closed Chelsea 1-3 Man City

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1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

The day Lampard actually plays a 442 will be the day I’ll agree with you.

Havertz as a CAM can be as effective as a 442 given he works best close to a striker. 

Anyway we haven't seen yet the 2 players for whom the club breaks its piggy. They are not good but you still prefer they play one of the most important game of the season. I' dont believe players who've been so poor than the two germans showed us recently, may be raised from the dead by playing big games, these guys need time, not pression and if they weren't called Werner and Havertz and did'nt coast so much money you'd be the first to want them to be on the bench. 

[Laylabelle 9,534]

Just now, Mana said:

Most people here saw that Arsenal result coming though. It’s not like we were decent prior to the game.

We saw it coming. Arsenal fans and others didn't seem to. For some reason..

I dont expect much from this tbh but if we can at least have a shot before the last 80. Least aim for a win. Arsenal was like we just turned up and was taken by surprise.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

The day Lampard actually plays a 442 will be the day I’ll agree with you. Also, virtually everyone has been gash. A change is needed. 

Havertz as a CAM can be as effective as a 442 given he works best close to a striker. 

We did play a variation of 442 in our season opener with RLC in the Havertz position 

[MoroccanBlue 5,379]

19 minutes ago, MONEYBALL said:

Anyway we haven't seen yet the 2 players for whom the club breaks its piggy. They are not good but you still prefer they play one of the most important game of the season. I' dont believe players who've been so poor than the two germans showed us recently, may be raised from the dead by playing big games, these guys need time, not pression and if they weren't called Werner and Havertz and did'nt coast so much money you'd be the first to want them to be on the bench. 

I’d like us to play our two biggest players in their strongest positions? How’s this hard to grasp? Or should we still persist with the same tactical nonsense we’ve seen the past 6 games? 

[Special Juan 28,133]

We can start with the same formation or different, it won't matter fuck all if the attitude is still the same shite as we have seen for weeks.

If we are to get anything out of this game the first thing on the team sheet is desire.

[MONEYBALL 20]

10 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I’d like us to play our two biggest players in their strongest positions? How’s this hard to grasp? Or should we still persist with the same tactical nonsense we’ve seen the past 6 games? 

Our 2 most expensive players, we are not in a virtual game, you seem to forget it's on the piotch and not in tha amount of your transfert,  footballers must demonstrate they are the "bigger players". And this excuse of position can't explain their mediocrity, too easy.

[MoroccanBlue 5,379]

3 minutes ago, MONEYBALL said:

Our 2 most expensive players, we are not in a virtual game, you seem to forget it's on the piotch and not in tha amount of your transfert,  footballers must demonstrate they are the "bigger players".

And “managers” do everything necessary to fully utilise their strongest assets. All we’ve seen is square pegs/round holes and you expect us to be contempt with such clueless tactics? Here’s an idea, if it’s not working, change it. God forbid we see Werner on the wing and our most expensive signing ever not utilized at all. All more evidence Lampard doesn’t have a clue. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

My feeling is, this game will be different to our last 5.

We are gonna have more space, create lots of chances but as usual fail to make the most of them and probably end up with a close loss despite an overall more than decent performance. Not sure if that is tolerable. We can not realistically expect to win vs such a superior side but stranger things have happened.

[MoroccanBlue 5,379]

1 minute ago, Magic Lamps said:

My feeling is, this game will be different to our last 5.

We are gonna have more space, create lots of chances but as usual fail to make the most of them and probably end up with a close loss despite an overall more than decent performance. Not sure if that is tolerable. We can not realistically expect to win vs such a superior side but stranger things have happened.

As good as 3 points is, performance to me is more important than the result. 
 

We need to see some signs of progression and a tactical aptitude from Lampard. 

[Special Juan 28,133]

Let me tell you, if Havertz starts this on the bench then it's a bigger issue than people think other than Havertz fitness, it will be clear there is an issue with him and FL.

Personally, from what I have seen since he arrived I think he's a fucking lazy twat.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

4 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Let me tell you, if Havertz starts this on the bench then it's a bigger issue than people think other than Havertz fitness, it will be clear there is an issue with him and FL.

Personally, from what I have seen since he arrived I think he's a fucking lazy twat.

He is definitely not lazy. He just lacks a natural drive. He tracks runners up until our own penalty box at times. He just has not the inner urge to do so all game.

also he obviously is low on confidence. People also underestimate what Covid can do to your body. A colleague of mine used to be fit as the butcher's dog, contracted void and is all but a shadow now. Lost serious muscle mass and can not run on a treadmill for even a few minutes.

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15 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

And “managers” do everything necessary to fully utilise their strongest assets. All we’ve seen is square pegs/round holes and you expect us to be contempt with such clueless tactics? Here’s an idea, if it’s not working, change it. God forbid we see Werner on the wing and our most expensive signing ever not utilized at all. 

I hope Lamp 'll change his system, i don't believe in yours but if he decided to play as you 'd like and we loose because Werner and Havertz are still shit, at least it would put an end to this wrong diagnosis, they don't struggle because their positions on the sheet game.. Regardind Lamp, i can't disagree with you, he's an emblematic character but a poor manager.

[Special Juan 28,133]

1 minute ago, Magic Lamps said:

He is definitely not lazy. He just lacks a natural drive. He tracks runners up until our own penalty box at times. He just has not the inner urge to do so all game.

also he obviously is low on confidence. People also underestimate what Covid can do to your body. A colleague of mine used to be fit as the butcher's dog, contracted void and is all but a shadow now. Lost serious muscle mass and can not run on a treadmill for even a few minutes.

he was shit before COVID

[Vesper 30,121]

I am so dreading this game

it has a true thrashing written all over it

[Laylabelle 9,534]

27 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

As good as 3 points is, performance to me is more important than the result. 
 

We need to see some signs of progression and a tactical aptitude from Lampard. 

Problem is we step forwards..then take giant leaps back. If we win this it needs to be the start of a decent run. Not a blip in our poor one