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2 hours ago, Mana said:

I doubt United would even care to be honest (beat Liverpool). They got CL secured and they want players to be fresh for the EL final.

If we had beaten Arsenal, not only West Ham are out of the race but if Liverpool drop any points tonight - top 4 would have been secured regardless of Leicester and Villa.

See how stupid it was for TT to not put our strongest possible XI?

If we did the job last night and Pool drop points, THEN we can rest players after the FA Cup final for the CL final.

Now we MUST play our strongest XI at all costs until the end of the season. Stupid.

no excuses here, we should have started our strongest 11 against Arse, this is on Tuchel.

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Nope, it's all about the final this season. Yes missing Champions League isn't ideal but it's not the absolute catastrophe that it would be for teams like Liverpool because I think Roman will sti

I doubt United would even care to be honest (beat Liverpool). They got CL secured and they want players to be fresh for the EL final. If we had beaten Arsenal, not only West Ham are out of the ra

That was a horrid cross from CHO. Showing why he isn't playing. 

1 hour ago, Mana said:

Because 2nd place wasn't secured then, it was a small outside chance that we could have catched them and nicked it on the final day. Not anymore, it's impossible now for us or Leicester.

lol Do you really think they care about 2nd place? It's just extra money and nothing else as long as they finish in the Top 4.

But if you really want to talk about 2nd place, then Leicester can still catch them considering they are only 4 points behind United. 

1 hour ago, Mana said:

It's a bad thing because we are now approaching last chance saloon. Anymore dropped points, and if Pool and WH win all their games it's out of our hands. It's got to that point now.

 

1 hour ago, Mana said:

No, I'm speaking with logic here. The FA Cup gives us Europa League qualification, not CL qualification.

 

1 hour ago, Mana said:

Again, like I said above. It's in our own hands, but one more slip - done.

Seems like you have forgotten about the insurance policy of winning the Champions League.

1 hour ago, Mana said:

Certainly good enough for a draw, a win not sure. And we shouldn't go in to a "PL" final with a squad just good enough for a point.

At this point, I don't know if people just want to moan for the sake of moaning or are just being selective. The players that started yesterday were one of the reasons why we were able to drag ourselves back into the Top 4 from mid-table and get the club into 2 major cup finals. Those players have contributed to big wins over bigger or better teams than Arsenal and now people are saying they aren't good enough to beat Arsenal? 

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12 hours ago, DDA said:

The lack of VAR and then the lack of mentioning of the lack of VAR by everyone involved in tonight's coverage seems very iffy to me. There were 3 clear cut moments In the game that deserved an extensive VAR review.. 2 penalty claims and the hand ball.

Nothing said. 

Weird.

Mate this league has been corrupt for years and years, its just that now VAR has made it more obvious. TT must mention the BS, he must or he will suffer here and there.

So no VAR check at all and no mention of them either.....yeah we are hated and the league is bent, nothing new. Until we as a club open our mouths we will keep suffering.

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2012 is really here

 

 

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11 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

It seems that way.

Not one person will care if we win both the CL and FA cup, even if we were sitting 10th.

But two losses (WBA & tonight) when we are still pretty much in control of our own destiny and everyone loses their mind and starts thinking the “safe option” of regularly finishing top 4 is better than winning a European cup by the looks of it. 

Top clubs celebrate trophy wins not finishing 4th place I thought? Obviously still think we will manage the top 4 but if we miss out and win the CL it makes no difference anyway.

As Jason said, we aren’t Arsenal. Being satisfied with 4th place is settling for a near nothing achievement now a days for a club like us. Go have a look at Arsenal over the years as an example of what making top 4 or top 6 finishes as a major achievement gets you. Or Tottenham. 

Personally, Id rather see us win the CL and FA cup than lose both and finish 4th because its a massive achievement to win any sort of major double, especially one including the CL. Plus these younger or newer players with a few trophy wins its just the beginning, the Havertz, James, Mounts, Chilwells, Gilmours, Pulisics, Werners etc if they get a taste for winning the big trophies, it only aids their development and pushes this group on even more. Everyone in the media always says Man United need to win a trophy under Ole but this group here need it. 100%. Thats why not winning the FA cup or Super Cup last season was huge. It was the same with City winning that FA Cup and then their first PL then Pellegrini came in and then Pep but they’ve never really stopped winning in the last 10 years. This group has been refreshed and need the taste for it.

I still refuse to believe we’ve sacked the season off for 2 cup finals or underestimated anyone.... That starting 11 was more than good enough to beat Arsenal and probably compete v most teams we play. He said he wasn’t happy and what not but that team was good enough to win and with the chances we had still should have won.

Why does the contract length matter? Or no CL for that matter if it comes to it? Look at what no CL did for Antonio Conte in his first season. We aren’t going to sack someone who got us from 8/9th to in the running for the top 4 as well as 2 cup finals. Not only that but showing obvious huge signs of improvement, who wants to be a title contender next season. Plus he has an option for an additional year on his deal. And there were rumours that the the club apparently want to discuss new terms with him prior to the Madrid second leg. So aye, one loss v Arsenal wont change that. 

No, I certainly don't want us to become another Arsenal!

If we win the CL, I couldn't give a rats ass where we finish in the league. But, seeing that the final comes after the league has finishef, we cant afford to go into that game against a full strength City,  knowing we have to win it to get CL football.

After Leicester beating Utd, we should have gone all out to get top four by playing our strongest possible team and play the weakened side in the FA Cup Final. We now find ourselves likely having to play our strongest sides against both Leicester and Villa, while City have the luxuary of being able to rest players.

TT cocked up bigtime last night, but at least he's admitted he made a mistake with selection.

 

 

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This is very strange season to us , no matter how it ends .

We beat City , Liverpool and Tottenham away but WBA scores 8 goals against us ,  Arsenal beat us   twice .

Before 3 month with Lampard  this team was 8 or 9   but now we can finish with double or with nothing of course  .

Strange season for sure .

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45 minutes ago, chippy said:

After Leicester beating Utd, we should have gone all out to get top four by playing our strongest possible team and play the weakened side in the FA Cup Final. 

And this type of rewarding failure is exactly why the much maligned super league came about.

46 minutes ago, chippy said:

After Leicester beating Utd, we should have gone all out to get top four by playing our strongest possible team and play the weakened side in the FA Cup Final. We now find ourselves likely having to play our strongest sides against both Leicester and Villa, while City have the luxuary of being able to rest players.

I really hope they do rest their star players between now and the final, a City team lacking match practice suits us perfectly.

Unfortunately however Pep won't be that stupid.

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

And this type of rewarding failure is exactly why the much maligned super league came about.

I really hope they do rest their star players between now and the final, a City team lacking match practice suits us perfectly.

Unfortunately however Pep won't be that stupid.

Re rewarding failure.

Would you take  no CL but winning the FA Cup, over finishing 4th?

This season I would take 4th all day long! However, if we went say 5 or 6 years without a trophy, then I would definitely take either domestic Cup over finishing 4th.

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15 minutes ago, chippy said:

Re rewarding failure.

Would you take  no CL but winning the FA Cup, over finishing 4th?

This season I would take 4th all day long! However, if we went say 5 or 6 years without a trophy, then I would definitely take either domestic Cup over finishing 4th.

I would take the FA Cup and take my chances on the CL final, no risk, no reward.

Maybe I'm being too idealistic but it's too Arsenal for my liking to settle for 4th (and it's a hard habit to break once you settle into it, even the biggest club in the country have fallen into the trap and are currently bragging about being home and dry), don't get me wrong I hope we get it but I just can't subscribe to treating it like I would a title race. The only time I did have the nerves like I do for a title bid for a top four race was 2003 and that was only because our future was likely at stake.

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what a shit goalkeeper henderson is btw. fucked up every other shot on target, gifted them the deciding goal and for the final salah counter just completely chilled on hisline for salah to  pass it in. not his fault but could not made it easier for the diver either.

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