The Tuchel Thread

[Jase 43,479]

10 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

He just said we have had horrible decisions against us - 3 clear penalties

Should have gone full Mourinho.

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,332]

4 hours ago, Jas said:

Should have gone full Mourinho.

 

Jose Arrogantio.(paul whitehouse) compilation - YouTube

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16 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

He just said we have had horrible decisions against us - 3 clear penalties

I fucking loved it, mentioned it post match and post match conference....he had to, he utterly had to, shit wont get done unless you open your mouth.

[R2D2 368]

Unpopular opinion here but I kinda hope Tuchel moves to a back four next season, I want to see us create havoc more in attack and we have the means to do it especially if we get a wide player like Sancho or in his mold.

Edited May 21, 2021 by R2D2

[Vesper 30,218]

On 19/05/2021 at 14:46, Fulham Broadway said:

Jose Arrogantio.(paul whitehouse) compilation - YouTube

girl mouth technology, roflmaooooooo

[Fulham Broadway 17,332]

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

girl mouth technology, roflmaooooooo

''I think the referee miss it, he must be playing with his penis or something...''

[Jase 43,479]

6 hours ago, R2D2 said:

Unpopular opinion here but I kinda hope Tuchel moves to a back four next season, I want to see us create havoc more in attack and we have the means to do it especially if we get a wide player like Sancho or in his mold.

Only problem is half of the squad is unsuited to playing the back 4.

[Jase 43,479]

lol Tuchel...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/22/thomas-tuchel-ready-risk-key-players-maintain-chelseas-momentum

The German also gave an interesting answer when asked if he remembered where he was when Chelsea last played in a Champions League final – their 2012 victory over Bayern Munich. “I think I was in Munich at home and watched it on TV,” he said. “Let’s say it was not absolutely well deserved. It felt more like a burglary.”

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

On 21/05/2021 at 13:33, Jas said:

Only problem is half of the squad is unsuited to playing the back 4.

I've always kept saying, you can easily play a 3-4-3 super offensive. Have the outer centrebacks play more of a hybrid role and play wingers in the wing back positions. TT has done so with Pulisic and CHO there before. Pep has done so too, playing guys like Sane and ferran torres effectively in the wing back positions. Gives you 2 wingers and 2 no.10s which should be enough offensive emergence. The wingers are prone to make mistakes in defence but if you have 80% of the ball anyway what does it matter.

[NikkiCFC 8,334]

 

2 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

I've always kept saying, you can easily play a 3-4-3 super offensive. Have the outer centrebacks play more of a hybrid role and play wingers in the wing back positions. TT has done so with Pulisic and CHO there before. Pep has done so too, playing guys like Sane and ferran torres effectively in the wing back positions. Gives you 2 wingers and 2 no.10s which should be enough offensive emergence. The wingers are prone to make mistakes in defence but if you have 80% of the ball anyway what does it matter.

I agree. 343 is most suited for us. So why change? But very often we win games with some wonder goal or set piece or penalty... Defense in perfect but offensive part must be much better.

Tuchel has to be less pragmatic. We saw in basically every game that CHO offers much more offensively then James but he picks the later because he is so pragmatic and because of the wrong reasons, it is just not worth it.

Mount is MF and I would not call his position number 10 under Tuchel. It is something between number 10 and a winger. I am sure if you look at heatmaps he plays pretty much the same role as Willian.  But Tuchel does not expect the same from him as from other 2 attackers. Kai or Puli if do not deliver in the final 3rd in terms of goals in one game after previous good game are instantly on the bench. Very high standard. But Mount for example now has 3 games in a row with absolutely nothing but still he will start last two games. Why? Because Tuchel picks him every time for pragmatic reasons not related to input in the final 3rd. When we start with James, Chilwell and Mount I say we have 9 defensive players and just 2 offensive (which has to deliver if not, they are dropped). But if we go with lets say Pulisic, Werner, Havertz as front 3 and CHO as RWB that is 4 attacking players. So I really hope for next season we go with the later because I dont think in the long run we can survive with this. City always have 5 players on the pitch who could do danger.

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1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

 

I agree. 343 is most suited for us. So why change? But very often we win games with some wonder goal or set piece or penalty... Defense in perfect but offensive part must be much better.

The shape itself is a bit pragmatic. It has 5 central players as part of a defensive wall off-the ball and with full backs dropping deep too. I think we will see Tuchel switching to a 4-2-4 type attacking formation. I will be surprised if this isn't the case.

[Jase 43,479]

9 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

I've always kept saying, you can easily play a 3-4-3 super offensive. Have the outer centrebacks play more of a hybrid role and play wingers in the wing back positions. TT has done so with Pulisic and CHO there before. Pep has done so too, playing guys like Sane and ferran torres effectively in the wing back positions. Gives you 2 wingers and 2 no.10s which should be enough offensive emergence. The wingers are prone to make mistakes in defence but if you have 80% of the ball anyway what does it matter.

This may work in the odd game or two but it's never going to work consistently successfully because at the end of the day, Pulisic and CHO aren't wingbacks. We would just be putting square pegs in round holes. Not even Guardiola has done something as crazy as that consistently and even if he did manage to make it work, the one big difference between City and us is that they are far more comfortable in possession than us. We may dominate games in terms of having more possession but we aren't that good in possession based football. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

No matter what happens Saturday, we do not extend his 18 month contract until the 2nd half of next season. 

[Milan 17,959]

Took us from 10th to finishing 4th. This has to be credited. Yes, we lost the final game but he gave us the chance to fight for the top 4 after that Lampard fiasco. And we did it. With luck. Again. Just like last season when Leicester did the impossible and failed to finish the job. So whatever happens now, he gave us the CL for next season.

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1 minute ago, Milan said:

Took us from 10th to finishing 4th. This has to be credited. Yes, we lost the final game but he gave us the chance to fight for the top 4 after that Lampard fiasco. And we did it. With luck. Again. Just like last season when Leicester did the impossible and failed to finish the job. So whatever happens now, he gave us the CL for next season.

Yup agree, we would have been relegated under Franky. Next season he knows the league better, players as well, we will go big in transfers........but in the end as long as refs are like this you dont really have much chance. You will get fucked especially Chels

[Laylabelle 9,536]

1 minute ago, Mana said:

Yes but we got 4th by a hair. This should have been avoided if we had beaten Arsenal.

Chopping and changing (in addition to continue playing Jorginho) killed our momentum. Losing to Villa won't change what happens next week, but not any of us would be confident going in to it.

Terrible, terrible end of the season (yet again, 2 seasons in a row) UNLESS we win the CL.

That's it. Feel a bit deflated. Don't know why. It doesnt feel like a gain in a way..maybe cause we lost and got lucky? If we lose both finals still will feel shite. And we finished below Liverpool who were behind for so long. The performance didn't inspire at all.. lots of things to address 

[Milan 17,959]

2 minutes ago, Mana said:

Terrible, terrible end of the season (yet again, 2 seasons in a row) UNLESS we win the CL.

Wonder how you would react had Leicester actually did their job.

You are saying this should have been avoided if we had beaten Arsenal. Leicester have also a sentence like this. Ifs and buts right now.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Jorginho has played well this season - he is a limited player no doubt. He just lost form in the end and we don’t have a whole lot of options in the middle. Kante has been struggling with injuries and kova has been out forever (very rusty now).

Tuchel has done a great job turning the season around and especially finding a formation that better fits the players we’ve got.

the one thing I worry is that he does not seem to have a plan against low defense lines. 

Edited May 23, 2021 by robsblubot

[DDA 9,941]

If our fans wanted a manager who shows passion...

We have our man.

Did you see him going bizurk on the touchline today.

I love that.

 

[Jase 43,479]

Maybe I'll have a different reaction when we lose next weekend but as much as it'll hurt to lose the Champions League final now, not sure if we should be using to judge Tuchel. No one could have imagined us getting into the final this season, with the state of this current squad.

Losing the FA Cup is the most infuriating one because that's the most winnable cup out of the two and we fucked it up, even more so after we saw the lineup and performance against the same team in midweek.