup, UEFA Cup Winners Cup, League Cups etc won in that period.

Obviously Mourinho’s exceptional managerial skills and some of the big players we bought accelerated us to the back to back leagues but again you can’t say “we just threw money at it” like we were a team who were finishing in the bottom 10 of the PL table like Newcastle have done since Benitez took them back up. We were already in and around those teams. Maybe we wouldn’t have been as successful with Ranieri as were with Mourinho but you can’t just say we threw money at it as if it was unthinkable that we could have achieved something more based on the previous seasons.

Ironically once we just started throwing money at players like Shevchenko and Torres without really thinking about it, thats when things didn’t necessarily go too well.

2 minutes ago, Jap Si. said:

That's ages isn't it 🤣. You have gone from saying it won't be knee jerk decision to one or two weeks. You know he's gone it's just a matter of days not weeks or months.  They will buy big in Jan like I say maybe not bee top players but certainly better then the dross they have they could be bottom of league by weekend and could be firmly rooted to bottom three in Jan the fans won't have Bruce remain as manager they hate him almost as much as they hated Ashley.

So you’ve contradicted yourself, you said they would be throwing money around like its confetti? But now you think they wont buy top players? So what are they going to do? Make your mind up. 

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1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

Well thats not exactly true. Aye in fact thats almost ludicrous. 

Prior to Roman and even Ranieri being the manager, we were pushing in the right direction. Look at our league finishes from the 96/97 season up to when Jose was appointed under Guillit, Vialli and Ranieri. 6th, 4th, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 6th, 4th and 2nd. Plus throw in the FA cups, UEFA Super Cup, UEFA Cup Winners Cup, League Cups etc won in that period.

Obviously Mourinho’s exceptional managerial skills and some of the big players we bought accelerated us to the back to back leagues but again you can’t say “we just threw money at it” like we were a team who were finishing in the bottom 10 of the PL table like Newcastle have done since Benitez took them back up. We were already in and around those teams. Maybe we wouldn’t have been as successful with Ranieri as were with Mourinho but you can’t just say we threw money at it as if it was unthinkable that we could have achieved something more based on the previous seasons.

Ironically once we just started throwing money at players like Shevchenko and Torres without really thinking about it, thats when things didn’t necessarily go too well.

So you’ve contradicted yourself, you said they would be throwing money around like its confetti? But now you think they wont buy top players? So what are they going to do? Make your mind up. 

That was jap si!!

And we spent £111M quid to push on from 4th as ive stated and it took us 2 years.

Ofc newcastle will need time but this season aside theyre usually a solid prem club, they were decent under the fat waiter!

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47 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Well thats not exactly true. Aye in fact thats almost ludicrous. 

Prior to Roman and even Ranieri being the manager, we were pushing in the right direction. Look at our league finishes from the 96/97 season up to when Jose was appointed under Guillit, Vialli and Ranieri. 6th, 4th, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 6th, 4th and 2nd. Plus throw in the FA cups, UEFA Super Cup, UEFA Cup Winners Cup, League Cups etc won in that period.

Obviously Mourinho’s exceptional managerial skills and some of the big players we bought accelerated us to the back to back leagues but again you can’t say “we just threw money at it” like we were a team who were finishing in the bottom 10 of the PL table like Newcastle have done since Benitez took them back up. We were already in and around those teams. Maybe we wouldn’t have been as successful with Ranieri as were with Mourinho but you can’t just say we threw money at it as if it was unthinkable that we could have achieved something more based on the previous seasons.

Ironically once we just started throwing money at players like Shevchenko and Torres without really thinking about it, thats when things didn’t necessarily go too well.

So you’ve contradicted yourself, you said they would be throwing money around like its confetti? But now you think they wont buy top players? So what are they going to do? Make your mind up. 

They won't be able to get top bill players that is obvious but they will be spending loads of money in Jan and basically forever after. Once they get established witch won't take long cause the top four are streets ahead they will be top six at least 21/22 and then they will attract better players 

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This is just fun conspiracy theory time. It is possible, but ridiculously unlikely, that Newcastle could buy some good near top tier players in January. Then in the summer, with his buy out clause, get Haaland and pay him PSG wages or higher and still be within FFP. Ahhhhhh it is fun to put the tin foil hat on for a second. 

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24 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

This is just fun conspiracy theory time. It is possible, but ridiculously unlikely, that Newcastle could buy some good near top tier players in January. Then in the summer, with his buy out clause, get Haaland and pay him PSG wages or higher and still be within FFP. Ahhhhhh it is fun to put the tin foil hat on for a second. 

Though it seems FFP can be selectively applied now and then...

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2 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Though it seems FFP can be selectively applied now and then...

I have no idea how they calculate it now? However they do, I think PSG and City proves wages are not in the calculation.

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1 hour ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

I have no idea how they calculate it now? However they do, I think PSG and City proves wages are not in the calculation.

Yeah the wages seem to be not included -looking at this BBC explanation Financial fair play: All you need to know about how it works - BBC Sport

they also seem to make it up as they go along -deliberately obfuscating and changing the mechanisms. As soon as you see Platini overseeing things.... 'what could go wrong ?' springs to mind